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Epitaph
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Fri, 22 September 2006 22:51
 
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Churchill seems like a pretty good tank choice. But personally I care more about there being some of those chips (for elite forces) that represent the Canadian and Australian forces, as well as other Commonwealth forces. A chip that has the Canadian Red Ensign on it would just be awesome. 
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player259420
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Mon, 25 September 2006 21:06
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DOW initially committed to M44 as a game to comemerate the sacrificies made during the Normandy campaign - I find it hard to swallow (and a little sad) that the British & Canadian troops that formed such a huge part of that campaign are not depicted.
My Grandfather fought from 1940-45 in the North African and North European Theatres, how would I explain to him that he and his comrades are supposed to represented by GIs, or his beloved Cromwell Tanks by Shermans?
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red_zebra
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Wed, 27 September 2006 22:27
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Dear Guderian family
Thanks for the info about James Doohan "Scotty"
I must say that your defense of the Churchill tank is very good and not selfish at all. 
You are quite right, the Churchill look so British with those big all around tracks, I think that is you best argument. (Reminds me of the WWI tanks) 
I am ready to concede defeat, but it seems odd to me that you hope for British 1940 infantry along side Churchills . 
We both want a British and Commonwealth expansion; we just differ on the focus.
Since I do love Matildas, (to me they represent the time when Britain valiantly stood alone) I will have buy some 10mm tanks for the desert and France 40, and some Cromwell tanks for Elite units.
This picture I took recently at Calgary, enjoy
http://www.geocities.com/red_zebra_ve/memoir44/Churchill_coc odrile.jpg
So we want a Churchill tank (could I hope for a mix of Churchills and Matildas ??? ), British Infantry in tin hats, 25pdr guns, all in Tan plastic.
Canadian, Australian and Commonwealth badges.
Some more desert Hex
Lots of scenarios
More scenarios
[Updated on: Wed, 27 September 2006 22:34]
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Mr & Mrs Guderian
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Thu, 28 September 2006 02:19
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Dear Sniper,
Yeah, we want something special.
I wonder what theatre Grant/Lee Tanks might be useful for. Its strange they didn't last longer in the War.
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Mr & Mrs Guderian
Posts: 39
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Thu, 28 September 2006 02:23
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Dear Epitaph,
I think there would be a lot of Canadian Scenario's published just so people can use the old flag. I would play them just on that basis, myself.
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Mr & Mrs Guderian
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Thu, 28 September 2006 02:37
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Dear player259420,
I'm not sure you can explain it except in purely commercial terms. Maybe Days of Wonder are afraid it won't sell well enough at Xmas to justify the risk. I, personally, would buy it several times over but would enough other people buy it to make it viable.
I can understand that an American game is going to have American figures. Its their game, not ours, and we would do the same.
But its a major drawback, from a British point of view, that nothing has been done since then. I can only hope the much talked about carry-case is worth it.
Still, we are not the only ones to lament the missing Tommies. It has become such an obvious ommission that there is a joke about it on Board Game Geek:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/125763
It did make me smile. Someone out there has a wonderful sense of humour.
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Mr & Mrs Guderian
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Thu, 28 September 2006 02:55
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Dear red_zebra,
You are very kind. I do like the way you see the Matilda's. Its a nice way of looking at it.
Your photo is a nice one. I never found out why some Churchill's have protection around the tank-tracks and others don't. Even in the official photo's of Churchill's in the field, there are about a third without this protection. Must have been a nuisance for the crews. I do hope Days of Wonder don't get hold of those ones otherwise we will end up with Churchills with their ankles showing. 
Just to explain the 1940 Infantryman requirement - All the Black & White movies had that uniform, there were the scenes (the ones without the paratroops) in A Bridge Too Far, there was Dad's Army, there was loads of stuff. But the thing that really ticked that box was watching Dunkirk on the Beeb (I think). A three-part docudrama-type thingy with extra bits on Digital/Freeview. Lots of British Tommies walking back through France with no water or rest, just to sit beside the sea. British Generals drinking tea and looking aghast at how it didn't go like last time. I don't suppose that it really matters at that scale in plastic, but if I'm going to express a preferance I might as well go the whole hog.
Besides, a 1940 Infantrman can also be used quite well in any WW1 Scenarios, which would be good fun.
Maybe its just the tin hat. Its iconic.
Lots and lots of scenario's!
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Sniper
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Thu, 28 September 2006 16:08
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I think the Grant/Lee tank saw substantial action in North Africa. Maybe not the most numerous tank but the British received several under Lend Lease, plus it is darn cool looking.
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red_zebra
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February 2005
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Thu, 28 September 2006 21:24
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I nearly forgot:
Some Hurricanes or Tempests for the Air rules
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Sniper
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Fri, 29 September 2006 07:59
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Taken from www.wwiivehicles.com
"200 Grants were delivered to the 8th Army in the Western Desert in early 1942. 4th Armored Brigade had 167 Grants at the Gazala battle1 on May 27, 1942. It gave a boost to morale as it could out-range the panzers.
250 Lees were sent to the 8th Army in June 1942. By the Battle of Alamein in October 1942 almost 600 M3 tanks had been delivered.
When the M4 replaced these tanks in the desert the M3s were shipped to Burma. A few went to Australia."
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RonB
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Fri, 29 September 2006 14:43
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Lee/Grants saw service in the CBI theater where they were more than a match for anything the Japanese had tankwise. In addition, most Japanese AT guns were too small a calibre to deal with their frontal armor. They surprised the Japanese time after time by being able to scale hills that should have been impassable. They'd use their 75mm with HE to blow away the cover and camo on Japanese bunkers then use solid shot to pierce the logs/etc. that made them up. The crews liked having two guns as they could engage two targets at once or "double team" one target. Unfortunately, there was a high mortality rate amongst the commanders as they had to keep their heads out due to the close terrrain or even get out and lead the tank on by foot.
Oh, and remember the Russians had a few as well.
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clay1644
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Mon, 30 October 2006 03:39
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 Hey, We need the "Its and Brits" to come around some day, I'll wait. We also need the French because They fought very well for as long as they could. AND...We can use the french figures for GREEKS! fighting Italians on the mountain mediterrainian front. France 1940 and Moussilinis agression against Greece in 1940. and.....WE NEED BRITS! we need em, Tommies, Diggers, Kiwis, Canukks, Jocks, Mikks, Afrikaaners, etc........."please step away from the soap box"
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player270835
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Mon, 30 October 2006 09:22
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Hi,
I would prefer the Churchill tank as it covers more of the war.
Rich.
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red_zebra
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Mon, 05 February 2007 22:52
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Just shamelessly bumping this, since discussions for the "next expansion after the case / air-pack" are starting again.
Bring Desert Memoir 41
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Sniper
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Tue, 06 February 2007 00:08
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Bump away! We need this expansion, in fact I would prefer this one to the carrying case any day. Bring on the British Mini's and a North African/Med expansion.
Game on!
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raistlin_majere
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Tue, 06 February 2007 15:54
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I'm also starting to turn to this side. We already have the desert board for British troops, but no troops. Well on the other hand, we don't have italian troops either, but I guess the British troops are more important since italians basically fought only in Africa and Britain had troops also in Asia and Europe.
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jdrommel
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Tue, 06 February 2007 23:00
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Hello,
I would just say something different about the italians troops. They don't have fought only in Africa, they have fought too in France (in the Alps mountains), in Greece, in Russia, In Sicily and Italy. So this fact gives us a lot of scenarios possibles for an expansion with british troops and italians troops.
It will be a very good idea !
Friendly,
Jdrommel.
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Sniper
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Nordiskanc
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jty3
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Wed, 07 February 2007 00:21
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Desert 41 would be awesome, but we really just need new missions since we already have the terrain pack, terrain board, and the models for it.
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Sniper
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Angelo
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Wed, 07 February 2007 09:28
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mmm.. just an idea. Instead of new (interesting) set (italian, Brit and so on), why DOW doesn't release new pieces (trucks, jeeps, new weapons...)? In this way we could improve the scenarios already released.. and the game could be more & more sophisticated..
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Sniper
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Krieghund
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Wed, 07 February 2007 19:36
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| angelo wrote on Wed, 07 February 2007 03:28 |
mmm.. just an idea. Instead of new (interesting) set (italian, Brit and so on), why DOW doesn't release new pieces (trucks, jeeps, new weapons...)? In this way we could improve the scenarios already released.. and the game could be more & more sophisticated..
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This is an idea that I can get behind. A nice set would include minis for special units such as Tiger tanks, engineers, and French Resistance. While it would be nice to have enough figures to make up whole units, only one figure per unit would be absolutely necessary, as the other figures could just be the regular ones. These figures could replace the special unit badges.
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Sniper
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Wed, 07 February 2007 21:38
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For the British mini's I vote for a Bren, Sten or Thompson Submachine gun.
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Dasher
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Fri, 09 February 2007 20:05
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Well, the FIRST thing I'd like to see is the Carrying Case.
That said:
I am a pre-sell on two copies each of anything new for Memoir '44, but especially for British, Italian and French Army sets.
The Matilda is a perfectly acceptable tank for the British as is the Churchill; my main criterion for a British tank for the game is that it have a distinctive look to it vis a vis other Allied armor, and both those vehicles certainly fit the bill on that score.
Also, I'd like to see the Americans get their own artillery piece; as of right now, we have the German PAK 40 in green, which is a tad embarassing.
French units would be very cool, especially with rules for Foreign Legion troops and Free French Army units.
An easy way to field late war French units would be to simply give current Allied units a coat of light blue paint to show theAnglo-American equipment of Free French Army units.
With British Sten-gun armed troop figures, this technique would also do nicely for FFA commando forces.
So many cool possibilities, so little time...
Darion Leonidas
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red_zebra
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Sat, 10 February 2007 00:57
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British infantry: Sten MG or LeeEnfield rifle with bayonet.
Please NOT the Thomson. Those where made in the "colonies", like the Sherman 
There could be a simple rule to simulate all the problems the British had with intendance and transmitting orders, and sticking to them! (Traditional war games have plenty of these, some more cumbersome than others)
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50th
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Sat, 10 February 2007 03:15
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Not to downplay the Brits, but using the badges from the terrain pack expansion and the standard allies figs, you can play a brits game now! But I think an Italian expansion set would be great! Their tanks were not as good, when they had them. There could be some special rules about that, for example using only two armor figs instead of three, and having a range of two, ect. The number and strength of artillery pieces could also be lessened. Mabey more desert scenarios for the It's. But another thing I would like to see, is a board with more sea and ships, perhaps landing craft with rules to match. That would make D-Day and Iwo Jima and other beach landing scenarios better, and more realistic! Perhaps an island board with a big island and water all around for your ships. Off course this board would have to be larger. And when, when will we get the rules and figs for aircraft? 
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mammuthka
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Randwulf
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Mon, 12 February 2007 09:42
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I base all mine with pennys... perfect size, I spray paint them both sides and get the edges good, glue on the fig and then a little extra glue and some flocking to cover the transition. The weight keeps them upright nicely, and they only cost 1 cent each....
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Sniper
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Mon, 12 February 2007 22:31
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It is true you can paint the mini's you referenced for British inf, but you would still be missing the tanks and arty. The official mini's plus more official scenarios for the Med/North Africa would make this a big seller. The sales in the UK would probably be enough to justify coming out with this expansion.
Game On!
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for england
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Fri, 16 February 2007 17:03
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I know some people will not agree with me on this as the british tank that should be in M44 as it was only used right at the end of the war and did not see much action but it was the best tank to come out of ww2 and that was the Centurion Tank.
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Sniper
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Randwulf
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Tue, 27 February 2007 05:08
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I vote for the Lee/Grant also... or maybe the Matilda... just as long at it is tan and early war/Africa era...
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presence
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Tue, 27 February 2007 05:49
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I'm in for an english expansion. I particularly want the desert environments, and the periods around the "Battle of Dunkirk (1940)", not the 1600s version.
Make it and I'll buy it.
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tank commander
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Mon, 12 March 2007 21:39
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| RonB wrote on Fri, 29 September 2006 08:43 |
Lee/Grants saw service in the CBI theater where they were more than a match for anything the Japanese had tankwise.
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What wasn't a match for Japanese tanks.
Like the Italians, Japanese tanks had thin armor and were undergunned. Their medium tanks should be classed as light armor.
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Sniper
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Tue, 08 May 2007 19:14
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Good discussion, let's keep it going.
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red_zebra
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Roobarb
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Wed, 09 May 2007 02:57
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for me it has to be a churchill youed recoize it from the other side of the room
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JMcL63
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6
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Wed, 09 May 2007 03:01
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Which models would I like to see for the British expansion when it comes?
Infantry: rifleman with bayonet- the good old Lee Enfield .303 naturally enough.
Tanks: Churchill or Cromwell- sure they're late war and not early war, but I just think that either of these were more important than any of the early war models (or even all of them put together?). 
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