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Reppuli
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NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Sun, 02 January 2011 04:12
I've played TTR more or less frequently since 2006.
My scoring is approximately 1250. I'm not even close to a top player, but I'm not one of the worst either.

Typically I play a game or two just for fun before going to sleep, and prefer nice chat to aggresive strategy and winning with rude blocking. I don't consider myself as a fanatic whiner, and this is the very first time I write to this forum.

Supposedly I'm one of the players beginning the manner of creating the games with the word FAIR in order to tell that I prefer non-blocking game. Lately I've named all my games FUN & FAIR in order to attract the chatty and polite players instead of aggressive blockers.

I also always wish my opponent players "Welcome" and continue with phrase "Let's have a fun and fair game". Still sometimes I meet players who seem to think that blocking is the ultimate strategy to win the game. Unfortunatelly to my experience it seems to be that these very same players rarely chat, and unfortunatelly most of them seem to avoid even answering "hello". I understand that some players don't speak English, some are new to the game, some are shy, some are very young and insecure of what to chat and some some just simple don't want to chat, and I respect that. If I notice intentional aggressive blocking I usually ask about that. Usually we sort it out, and the game continues.

But now I met a player who's attitude and behaviour caused me to write here:

ICE-surfer, a top 300 player who has played almost 10.000 games in two years time, joined my 2-players US route FAST & FAIR game. He didn't answer to my hello, but never mind. We played and I won the game. I created a new FUN & FAIR game and there he joined again. I told him "welcome back" which he didn't reply. Pretty soon it was obvious that his main intention was to ruin my route by blocking it. I asked him: "Are you a blocker?". He replied to me to go on because "I had won the first game just because of drawing good tix and should just face the fact that I'll loose" Then he called me some names. I asked him to leave the game, because this wasn't my idea of a fun and fair game. Not so surprisingly, he refused to leave the game. The conversation turned to quite impolite from both sides after that, which was very unpleasant and shameful behaviour from both of us. To be honest I thought that I was playing against an under-influence "tough guy", who had come to play after long and unhappy night out (this happened in the night between Sat and Sun), and somehow that woke the teacher in me. Frankly, I was very astonished to see that this player wasn't any occasional guest but one of the most succeed players in this game.

I've understood that the policy was settled as FAIR meaning NO-BLOCKING in year 2008. A player who's played almost 10.000 games should be aware of that. Should I and other players creating FAIR named games understand this as a message, that we just-for-fun-players are easy and free ranking-enhancing points to those most aggressive top players? I've never entered a game named 1500+ because I respect the game creator's wish to have only the players with that high ranking. Would it be too much to ask the same respect from the top players? Drop the explanations on how "this is a game and everybody's playing to win" and "how the TTR rules do not deny it and that's why it's ok". That is not an excuse when you intentionally enter a 2-player game knowing that creator appreciates non-blocking game, and then block just to get cheap and easy points. It just seems to be quite far away from the ideal behaviour even in TTR. And as in this case happened again: ICE-surfer lost his first game instead of this ultimate smart strategy of entering fair game and then blocking.

During the 2000+ games I've played I've had many conversations with other anti-blockers. Should we also start entering all the "top500" and "1500+" games and refuse to leave just in order to cause the same frustration, or would it be more reasonable solution just to make a goodwill contract of fair play: If there's word FAIR in the game name, then no blocking. Or then it should be possible that the game creator may boot players not respecting his/her policy.

Best regards and wishing for better game policy,
Reppuli

PS I'll send this same note to DoW Online as well, because this really seems to be an issue causing very much inconvenience among players.


      
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Sympathizing With A Non-Blocker Sun, 02 January 2011 05:55
Hi Reppuli,

When my tickets stink or when I get the feeling my opponent has high tickets or a better chance of getting the longest continuous route, I turn to blocking as an attempt to win as well. And frankly, I love it. Cool

I play against everyone, no matter their ranking. But when I see the word 'FAIR' as a game title, I understand the player is not keen on blockers, so I refrain from entering it.

But politeness above all. I'm not always in the mood to chat, but mostly you'll get a smiley from me as a way of saying 'hi' and 'welcome to the game'. I noticed too that some players, so-called "top players" as well, are real unsympathetic jerks and very sore losers with little to no sense of humor. Now, I'm not a stranger to a bit of in-game 'trash talk', but I'm not a fan of all the [bip] words (although I did manage to activate The Profanity Filter recently, hahaha). Really, it's not worth it. Suck up your loss and get over it already.

Anyway, this was just my way of saying your voice is heard and I sympathize. Smile

Take care,

D.I.S.
      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Sun, 02 January 2011 13:33
Reppuli, i see your point and mainly agree, BUT at the same time i object Razz
You imply or even may think that blocking is unfair and that's just not true, so in a way it's insulting to players who block when they think it's their best chance at winning.
Some other players might think that drawing lots of tickets is unfair or taking lots of 6-tracks or starting games with laying portland-seattle or ......
Simple fact is that blocking is - was even originally intended so by the designer - an integral part of the game, which some players don't like. That's fair ( Cool) enough but no need to call others unfair over it.

Why not call the games NO BLOCKING? That's clear and neutral.
      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Sun, 02 January 2011 22:13
agree with Mr Bean that "FAIR" is an unfortunate and inaccurate description of a non-blocking game. Nevertheless I and everyone understands what it means and should of course respect that.

Anyway, enjoy your TTR games against the many fun, fair and firendly players of all ranks!

      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Wed, 05 January 2011 03:36
Thank you all for answering.
I'll name my games NO-BLOCKING from now on.
Hopefully that'll make the message clear enough...

Have a happy new TTR year 2011!
      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Wed, 05 January 2011 17:01
Reppuli,

in looking over your record / scores it would appear your motivation is to score the maximum possible number of points in each game - while this is fun - i submit that it is equally fun (and more complex) to have a goal of winning while scoring a minimum number of possible points and correctly guessing your opponents tix-
either way enjoy your games and don't let a few bad games or opponent comments stop you from playing this lovely game -

blubes
      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Thu, 06 January 2011 09:30
The-CHOSEN-One wrote on Thu, 06 January 2011 04:55

Reppuli

I have never ever....ever....read something so ridiculous in my life. You are pathetic. I am left speechless. IT IS A GAME OF STRATEGY U NIMROD. Who takes the time out of their day to play if they have no intention of trying to win? I have played ICE Surfer, he is so beneath the level of a good player I dont understand how you could lose to him. Above that why would you waste the time to play 2000+ games and not strive to become a good player? A greeting is nice and all, but if you are looking for a virtual world where you can have a good chat and make a friend, there are plenty of good voyeur porn sites out there where u can chat and have a good time all night long. Again, you are ridiculous. TTR should terminate your account for sending them a note filled with such garbage.

I hope we cross paths one day, cuz I CANNOT WAIT TO BLOCK YOU ALL GAME LONG.

I am The-CHOSEN-One


Take your pills, self-chosen-one
      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Thu, 06 January 2011 14:21
Hi,

To sell heaps of bullshit, this is the most poignant, especially when we have even not the courage to make it under its main identity.

The mad cow (hoping that nobody recognizes me)
      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Mon, 17 January 2011 13:54
I sympathise with you, but there's something else that bothers me here.

Define blocking.

Seriously.

At the strictest interpretation of non-blocking, I would be required to discern by your play what tickets you hold (as there's no blocking, there's no need to conceal what you're trying to do, right?), and then avoid using any part of your chosen route.

But what if part of that is my route too? Does the better player (ie the one who can work out what their opponent is doing) have to therefore take the dumbest route? Seems unlikely.

So if you both want the same track, it's first in, best dressed. But then you're actively trying to do something that will block the other player.

What you're really asking for is that there be no blocking simply for the sake of blocking, I suspect. Perhaps 'No blocking per se' is the game title to go with.
      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Fri, 04 February 2011 22:24
I've been curious as to what this definition of "blocking" is as well.

I've played the boardgame version of TTR for awhile now, but am new to the online version.

I primarily started playing online with an out-of-state relative who is a TTR fanatic doing mostly private games.

I was floored recently when about 2/3s into a game, a player named trackridergirl came out of nowhere and accused me of blocking. It was one of these "fair" games". I was advised by "her" that the definition of a "fair" game was no "purposeful blocking".

First and foremost, I didn't place any deliberate wagons to block an obvious route of trackridergirl's. All of my wagons directly connected cities in the 4 or 5 tickets I had completed or were completing.

When I asked where I blocked (not because I was sympathetic, but really curious) she said stlouis to nash - part of my ssm to nash that had well under under way.

Unbelievable.

I accept blocking (anyway it's done) as a sound strategy and part of the game. but i do respect that it seems that most players are content just racking up points and tickets and making pretty colored routes over the map. fine.

If you're on your way cross country and someone drops a one or two wagon segment just to burn you, frustrating? hell yes! and that's the only way i see where a "no blocking" policy makes any sort of sense if you're the type of player that is appalled by that.

end of my rant. like i said, i've only played online for a short period. if i didn't enjoy the game so much, i'd be long gone because there really are some ridiculous people here. and there are plenty of great and fun people here too, by the way Smile

don't even get me started on the "can't you play any faster" types.

Cheers Smile
      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Sat, 05 February 2011 01:28
Why did the creators of this game define that routes claimed by one player cannot also be played by another player?
And why did they decide to make a rule that allowes some tracks to be layed only once in 2 and 3 player games but twice in 4 and 5 player games?
If the game was intended to be "non blocking" (whatever your defintion for that shall be) it would have been so easy - simply allow everyone to lay every track - not caring if somebody else has played the same track already.
Writing a program that allowes everyone to play everything would have been a lot easier than what we got ... so why did DOW undergo this effort? Because that's what makes the game interesting!
      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Sat, 05 February 2011 01:35
dea1 wrote on Sat, 05 February 2011 01:28

Why did the creators of this game define that routes claimed by one player cannot also be played by another player?
And why did they decide to make a rule that allowes some tracks to be layed only once in 2 and 3 player games but twice in 4 and 5 player games?
If the game was intended to be "non blocking" (whatever your defintion for that shall be) it would have been so easy - simply allow everyone to lay every track - not caring if somebody else has played the same track already.
Writing a program that allowes everyone to play everything would have been a lot easier than what we got ... so why did DOW undergo this effort? Because that's what makes the game interesting!


Typical comment from a player looking for an excuse to play unfair Twisted Evil
You're probably one of those evil persons who tries to actually win every game as well .....
      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Sat, 05 February 2011 01:44
Typical answer from a player looking for an excuse why he doesn't win every game Twisted Evil Laughing
      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Sat, 05 February 2011 03:17
Here is what I consider to be unfair play: a player joins MY game, which I created; openly reveals his Port-Nash, Sea-NY combination by taking Sea-Por, Nas-Atl, Ny-Pit within his first few moves; then expects me to abide by some code of ethics that he completely made up, whereby I must focus on my own Bos-Mia, KC-Hou combination, while sitting back and letting him complete his 39 ticket points.

[Mis à jour le: Sat, 05 February 2011 17:12]

      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Sat, 05 February 2011 11:49
solinsf wrote on Sat, 05 February 2011 03:17

Here is what I consider to be unfair play: a player joins MY game, which I created; openly reveals his Port-Nash, Sea-NY combination by taking Sea-Por, Nas-Atl, Ny-Pit within his first few moves; then expects me to abide by some code of ethics that he complete made up, whereby I must focus on my own Bos-Mia, KC-Hou combination, while sitting back and letting him complete his 39 ticket points.


You forgot something: you are also supposed to postpone laying your 43th train, until he has drawn some more tickets, so that you give him a chance to complete sea-van, ny-mon and port-san fr

Of course don't forget to congratulate after the game on a job well done .............. Shocked
      
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Nothing More To Add... Sat, 05 February 2011 23:07
LOL at everyone above! Laughing

Brilliant posts, hahahaha!

D.I.S.
      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Sat, 12 February 2011 01:18
Well, I had an unpleasant experience last night where I thought someone was aggressively blocking me, so I decided, "The heck with this!" and started blocking them.

We found ourselves in a game together and the person told me "shameful display". I was like "Seriously?"

Must've been a big miscommunication or lack of communication, but yeah, much more fun and enjoyable when people play the game for the game. Blocking, imo, is too cut throat for how I want to play.
      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Fri, 25 February 2011 21:13
I am a fun player and as such have some sympathy with this thread.

I used to play lots of TTR online but play a lot less and have now moved on to Memoir 44 online instead (Even thought it's still only the beta version)

What i've found is that the people there are generally extremily polite and helpful and the games aim is not just to win points but to have a fun enjoyable game.

Thats not to say i don't enjoy winning, but to be honest i don't even look at my points total as i'm not interested in wether or not i'm a few points higher then the person i'm playing against.

If someone creates a game and wants a fair game, then that should be repected.

There are many other people that want much more competetive games and thats fine as well.

When we play the board game at the club i belong to, we are usually extremily agressive and block at every opportunity.
This type of game can be a lot of fun but in this case only because we know each other well and that is the type of game that we all have agreed will be played.

I only ask that if someone sets up a fair or no blocking game then that is respected

If they do not state that, then "all's fair in love and war!!"

      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Sat, 26 February 2011 02:25
eldonion wrote on Fri, 25 February 2011 21:13



I only ask that if someone sets up a fair or no blocking game then that is respected



Just as long as we all realise that "Fair" has nothing to do with "blocking" or "no blocking".
      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Tue, 17 May 2011 19:14
Oh, did this come back again while I've been ignoring these forums?

Reppuli wrote on Sun, 02 January 2011 13:12

I've understood that the policy was settled as FAIR meaning NO-BLOCKING in year 2008.

And what happens when a player tries the online game out in 2011? Anyway, there's no policy. There's just a convention that some like to use but can't force on others, or even educate all others about.

"No blocking" means "no blocking". If you want no blocking, your best bet is to type "no blocking".

(And here I speak as someone who avoids games labelled "fair"... when I play, and it has been quite a while.)
      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Tue, 08 November 2011 21:52
Dear Reppuli,

My first time on this forum! Searched for my name (curious) and came out on your post! WOW what a post! With a lot of truth in it! I even was ashamed Embarassed of myself after reading this.

My English isn't that good, so i keep it short!

1. I don't look at the title of a game because there is almost no time to look at it. Sometimes the games are so quick occupied, I only look at the map-name and the player-name (with his rank). Often I'm in a 3-5 player game and have to stop the game before it even begins.
So if there is a title "fair, no block ..." I can't see it.

2. I still believe that blocking is a part of the game!

3. I have been banned a few months ago (for a week) for using rude words. I understand now that my behaviour wasn't OK. I appologize for this. I was so fixed to become a top 300 player, I forgot my good-manners.

4. I'm a teacher as well!

5. For a few months now I greet players when they greet me!

6. Want to become a top 200 player but it isn't easy Confused

Hopefully we meet once again in this beautiful game, the day you understand that blocking is part of this game.

ICE-surfer
      
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Re:NON-BLOCKING FAIR GAMES: Top 300 players getting cheap winnings by blocking in FAIR games Fri, 04 May 2012 03:43
I don't play online, but I do think blocking is a part of the games strategy. Now if all I did was block on every turn and didn't care about completing my tickets, that probably would tick me off because at that point, the game would be about who got down to their 2 or less trains first. But to let someone build their route unchallenged doesn't make sense. Do I try to block all routes? No, but I will here and there. And when I get blocked, it makes me look for alternative routes, in other words, it makes me think! Good thoughts everyone!
      
    
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