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travisjhall
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 08 July 2005 08:49
Torsten, I didn't say it was your fault. I know you have done the right thing, consistently throughout the tournament. I said you seem to have had more problems with scheduling, not that you have caused more problems. You've had a bit of bad luck in that regard, having been drawn against a player who could not be PMed. (And one of the things I feel I have been remiss about is recognising that such players exist and doing something about it.)

I'm just saying that since you are worried about scheduling, it might help to alleviate those worries if you get a head start on scheduling for the next round. Please, I am trying to see the last of this tournament proceed as smoothly as possible and with as few forfeitures as possible, for the best enjoyment of all. I hope you will join me in that.
      
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 08 July 2005 08:56
tjandjahall écrit le Fri, 08 July 2005 04:28

léachris wrote on Fri, 08 July 2005 00:57


Vinz and I decided to organize this tournament and we accepted tjandjahall as a tournament director but now, he doesn't respect what we decided and what he said Confused Confused

I wrote, earlier

Otherwise, I may allow extra time to complete a match, but I am unlikely to do this unless the players have scheduled to play within a fairly short timespan.


I didn't understand it would move forward the beginning of each subsequent round.

tjandjahall écrit le Fri, 08 July 2005 04:28


I believe this tournament can be finished before the 16th, even with the delays caused by scheduling difficulties. Even if I am wrong about that, at the very worst the two finalists will be confirmed by then and should be able to schedule a mutually-compatible future time to play which will not inconvenience any other players (because there won't be any).
OK
tjandjahall écrit le Fri, 08 July 2005 04:28



Torsten, your suggestion concerning set playing times for tournament matches is a good one for certain types of tournament, but not for others. What we have to remember is that this is an international, online playing venue. I am in Australia. Some players are in Europe. I may be guessing incorrectly, but I thought some players were in North America. That means that whatever time to set for a play round, somebody is going to wind up playing either in the wee hours of the morning or in the middle of the day. Assuming most of us have some other commitments in our lives, this is impractical.

So, that style of scheduling is probably workable if the aim is a regional tournament, but not if you want to run a tournament which is truely open to all - which was the stated aim for this tournament.


Did you take an active interest in this tournament ????

Except thaddäus ( which is one of the most available here Wink )there are only europeans in this tournament
tjandjahall écrit le Fri, 08 July 2005 04:28

As for future tournaments... I've received positive feedback concerning the running of this tournament from most who had a comment to make, until now, so I am likely to step up and run another tournament.


good luck to find players !! I brought here most of them Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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That said, I feel my handling of this tournament has been inadequate in certain aspects - mistranscribing two results most notably


I agree
Torsten écrit le Fri, 08 July 2005 07:34

yes, you're right it is my fault

When I read this from tjandjahall
"You seem to have had more scheduling problems than anybody else, with that kerfuffle over contacting alektacrome."

I should give forfeit next round. Good luck for my opponent in the final.



No torsten, stay, I'd be glad to meet you in finals Wink

Only PLAYERS are important in a tournament, not the tournament director
tjandjahall écrit le Wed, 15 June 2005 09:57



One of the advantages of having a tournament director is, if things go badly wrong and everybody winds up hating the director, the director can step aside and a new director can be appointed, without destroying the tournament entirely.


Cu in finals torsten Wink

[Updated on: Fri, 08 July 2005 08:58]

      
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 08 July 2005 09:21
léachris wrote on Fri, 08 July 2005 16:56

I didn't understand it would move forward the beginning of each subsequent round.

A player cannot play the fourth round until his or her third round match is resolved. There's no reason to delay the rest of the fourth round, though.

léachris wrote on Fri, 08 July 2005 16:56

No torsten, stay, I'd be glad to meet you in finals Wink

Only PLAYERS are important in a tournament, not the tournament director

Well said, Léa.
      
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 08 July 2005 09:59
léachris :

If I organize another tournament (which is not sure at all), I'll direct it myself, except if someone prefers tjandjahall's way to do !

I'd prefer tjandjahall's way to do.


- He's trying to be rigorous, and that's definitely to be expected from a tournament director. He set rules from the start, which allows you to question their application.


- He's impartial, I have no doubt on that. I wouldn't expect you or any of the big shots here to be that impartial, you're all too involved. Speaking of which, he's wise enough to stay out of the tournament. Would you?


- He made mistakes, but he acknowledged them. He apparently thought of ways to avoid them in future tournaments too.

I don't believe the scheduling problems are entirely his fault. It's always a tough call when players can't play their games before the end of the round. Is there only a right decision to be made at that time?

I think the round durations are too short. Each round should be at least one week long, which includes a week-end, which allows more easily to schedule matches between people at opposite sides of the globe. Another lesson learned.


- He's got experience with various kinds of tournaments and that will be useful if we want to use swiss draw or something else (which apparently we do).


- It's not about the popularity of the director. As you said, the director is secondary. It's also a different thing to organize a tournament and to direct it. I'm not really part of the clique here but I'd rather join a tournament that looks like it's going to be fair than a tournament that's approved by the big shots for political reasons. Otherwise I wouldn't have been in the open tournament Wink I'd like to see less drama in the tournies' organisation.
      
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 08 July 2005 10:39
Quote:

(Yes, Peter, I said "one or both". Torsten is correct in his implication that the tournament cannot wait any longer past the deadline I gave, so if you have something to say about it, you should send me a PM before that deadline.)


I agree with both of you, Tjandjahall and Torsten. This tournament should develop orderly and within certain time limits. Although I would really like to play the match against LotusArdent, I'm with every decision you make.

But I do have the feeling that some players who entered this tournament were not very serious about it. If you don't have enough time to play the matches, then DON'T sign up. It is highly disappointing when your opponent cannot play and you'll get the win because of a forfeiture. There's no fun in that.
Of course there are always circumstances that suddenly make it impossible for someone to play, but this is not the first time in this tournament that someone drops out. Sad

So far I still haven't heard from LotusArdent. You'll hear from me by PM later this day, Tjandjahall.

D.I.S.
      
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Tjandjahall For President Fri, 08 July 2005 10:50
RedPEPPER :

I'd prefer tjandjahall's way to do.


I agree with RedPEPPER. Tjandjahall works his butt off to make this tournament work and all he gets is criticism. So far he does an exellent job. And what happens when certains players don't agree with his way of working... they threaten to leave the tournament! How unsportingly!

Quit your whining and work with Tjandjahall a little more willingly. It's not easy for a tournament director to keep everybody happy! Show some more sympathy!

D.I.S.

[Updated on: Fri, 08 July 2005 10:51]

      
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 08 July 2005 14:22
To tjandjahall:
A big sorry for my misunderstoodness form your words. I really think you make a great job dispite the problems Smile


To Peter:
That was my first statement: There are players who entered this tournament were not very serious about it. So I agree to you with these words.
But I don't agree to you I want to give forfeit because of my unagreement with tjandjahall's way of working. I misinterpreted his words that was the reason and I write an apologizes now.


To léa:
For a tournament director it is difficult to organize during the players aren't behaving seriously. Of course not everything was working fine, but the problem is not the director.


Tournament planing:
My opinion still is to make fix dates and times. I agree to redPEPPER that the time between the rounds in this tournament was too short. The hint about the time zones in an international tournament is a problem to solve.

My new suggestion:
- make fix dates and times for players in the same time zone, example:
1. round on saturday 20 o'clock CET, EAST, CST +/-1 hour
2. round on saturday 20 o'clock CET, EAST, CST +/-1 hour

- When the players arenot in the same time zone (+/-1 hour), they have to make an appointment for playing the round. It is difficult to find a playing time.

- So the round result have to send to the director for example sunday evening from both players.

      
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 08 July 2005 14:46
redPEPPER écrit le Fri, 08 July 2005 09:59

léachris :

If I organize another tournament (which is not sure at all), I'll direct it myself, except if someone prefers tjandjahall's way to do !

I'd prefer tjandjahall's way to do.


you don't know my way to do !
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- He's trying to be rigorous, and that's definitely to be expected from a tournament director. He set rules from the start, which allows you to question their application.

he set rules that he changes afterwards.
3 days for the second round become 8 days, 7 days for the second become 9 . stop joking !
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- He's impartial, I have no doubt on that. I wouldn't expect you or any of the big shots here to be that impartial, you're all too involved. Speaking of which, he's wise enough to stay out of the tournament. Would you?



he doesn't want to play; that's all !

rek is directing a tournament, he's respected and all goes very well.
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- He made mistakes, but he acknowledged them.


not all, he asked grolapinos why he didn't point the mistake earlier.

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I don't believe the scheduling problems are entirely his fault. It's always a tough call when players can't play their games before the end of the round. Is there only a right decision to be made at that time?
I don't blame him for scheduling problems but for changing the rules...
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I think the round durations are too short. Each round should be at least one week long, which includes a week-end,
in your next tournament , do it the way you want !

we explained at the very beginning the problem of duration, did you read it ?
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which allows more easily to schedule matches between people at opposite sides of the globe.


untrue !!!
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- It's not about the popularity of the director. As you said, the director is secondary. It's also a different thing to organize a tournament and to direct it.
but to get players, you need a minimum of popularity, be serious !
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I'm not really part of the clique here but I'd rather join a tournament that looks like it's going to be fair than a tournament that's approved by the big shots for political reasons.


stop joking!
it's vinz and me who organized it and decided a random draw and wanted anybody to be able to join .
and you signed in BEFORE we accepted a tournament director

read and remember before criticizing !!!

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Otherwise I wouldn't have been in the open tournament Wink I'd like to see less drama in the tournies' organisation.

you can join the next one : there will be at least one player !!!

[Updated on: Fri, 08 July 2005 14:58]

      
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Quarter Final Result - D.I.S. vs. LotusArdent Fri, 08 July 2005 17:00
Match 1
LotusArdent defeated Peter de Zeeuw (117-82)
Match 2
Peter de Zeeuw defeated LotusArdent (115-104)
Match 3
Peter de Zeeuw defeated LotusArdent (118-103)
Match 4
Peter de Zeeuw defeated LotusArdent (89-73)
Match 5
Peter de Zeeuw defeated LotusArdent (116-96)

Lotus played well, but was insecure about his self. Too bad. First match I lost. I can't remember how it went. I only remember the fourth match. It was a Hardcore Match! Lotus accidentally took away my chance to complete Montreal-New Orleans so as soon I a saw he needed LA-Miami I started to block the dude and went out as soon as possible. Lucky me.

Match 4 screenshot (this time with ALT-Print Screen Wink )

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4834/disvslotusardent9wc.th.jpg

So now... the semi-finals... Exciting! Woohoo! Razz

D.I.S.
      
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 08 July 2005 17:11
léachris :

you don't know my way to do !

I know some things about you. Sorry if this ruffles your feathers, this is not to criticize you, I'm just developing my point. So no offense intended.
- I guessed you'd direct and participate. As I said I don't find it appropriate.
- You used more exclamation marks than sentences in your post! Surprised That and other hints give the impression that you're hyper and hot-tempered. While these are fun qualities for a person, they are undesireable for a tournament director.
- You're too much into the board politics. Not a problem in itself, but a problem of partiality for a tournament director.
- You don't take criticism well and tend to take things personally and the wrong way, as demonstrated in your post. Again, not necessarily a problem for a person, but it is for a director.

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he set rules that he changes afterwards.
3 days for the second round become 8 days, 7 days for the second become 9 . stop joking !

My point is, the fact that the rules are there allows everybody to see that. It's transparent and verifiable.

There's a problem with the time frames indeed. The problems occured because players could not meet the time frames. As a solution the director chose to give players more time, which I agree with you is not fair to the original rules. It hurt the tournament's credibility a lot, though it allowed the matches to actually be completed by playing rather than by forfeit. Hopefully the consequences of that won't be too bad and we can all live and learn: longer time frames!

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- He's impartial, I have no doubt on that. I wouldn't expect you or any of the big shots here to be that impartial, you're all too involved. Speaking of which, he's wise enough to stay out of the tournament. Would you?



he doesn't want to play; that's all !

rek is directing a tournament, he's respected and all goes very well.

Whether he wants to play or not is irrelevant. What is important is that he does not play. That's practically a given for tournament credibility. Decisions will need to be made and it's better if the director is impartial.

Good for rek that he didn't have to make a hard call. But put yourself in tjandjahall's situation: you can extend a timeline, or forfeit a player, or both. Possibly you like, or dislike one of them... The situation is not a clean cut and you'll have to answer of your decision to other players of the tournament in which you are involved... This spells disaster.

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Quote:

- He made mistakes, but he acknowledged them.


not all, he asked grolapinos why he didn't point the mistake earlier.

You read what you want to read. The first thing he said to grolapinos was:
You are quite correct. My most abject apologies.
Only in the second paragraph does he ask grolapinos why the delay. And he ends that paragraph with:
No matter. This was entirely my error.
So you're not being fair when you say he did not acknowledge that mistake. He clearly did.

See? You make mistakes too Wink


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I don't blame him for scheduling problems but for changing the rules...

The change of rules was due to the scheduling problems, if I'm not mistaken. I agree with you that it was a bad decision though. In his defense the alternative (forfeits) was bad too (but arguably better).

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I think the round durations are too short. Each round should be at least one week long, which includes a week-end,
in your next tournament , do it the way you want !

we explained at the very beginning the problem of duration, did you read it ?

This is an example of you taking things personally and the wrong way. I'm not blaming you for choosing the short time frames. We players agreed with it, we tried it, it failed. Let's learn from that for next time.

Quote:

Quote:

which allows more easily to schedule matches between people at opposite sides of the globe.


untrue !!!

I understand you mean that in this tournament there were not people from all over the world. So let me clarify that my points are about future tournaments, based on what we can learn from this tournament. I was not talking about this particular tournament when I mentioned worldwide participation.

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- It's not about the popularity of the director. As you said, the director is secondary. It's also a different thing to organize a tournament and to direct it.
but to get players, you need a minimum of popularity, be serious !

I acknowledge that, though I don't think it's a good thing. Between a popular tournament and a fair one I'd rather have the fair one. But I'm talking to the person who created this tournament because she thought that the other one was not fair enough, so surely you understand Wink

Now, unfortunately, the big shots can agree to boycott a tournament, which would hurt its credibility, so it's better to have a popular AND fair tournament Smile Let's work on that!

I can't convince the big shots with popularity, I can only try to convince by making sensible points.

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Quote:

I'm not really part of the clique here but I'd rather join a tournament that looks like it's going to be fair than a tournament that's approved by the big shots for political reasons.


stop joking!
it's vinz and me who organized it and decided a random draw and wanted anybody to be able to join .
and you signed in BEFORE we accepted a tournament director

read and remember before criticizing !!!

This is constructive criticism. I'm trying to work towards better tournies. I'm not judging past ones, I'm learning from them.

For the record, my previous post is more a praise of tjandjahall's qualities as a director than a critique of you or the contest system.

About me joining both tournies since I've been here, I'd do it again. It allows me to play big shots, I can raise my rank Very Happy, I learn about tournies, I learn about people... But there's room for improvement so I can point that out. And I don't see my participation as a "vote" for a specific system over another. I'm just tolerent of a fair level of imperfection because I take this less seriously than others, maybe.

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Otherwise I wouldn't have been in the open tournament Wink I'd like to see less drama in the tournies' organisation.

you can join the next one : there will be at least one player !!!


Speaking of drama...
      
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Re:Open tournament Sat, 09 July 2005 05:19
The result of Peter de Zeeuw and LotusArdent's match is confirmed. Peter de Zeeuw is the winner. Thus, we have:

Round 4 Draw
1. thaddäus vs Léachris
2. torsten vs Peter de Zeeuw


Torsten, thank you for accepting my explanation of my statements and continuing the tournament. I think that's better for the tournament than the alternative.

As for the rest, I don't think it is a good idea to argue about tournament organisation in this thread while the tournament is still in progress. Thank you to those who have defended my decisions and/or attitude, but let's remember that Léachris is still a player in the tournament as well as one of the original organisers. When the tournament is over, we can do a postmortem on the organisation in a new thread. That is likely to be less heated and more constructive, and less likely to spoil the tournament further for the remaining participants.
      
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Re:Open tournament Sat, 09 July 2005 09:28
Peter and I make an appointment for the next round:

We play our matches next Wednesday the 13th evening. It's the only time Peter is able to do because unfortunately he has a busy schedule this week.

For me it is not a problem to play the final a day or two later. But maybe Peter will win Shocked
      
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Re:Open tournament Sat, 09 July 2005 10:21
Torsten wrote on Sat, 09 July 2005 17:28

We play our matches next Wednesday the 13th evening.

Ouch. That'll be cutting it mighty close to Léa's travel plans. If she wins her semi-final, there will only be two days to play the final - plenty of time if real life doesn't get in the way for either player, but potentially a problem if somebody is busy during that short period.

I know that Léa wanted to have this tournament done before she headed home, and she has made it known well in advance that she would be leaving on Saturday. Unfortunately delays in a schedule with little leeway are threatening to make holding the final match difficult. I believe it would be quite unfair to put Léa in a position where she would have to forfeit, and a very unsatisfying outcome for the tournament in general.

So, before the matter becomes a real issue, I would like to say that I do not wish to accept a forfeit in the final should Léa make it. Regardless of whether a lengthy delay would ensue, I would wish to postpone the final until a time when it can be played. As it would be the final, no other matches would be delayed, so I wouldn't expect problems to arise.

Does anybody disagree with me here? Most importantly, do Peter, Torsten and Léa agree? (Thaddäus, while you are still a player in the tournament, you won't meet Léa in the final, whatever happens.)

Léa, Saturday isn't gone forever, is it? You will be back at some stage, won't you?
      
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Re:Open tournament Sat, 09 July 2005 18:42
I want Léa to play the final if she makes it. She a good player and she deserves a decent chance to play it, no matter if it will be against me or Torsten. Smile

Good luck!

D.I.S.
      
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Re:Open tournament Sat, 09 July 2005 19:52
Dear lea,

no matter where I live, I will always be european! Wink

Dear Peter,

are you afraid to meet me in the finals?

Dear Torsten,

hope to meet you in the finals! Wink

Dear tjandjahall,

I am very glad about the organisation of the tournament.

cu soon

thad
      
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Re:Open tournament Sat, 09 July 2005 20:28
thaddäus écrit le Sat, 09 July 2005 19:52

Dear lea,

no matter where I live, I will always be european! Wink



sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry thad !

you know what I meant, don't you ?

It was a european tournament

and if you win in semi-finals, please win in final so that a woman is the winner Laughing Laughing Laughing

WOMEN'S POWER

cu in the women's tournament Wink

      
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Re:Open tournament Sun, 10 July 2005 10:12
redPEPPER écrit le Fri, 08 July 2005 17:11

I know some things about you. Sorry if this ruffles your feathers, this is not to criticize you, I'm just developing my point. So no offense intended.
- I guessed you'd direct and participate. As I said I don't find it appropriate.



That was planed BEFORE you join; why did you join ?
redPEPPER écrit le Fri, 08 July 2005 17:11

- You used more exclamation marks than sentences in your post! Surprised That and other hints give the impression that you're hyper and hot-tempered. While these are fun qualities for a person, they are undesireable for a tournament director.

Yew knew it before you join; why did you join ?
redPEPPER écrit le Fri, 08 July 2005 17:11

- You're too much into the board politics. Not a problem in itself, but a problem of partiality for a tournament director.


If the rules are clear and respected by the tournament director , where is the problem of partiality ?

redPEPPER écrit le Fri, 08 July 2005 17:11

- You don't take criticism well and tend to take things personally and the wrong way, as demonstrated in your post. Again, not necessarily a problem for a person, but it is for a director.

If there is no mistake, there is no criticism.
redPEPPER écrit le Fri, 08 July 2005 17:11

léachris:

he set rules that he changes afterwards.
3 days for the second round become 8 days, 7 days for the second become 9 . stop joking !

My point is, the fact that the rules are there allows everybody to see that. It's transparent and verifiable.


I don't understand what you mean

Quote:


There's a problem with the time frames indeed. The problems occured because players could not meet the time frames. As a solution the director chose to give players more time, which I agree with you is not fair to the original rules. It hurt the tournament's credibility a lot, though it allowed the matches to actually be completed by playing rather than by forfeit. Hopefully the consequences of that won't be too bad and we can all live and learn: longer time frames!


The pre-established rules were clear : we had not much time : if a player can't be available enough, he doesn't join : we don't need jokers !
redPEPPER écrit le Fri, 08 July 2005 17:11

put yourself in tjandjahall's situation: you can extend a timeline, or forfeit a player, or both. Possibly you like, or dislike one of them... The situation is not a clean cut and you'll have to answer of your decision to other players of the tournament in which you are involved... This spells disaster.

if the rules are strict enough, nobody can take issue over the decision

redPEPPER écrit le Fri, 08 July 2005 17:11


Quote:

- He made mistakes, but he acknowledged them.

léachris:


not all, he asked grolapinos why he didn't point the mistake earlier.

You read what you want to read. The first thing he said to grolapinos was:
You are quite correct. My most abject apologies.
Only in the second paragraph does he ask grolapinos why the delay. And he ends that paragraph with:
No matter. This was entirely my error.
So you're not being fair when you say he did not acknowledge that mistake. He clearly did.

See? You make mistakes too Wink



Ok, I didn't remember well

But I'm hot-tempered then not surprising Wink
redPEPPER écrit le Fri, 08 July 2005 17:11


léachris:

I don't blame him for scheduling problems but for changing the rules...

The change of rules was due to the scheduling problems, if I'm not mistaken. I agree with you that it was a bad decision though. In his defense the alternative (forfeits) was bad too (but arguably better).


If the director speaks of forfeiting unavailable players, he must do it and not wait and wait and wait ...

No credibility
redPEPPER écrit le Fri, 08 July 2005 17:11


léachris:

[quote redpepper =Quote:] I think the round durations are too short. Each round should be at least one week long, which includes a week-end, [/quote] in your next tournament , do it the way you want !

we explained at the very beginning the problem of duration, did you read it ?

This is an example of you taking things personally and the wrong way. I'm not blaming you for choosing the short time frames. We players agreed with it, we tried it, it failed. Let's learn from that for next time.



One week is too short for some players ( look at the second round ! )

10 days would be a good idea

50 days for a tournament, what a good idea !

redPEPPER écrit le Fri, 08 July 2005 17:11


I'm just tolerent of a fair level of imperfection because I take this less seriously than others, maybe.


Put yourself in my situation

- Vinz and I decided to organize a tournament

- Tjandjahall offered to be the tournament director

- We gave him the terms of reference

- He didn't respect them

- Not a problem of tolerance here but a problem of good or bad job .


redPEPPER écrit le Fri, 08 July 2005 17:11

Quote:

you can join the next one : there will be at least one player !!!
Speaking of drama...


No, joke ( but you don't seem to have humour enough to understand it )

yes, I don't take criticism well ( I hope you do Laughing Laughing )
yes, I take things personnaly ( you won't change me Laughing Laughing )

If you don't want to play with me as a tournament director, I'll find other players Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


I change the excamation marks into Laughing , nicer no ? Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Re:Open tournament Wed, 13 July 2005 00:50
well, thad and I played tonight

thad played very well, I didn't play the best I could and I made mistakes
But I'm very happy for thad who is really a very good player and a very kind person

léachris115 /thaddäus Smile 124
léachris Smile 126 /thaddäus 79
léachris Smile 120 /thaddäus 119
léachris Smile 110 /thaddäus 91
léachris116 /thaddäus Smile 123
léachris 95 /thaddäus Smile 127
léachris 112 /thaddäus Smile 116

good luck thad for the final, and don't forget

WOMEN'S POWER !!!

all the women who played this tournament are behind you Wink
      
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Re:Open tournament Wed, 13 July 2005 02:19
Léachris, it's a pity you weren't playing your best. I hope you feel entirely yourself again soon. You've played well overall, and I think everyone involved will join me in thanking you for organising the Open Tournament.

However, congratulations to Thaddäus, the first player through to the final. With Peter and Torsten's match scheduled for the next European evening, we should have an opponent for you quite soon.
      
thadd
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Re:Open tournament Wed, 13 July 2005 08:49
Hi everyone!

Lea, i will make my best!!!
Thanks for the games, I know that you didn't feel very well the last days.
We should make some games together without the tournament stress. Wink

I won't be able to play the next days, I will be back in Chicago from friday on, so Peter or Torsten, just pm me and we can try to play next week. Good luck to both of you.

Cu soon

thad

P.S. Lea, have a nice vacation and take care.

      
Torsten
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Re:Open tournament Wed, 13 July 2005 22:26
I will take my best against women power

here are the results from Peter against Torsten

129 - 118 1:0
76 - 123 1:1
120 - 108 2:1
106 - 119 2:2
114 - 116 2:3
107 - 112 2:4

Thanks a lot Peter for the great fight. I was enjoying it.

For me it doesn't matter, when the final will start. But with the different time zone I will be more flexible at the weekend.

[Updated on: Wed, 13 July 2005 22:27]

      
travisjhall
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Re:Open tournament Thu, 14 July 2005 01:41
And Torsten and Thaddäus have pretty much said what needs to be said: Finals between those two, and play when you can schedule it (but sooner is better than later, so we are all done with this).

(I was just thinking, the technical threat of a double-disqualification for now playing the final quickly enough is a pretty idle one. It's not like a director could eliminate the finalists and move on with the tournament, or declare somebody else the winner.)
      
Peter de Zeeuw
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Semi-Final Result - D.I.S. vs. Torsten Thu, 14 July 2005 10:07
I know Torsten already published the results, but here's my side of it all...

Match 1
Peter de Zeeuw defeated Torsten (129-118)
Match 2
Torsten defeated Peter de Zeeuw (123-76)
Match 3
Peter de Zeeuw defeated Torsten (120-108)
Match 4
Torsten defeated Peter de Zeeuw (119-106)
Match 5
Torsten defeated Peter de Zeeuw (116-114)
Match 6
Torsten defeated Peter de Zeeuw (112-107)

Match 1 began good. Even though Torsten had Seattle-NY and LA-NY and I had SF-Miami and Helena-LA, I was able to beat him even without blocking. But then I lost my concentration...
Something came up (in real life) and my mind wasn't with the game anymore. For example: the second match I took both Vancouver-Montreal AND LA-Miami. Who the heck takes those two tickets, especially in a semi-final match?! I was out of it, plus I didn't have much time left to spend behind the pc, so I was also hasty. I'm sorry Torsten, I don't mean to sound like a crybaby and enfeeble your victory, because you played and conquered. It is just the thought that I knew I didn't gave it all I had.

My loss was sour. Unnecessary. Unforgivable.
Losing this semi-final wasn't initially in my script... Sad

(Yep. Crybaby... Crying or Very Sad )

Good luck with the rest of the tournament Tjandjahall, Thaddäus and Torsten. Thank you Léachris and Vinz for originally setting this up. I enjoyed it a lot.

My only question to Tjandjahall now is: should Léachris and I play a 'best out of 7' series for the 3th place in the Open Tournament?

Regards,

D.I.S.

[Updated on: Thu, 14 July 2005 10:10]

      
travisjhall
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Re:Semi-Final Result - D.I.S. vs. Torsten Fri, 15 July 2005 03:59
Peter de Zeeuw wrote on Thu, 14 July 2005 18:07

My only question to Tjandjahall now is: should Léachris and I play a 'best out of 7' series for the 3th place in the Open Tournament?

The original terms of the tournament don't mention a play-off for third. I suppose you can if you both wish to do so. However, I suspect that Léachris probably won't want to, considering that she goes off-line some time within the next 48 hours.

(In fact, even if you do play off, there's nothing to say that the winner of such a play-off in an elimination tournament has really played third-best. Depending on the results, you can end up with two players in the tournament who have lost only to the tournament winner. They would rank second and third, but you can't really tell from the matches played which should be second and which third. That's one of the weaknesses of single-elimination tournaments.)
      
travisjhall
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Re:Open tournament Thu, 21 July 2005 03:29
Two games in the final have been completed, but time zone differences have made scheduling difficult. Thaddäus and Torsten hope to play early next week.
      
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