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vinz
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 27 May 2005 17:00
léachris écrit le Fri, 27 May 2005 16:58



1/16th : 20-21-22 and 1/8th : 24-25-26

so that tjandjahall has time on the 23th to schedule the 1/16th games, do you agree vinz ?



sounds perfect to me !
      
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 27 May 2005 17:03
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 27 May 2005 17:08
Players :
1- léachris (44)
2- jacqueline (260)
3- vinz (721)
4- olivier27 (1906)
5- salutos (914)
6- pat's jumelle (1572)
7- chrigu
8- lotusardent (227)
9- grenouillette (3016)
10- kris&caro 44 (1611)
11- Zugbegleiterin (8 )
12- orc&roll (82)
13- beshop (609)
14- vegas (1664)
15- optimus (19)
16- grolapinos (50)
17- redPEPPER (826)
18- gwen (46)
19- montezuma (2913)
20- thaddäus (69)
21- Ben Roimola (1984)
22- Peter de Zeeuw (207)
23- nico06 (395)
24- bassie (118)
25- lorus (737)
26- Spieler67204 (darkangel1000 : 4310)
27- Rode katers (229)
28- Razamanaz (13)
29- Falke (482)
30- Lexion (184)
31- alektacrome (4366)
32- torsten (451)

Position remaining : 0 !!!!


number within parenthesis is ranking on 05/27

[Updated on: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:18]

      
Torsten
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 27 May 2005 17:10
I want to join the tournament too.
Please set me to the list.

ciao
torsten Cool
      
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 27 May 2005 17:15
Torsten écrit le Fri, 27 May 2005 17:10

I want to join the tournament too.
Please set me to the list.

ciao
torsten Cool

you're the last !

just in time

registrations closed
      
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 27 May 2005 17:36
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vinz
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 27 May 2005 17:41
I've just asked tjandjahall by PM to sort out the 1st round. As soon as it is ready, it will be publish here...

I've requested french players to join this thread, so we can all discuss together the results !!! (if someone could ask the same in the german forum, it would be nice !)
      
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 27 May 2005 18:26
Will we can look to the games???

Hawaienne
      
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 27 May 2005 18:41
SKMorefield écrit le Fri, 27 May 2005 16:08

Oh, I was typing 'enter' instead of clicking 'ok'. When you type the name and 'enter' it will refresh the page for some reason. Gotcha. Thanks!

typing enter should work...
Strange...

      
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 27 May 2005 18:43
Hawaienne écrit le Fri, 27 May 2005 18:26

Will we can look to the games???

Hawaienne

as I know most of the players, I'd like to say yes but ...

- some will perhaps prefer to lock their games to avoid cheating

- during peak hours, as only the 60 " oldest games " can be seen, it's very hard to see a whole game
( during the first tournament, we could only see the 2 last moves of some games Sad Sad )
      
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 27 May 2005 19:11
maybe it was said but it's difficult to me to understand (i want impatiently the holidays) generally, how many games will we have to do per a day...

Sorry for this horrible english...but i'm trying to do the best i can...can we speak german too ? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy or mixing english german and french ??

Thank you sehr beaucoup !
      
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 27 May 2005 19:16
nico06 écrit le Fri, 27 May 2005 19:11

maybe it was said but it's difficult to me to understand (i want impatiently the holidays) generally, how many games will we have to do per a day...



One round = best of 5 games
if you are very good, 1 round could be only 3 games...

For the 2 first rounds, we request these 5 games max per round to be done within 3 days (therefore it will be 1 or 2 games per day ; or the 5 the same day if your opponent ik OK with this)
      
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 27 May 2005 19:18
léachris écrit le Fri, 27 May 2005 18:43

Hawaienne écrit le Fri, 27 May 2005 18:26

Will we can look to the games???


as I know most of the players, I'd like to say yes but ...

- some will perhaps prefer to lock their games to avoid cheating
- during peak hours, as only the 60 " oldest games " can be seen, it's very hard to see a whole game
( during the first tournament, we could only see the 2 last moves of some games Sad Sad )


I tend to think the same way...
But we can let this choice upto the 2 opponents :
- If both are OK, then they leave it "open"
- if 1 wants it to be "closed" then it will be.

What do you think ?
      
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Re:Open tournament Sat, 28 May 2005 05:56
Round 1 Draw
1.  chrigu          grolapinos
2.  lorus           redPEPPER
3.  léachris        kri&caro 44
4.  gwen            nico06
5.  thaddäus        bassie
6.  Falke           Razamanaz
7.  orc&roll        jacqueline
8.  optimus         Ben Roimola
9.  beshop          olivier27
10. vinz            Spieler67204 (aka darkangel1000)
11. Zugbegleiterin  Lexion
12. torsten         alektacrome
13. montezuma       Rode katers
14. Peter de Zeeuw  pat's jumelle
15. lotusardent     salutos
16. grenouillette   vegas


And I'm going to add a couple of rules...

One player on the list was told that he would be able to play despite being unavailable 16/6/2005-19/6/2005. As this is the case, the first round will begin on 20/6/2005. All matches in the first round must be complete by the end of 22/6/2005. (A match is complete once one player has won three games, or four games from the third round onwards.) Should a match not be complete by the end of 22/6/2005, I may, at my sole discretion, disqualify both players from the tournament. If a match is completed after 22/6/2005 but before I next check my PMs, I will accept the result of the match. Otherwise, I may allow extra time to complete a match, but I am unlikely to do this unless the players have scheduled to play within a fairly short timespan. All dates are as per the game server, so please be aware of time zone differences. Subsequent rounds will be scheduled as the tournament progresses.

Early Games: Each round will be scheduled to play on certain dates. The first five 2-player games played between those dates will be taken to be the tournament games. However, I have no problem with players playing their games early. This allows for much easier scheduling (especially since we have players on opposite sides of the globe). If both players agree, they may play match games before the scheduled start date of their round. Before starting their first match game, though, both players should PM me concerning their intention to begin play early. (I don't want any disputes concerning whether a game is part of a tournament match.)

Subsequent Rounds: The winners of matches 1 and 2 will play in round 2, the winners of matches 3 and 4 will play, and so on down the list. After each round is complete, I will post the draw for the next round. However, it is quite possible for players to work out in advance who they will be facing next. Players should feel free to play later round matches early, if they so desire.

Notification of Results: I would like both players to notify me, via PM, of the result of their match. (Just so I don't have to back up in the case of a dispute.)


I know this all sounds very formal and perhaps a little intimidating, but as I said, I've organised tournaments before, and I've seen how things can turn surprisingly nasty. It's better to have things specified in advance and then not need to use them than to run into a nasty argument and not have the rules clear. The tournaments so far have been friendly, but it is probably a good idea to get used to having a formal structure now, so that tournaments will remain friendly in the future. léachris and vinz, from this point application of the rules has to be at my discretion alone, because you two are players. It's very bad for players to be able to influence the administration of a tournament, for obvious reasons.

If anybody here is fluent in both English and French, or English and German, it might be a good idea to provide a translation of the above rules for the non-English-speaking players. I don't speak either French or German, unfortunately, and while Babelfish can get the gist across, it isn't always accurate.
      
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Re:Open tournament Sat, 28 May 2005 06:05
Oh, I knew I forgot something.

Leaving a Game: If a player leaves a game in a tournament match, the other player should also leave the game, so that it can be scheduled for completion at a later time. The players must finish that game before starting their next tournament game. Should the person who first leaves the game refuse to continue that game, the other player will be considered to have won that game.

Tied Games: A game tied on points will be considered won by the player who has completed the most destination tickets. Should this also be tied, the player who has the Longest Track will be considered the winner. (This is as per the rules for the boardgame. The tie-breaks have not been implemented in the online game.) Players should take a capture of the score screen as proof of the result following a game tied on score.

The Tied Games rule is provisional. I'm willing to hear arguments for or against this. I'm not certain whether this is the best way to handle it, since it is harder to verify the number of tickets complete and the Longest Track after the fact.
      
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Re:Open tournament Sat, 28 May 2005 16:02
Our sheriff is good ! and fast !!!!!!!

Good luck to everyone, I really look forward the start of this open... and hope I'll be able to make it to the second round !
      
vinz
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Re:Open tournament Sat, 28 May 2005 16:29
french translation done... Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:Open tournament Sat, 28 May 2005 18:41
Thanks Tjandjahall!!

I am looking forward to play. Smile Smile Smile
      
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Re:Open tournament Sat, 28 May 2005 19:00
I have to inform you that zugbegleiterin decided not to be in the tournament, we need one player to join !

Tjandjahall, I'll tell you the name asap

[Updated on: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:09]

      
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Re:Open tournament Sat, 28 May 2005 20:27
german translation done ... Very Happy
      
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Re:Open tournament Sat, 28 May 2005 21:40
matmimi joins us
      
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Re:Open tournament Sun, 29 May 2005 03:24
In that case, I declare:
Round 1 Draw

1.  chrigu          grolapinos
2.  lorus           redPEPPER
3.  léachris        kri&caro 44
4.  gwen            nico06
5.  thaddäus        bassie
6.  Falke           hermelin
7.  orc&roll        jacqueline
8.  optimus         Ben Roimola
9.  beshop          olivier27
10. vinz            Spieler67204 (aka darkangel1000)
11. matmimi         Lexion
12. torsten         alektacrome
13. montezuma       Rode katers
14. Peter de Zeeuw  pat's jumelle
15. lotusardent     salutos
16. grenouillette   vegas

[Updated on: Wed, 15 June 2005 10:08]

      
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Re:Open tournament Wed, 15 June 2005 02:57
Hello !

Just talked to Leachris about your way to play your tour.
I don't agree with your rules to play ,sorry about that,but in this case i quit from your tour.
For me it mades no sense to play against the top ranked first and to fight in final(don't no if i'm there)against an ranked 1000 player.But your system mades it possible.
I need an tour where every game comes harder and not a oppunet in random.

Whish you all a lot of fun,but "SORRY" without me.
so FALKE has won the first round.

your

RAZAMANAZ


      
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Re:Open tournament Wed, 15 June 2005 04:02
I'll take the spot if it helps.
      
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Re:Open tournament Wed, 15 June 2005 05:11
Razamanaz wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 10:57

Just talked to Leachris about your way to play your tour.
I don't agree with your rules to play ,sorry about that,but in this case i quit from your tour.

I regret that you feel that way, Razamanaz. The rules of the tournament were clearly stated when you signed up, including the fact that the draw would be random. I have to say that I consider it quite unsporting to sign up for a tournament, thus agreeing to the rules of play, and then drop out after the first round draw has been announced. That said, I can't stop you doing this.

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For me it mades no sense to play against the top ranked first and to fight in final(don't no if i'm there)against an ranked 1000 player.But your system mades it possible.
I need an tour where every game comes harder and not a oppunet in random.

The fact is, any single-elimination tournament will see the same thing being possible for somebody. It is possible to arrange for the top two players to always play increasingly hard opponents as the tournament progresses (assuming neither is upset), but every other player will have an "easier" opponent following a "harder" one at some stage, unless they are eliminated before reaching that point. The phenomenon will always occur unless there are no upsets at all. Even then, somebody has to play the top player in the first round, and that somebody will be from the bottom half of the rankings if the tournament is arranged to give progressively easier games to the top players.

What the random draw has done is take from you (as a high-ranked player) the privilege of being the person for whom easy early games are arranged. In this tournament, your chance of getting an easy opponent in the first round was exactly the same as everybody else's.

Anyway, léachris and vinz, were there any other players who just missed out on the initial sign-ups, or should we accept rek? If we had reached the official start date, I'm not sure why we shouldn't accept a replacement for Razamanaz. If we had reached 20/6/2005, I'd have to refuse and advance Falke.
      
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Re:Open tournament Wed, 15 June 2005 09:10
tjandjahall écrit le Wed, 15 June 2005 05:11

Razamanaz wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 10:57

Just talked to Leachris about your way to play your tour.
I don't agree with your rules to play ,sorry about that,but in this case i quit from your tour.

I regret that you feel that way, Razamanaz. The rules of the tournament were clearly stated when you signed up, including the fact that the draw would be random. I have to say that I consider it quite unsporting to sign up for a tournament, thus agreeing to the rules of play, and then drop out after the first round draw has been announced.


It was my fault

Razamanaz didn't sign up on the forum, he didn't know the rules and I forgot to tell him before he signs up .

Yesterday, when I told him the rules, he didn't want to be in anymore.

I DO respect his choice !

You like to cast discredit on people without knowing the exact details, don't you ?

tjandjahall écrit le Wed, 15 June 2005 05:11


Anyway, léachris and vinz, were there any other players who just missed out on the initial sign-ups


Sorry rek, but hermelin asked me to join by PM it would be unfair not to give him the spot !

[Updated on: Wed, 15 June 2005 09:42]

      
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Re:Open tournament Wed, 15 June 2005 09:35
Not a problem, I was just offering to fill in if it would help.
      
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Re:Open tournament Wed, 15 June 2005 09:39
rek{} écrit le Wed, 15 June 2005 09:35

Not a problem, I was just offering to fill in if it would help.


I did understand it that way Wink

thanks for your help rek
      
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Re:Open tournament Wed, 15 June 2005 10:07
léachris wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 17:10


It was my fault

Razamanaz didn't sign up on the forum, he didn't know the rules and I forgot to tell him before he signs up .

Yesterday, when I told him the rules, he didn't want to be in anymore.

Well, thank you for taking responsibility, léachris. I still consider it somewhat unsporting to drop out of a tournament because the rules are not to your liking, as long as those rules are still fair and reasonable. (And the rules you and vinz devised are fair and reasonable, though they won't produce a tournament to everybody's liking. No tournament will, hence the discussions concerning tournament organisation.)

Are there other players who might still be unaware of the tournament rules? It would be best to direct everybody to this thread, to get the word straight from the horse's mouth.

tjandjahall écrit le Wed, 15 June 2005 05:11

Sorry rek, but hermelin asked me to join by PM it would be unfair not to give him the spot !


hermelin is in then. Rather than repost the draw, I think I'll just edit the last draw posted. See that post for full details.
      
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Re:Open tournament Wed, 15 June 2005 10:16
tjandjahall écrit le Wed, 15 June 2005 10:07

I still consider it somewhat unsporting to drop out of a tournament because the rules are not to your liking, as long as those rules are still fair and reasonable.


I'm sure many other players didn't even join the tournament because the rules were not to their liking
(especially among top ranked players),

not less unsporting !!!
      
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Re:Open tournament Wed, 15 June 2005 10:35
I've just realised that I've talked before about times and dates in the rules being in "server time" (that is, taken to use the time zone of the server's location), but there is no definite indication of where the server is located, that I have been able to find just now.

My guess, though, is that the DOW servers are in Los Angeles, where their US headquarters are located. Therefore, if there are no objections and no corrections forthcoming from DOW staff, I will state that times are dates I give (and have given) shall be in Pacific USA time, or Greenwich Mean Time minus 8 hours.

(For anyone who is interested, I am in Brisbane, Australia, which is GMT+10 hours.)
      
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Re:Open tournament Wed, 15 June 2005 10:46
léachris wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 18:16

I'm sure many other players didn't even join the tournament because the rules were not to their liking
(especially among top ranked players),

not less unsporting !!!


I guess you and I will have to live with a difference of opinion, then. I see a refusal to join and leaving once the tournament has begun (including after the announcement of the draw) to be quite different things.

Thinking about it, I realise that my first years of tourament play was with a community of chess players who hold themselves to a very high standard of honour. Around here, the chess player who would act in a manner detrimental to the running of a tournament is (or at least was at the time) quite rare. For example, during my first tournament, I was dreadfully ill from the second to the fifth days, but refused to drop out nonetheless, and several other players likewise continued despite illness. That background may influence my perceptions of such events somewhat.
      
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Re:Open tournament Wed, 15 June 2005 12:10
The server time is the time that appears on top right of each post, isn't it?

I am posting this at 10:10 UTC.


Edit:

the time on top left seems to be my local time (UTC+2). So either the server is located in a UTC+2 timezone (a strong possibility given DoW's French (?) admins and coders) or it checks my timezone to display the time, but since I see it in English and every other dynamic element seems to be in French, that would be odd.

If you are not in CET time zone and still see 12:10 as the time for this message, then it's the former. If you see a different time, it's the latter.

[Updated on: Wed, 15 June 2005 13:05]

      
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Re:Open tournament Wed, 15 June 2005 13:03
have a look at the times indicated

léachris écrit le Wed, 15 June 2005 10:16

I'm sure .....


tjandjahall écrit le Wed, 15 June 2005 10:46

léachris wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 18:16

I'm sure .......



yes, the server checks the timezones to display the time.



[Updated on: Wed, 15 June 2005 13:07]

      
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Conspiracy! Wed, 15 June 2005 13:04
redPEPPER wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 12:10

The server time is the time that appears on top right of each post, isn't it?

I am posting this at 10:10am UTC.


Edit:

the time on top left seems to be my local time (UTC+2). So either the server is located in Central Europe (a strong possibility given DoW's French (?) admins and coders) or it checks my timezone to display the time.

If you are not in CET time zone and still see 12:10 as the time for this message, then it's the former. If you see a different time, it's the latter.


You're right!

I suspect we're all just pawns in one big conspiracy!

DoW probably is a cover for a couple of mad scientists making cunning plans to take over the world and turn us all into vegetables...... maybe even canned ones!!! Shocked

(owwwwwwkee... time for my medication... Embarassed )

D.I.S.
      
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Re:Open tournament Wed, 15 June 2005 14:11
Tjandjahall, Lea and vinz!!!

Just that you know, that i have to play my games against bassie already before, as i will be leaving for europe on the 19.th and won't arrive before the 22nd at my final destination.

i hope bassie is free on thursday or friday,

thad
      
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Re:Open tournament Thu, 16 June 2005 02:19
redPEPPER wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 20:10

The server time is the time that appears on top right of each post, isn't it?

I am posting this at 10:10 UTC.

As you can see from the automatically-inserted quote header, when I read your post, it appears to have been posted at 20:10. Since I am in Brisbane (UTC+10), this makes sense.

Anyway, the assumption that the server is in LA should be fairly convenient for all concerned. If anybody was counting time in their own time zones, the Europeans will get about an extra eight hours to get their games in. Even the western-most continental Americans won't be surprised by the round ending earlier than they thought it might. Probably about the only people who might get caught a little short would be Hawaiians, Alaskans, Samoans and Midway Islanders. Do we have any players from those places? I don't think we'll run into any problems this way. As long as nobody winds up saying, "I thought I had an extra couple of hours before the midnight deadline," we're good.

If I had this to do over, I'd probably give all tournament times with full time and date in UTC, but since I don't have a time machine, this will do for now.
      
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 17 June 2005 02:43
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Re:Open tournament Fri, 17 June 2005 09:10
Razamanaz wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 02:57

Wish you all a lot of fun,but "SORRY" without me.
so FALKE has won the first round.

RAZAMANAZ


With Razamanaz withdrawing from the Open Tournament (the one who sealed my fate in the first round of the 2nd Tournament) the sun shines even brighter today for The Ideal Son-Outlaw. Cool

D.I.S.
      
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Re:Open tournament Mon, 20 June 2005 02:24
As I write this, it is 4:21pm on 19/6/2005 on the west coast of mainland USA. That means the official start of the first round is in under 8 hours. Don't forget. Anybody who hasn't already played an early match should arrange to play before the deadline, about three days and eight hours from now.
      
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