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Year End Rankings Tue, 25 December 2012 21:53
Yeah, I am going to do this, find out who are the true experten.

Rank alone is not enough, as you can get that through mere persistance

Neither is high rating (as you can get that by not playing all the scenarios), though that will be the base.


So to come out near the top, you need to be a broadly based good player - not just high ranked or high rated.



Official Ranking will count:
1-20 10
21-40 8

And so on down to 100

In addition you get +1 for each 1,000 games played


SFTF Ranking will count
1-10 10

And so on down to 50

In addition you get +1 for each 500 games played



Ranks:

Brig +10
Col +8
Lt Col +5
Maj or less 0

If you are Major or below, you have not yet played and won all scenarios once as each side
If Lt Col, you've only done so once
If Col you have done so twice, and played 25 cadets as an Lt Col


Medals:

The only one I was going to count was advanced historian at +2

The rest are either too common or too luck based


(Edit: Boosted the weighting given to rank)

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Re:Year End Rankings Tue, 25 December 2012 21:59
Example:

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Official 82nd 2
1000+ 1

SFTF 20th 8
<500 0

Brig 10

AH 2

Total = 23
      
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Re:Year End Rankings Tue, 25 December 2012 23:19
Where do you find your sftf ranking ?

Stevie
      
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Re:Year End Rankings Tue, 25 December 2012 23:35
stevie02 wrote on Wed, 26 December 2012 11:19

Where do you find your sftf ranking ?

Stevie


Your account page hass a link to your online ranks , this link takes you to your SFTFF (aka expert) rank http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/scores/?game=MM_ex


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Re:Year End Rankings Tue, 25 December 2012 23:47
Phread
Official 58th 6
3000+ 3

SFTF Not currently ranked 0
<500 0

Brig 10

AH 2

Total = 21

There are other medals I'd recommend - look at the expert or specialist medal categories, and even 2 honour medals (Desert Rats + Afrika Korps).

Medals that you have to play for are worthy, not those which recognise luck.

I still think this ranking is biased to online points rank, I've dropped 50 positions playing (some of) the new scenarios.

By the time I've played and won all new scenarios from both sides I expect to have dropped a couple of hundred ranking positions as I play a wide range of people not just those with high points.
      
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Re:Year End Rankings Wed, 26 December 2012 00:31
I think you can maintain high rank even trying to win scenarios both sides.

Mine has gone up a lot since I stop playing the unfavoured side by preference


Of the expert medals, Advanced Historian is the only on with les than 20 winners that is not based on luck

By definition, Desert Rat and Afrika Corps you would pretty much have by being Lt Col or above.


Maybe I should emphasis rank more?

My aim is to find the best "all round players", neither rank nor rating will achieve that. Though as noted above, rank alone is just a matter of persistance, effectively I am taking rating and weighting it by rank and other criteria


I will do this globally, probably on 1/1/13.

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Re:Year End Rankings Wed, 26 December 2012 00:32
Phread wrote on Tue, 25 December 2012 22:35

stevie02 wrote on Wed, 26 December 2012 11:19

Where do you find your sftf ranking ?

Stevie


Your account page hass a link to your online ranks , this link takes you to your SFTFF (aka expert) rank http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/scores/?game=MM_ex





SFTF rankings tend to be lower, as fewer games are played there.

Ratings on any ELO basis tend to inflate over time
      
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Re:Year End Rankings Wed, 26 December 2012 01:35
van Voort wrote on Wed, 26 December 2012 12:31

I think you can maintain high rank even trying to win scenarios both sides.

Mine has gone up a lot since I stop playing the unfavoured side by preference


Of the expert medals, Advanced Historian is the only on with les than 20 winners that is not based on luck

By definition, Desert Rat and Afrika Corps you would pretty much have by being Lt Col or above.


Maybe I should emphasis rank more?

My aim is to find the best "all round players", neither rank nor rating will achieve that. Though as noted above, rank alone is just a matter of persistance, effectively I am taking rating and weighting it by rank and other criteria


I will do this globally, probably on 1/1/13.


Higher rank, greater than Major takes more wins, more dedication to playing.

Desert Rat, Arnhem, Iwo Jima, Flags of our Fathers, Omaha, both commando specialist medals all take effort to win, not just luck.
      
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Re:Year End Rankings Wed, 26 December 2012 08:08
Desert Rat, Arnhem, Iwo Jima, Flags of our Fathers, Omaha

Yes, but that is weighted into the rank, you cannot be an Lt Col without having all those


The two Commando Specialists have several pages of winners, making it impractical for me to check
      
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Re:Year End Rankings Wed, 26 December 2012 09:07
Actually it is easy to check for each player you are ranking.

Note their player ID number (mine is 499361 for example) and then check their officer career page and you will see all the awards they have.

But this is your ranking system and you are free to rank us however you wish.
Have fun. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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Re:Year End Rankings Wed, 26 December 2012 10:00
Yeah, it is a question of how tedious I want to make this.
      
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Re:Year End Rankings Wed, 26 December 2012 10:20
Van Voort, with the ranking system you propose I think players who play a lot will come out on top. Will your ranking not be a list almost identical to a list ranking who has played the most games?
      
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Re:Year End Rankings Wed, 26 December 2012 10:27
I am not sure about that until I do it

Of the top 20 ranked players, only 6 have played more than 1,000


And there are not that many overall who have played 2,000 or more




I might add in 1 point for winning one of the Tournaments
      
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Re:Year End Rankings Wed, 26 December 2012 10:40
Sounds like a LOT of work!! Smile But if that's fun for you, I'd be interested in seeing the list. Cool
      
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Re:Year End Rankings Wed, 26 December 2012 14:03
I would be interested in the end of year ranking also. It would be a fun way to look at our standing. Smile
      
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Re:Year End Rankings Wed, 26 December 2012 17:01
44th = 6
2000+ = 2
SFTF 2nd = 10 (if I play a game) since I haven't for 15 days = 0
<500 = 0
Brig. Gen = 10

TOTAL = 18 / If I play and expert game = 28
      
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  Re:Year End Rankings Wed, 26 December 2012 23:11
Le message n'a pas de contenu

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Re:Year End Rankings Thu, 27 December 2012 09:15
Twaked slightly

Score for rank is .1 per position above 101 in official

.2 per position above 51 in SFTF.

The full list can be found here:

https://sites.google.com/site/wilphe/m44/year-end-rankings-2 012

29.5 Quit2
27.8 lespieuch
27.6 silenttimo
26.7 Morgiliath
26.4 sam1812
24.9 Mr_Simon
24.8 Buidheo
24.5 Junior72
22.3 Phread
21.9 stevie02
21.8 YERONE
21.3 van Voort
20.8 Nygaard
20.3 Sauron93
20.3 Boxx
19.9 ppodahu
19.1 Artimon
18.8 CH-3975
18.2 DoctorSchizzo
17.9 stevens





The ratings are based on last night, and are active players only

There are plenty of inactive players who would be ranked a lot higher if they were playing.


Also notable:

Of the top 10 official ranked players, 5 are Major or below and 8 do not have a top 50 ranking in SFTF. As such they are too narrowly focused to score highly here

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Re:Year End Rankings Thu, 27 December 2012 09:39
Very tight at the top, if Lespieuch had made Brig - which he seems very close to doing, he would have pipped Quit

Phread, Stevie and Nygaard suffered from not having a top 50 ranking in SFTF


Note that I only looked at:

Top 100 players by offficial rank
+
All Flag Officers
+
All advanced historians


The 127 players listed here are not necessarily the top 127 that you'd get if you rated everybody according to these criteria (but that is not going to happen unless DOW send me the entire database...)
      
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Re:Year End Rankings Thu, 27 December 2012 12:01
Well,

I sure am proud to be high in your ranking.
I am not sure I truly deserve to be that high.
Thanks for the input, however.


But if I had to establish my OWN top ranking, among the 10 best players I have met, you would find :

- Buidheo
- JRyan
- Droopy007
- Lujo
      
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Re:Year End Rankings Thu, 27 December 2012 20:43
I was fortunate to have 2 wins before I went on holiday that took me from #48 to #28 in the DoW rankings. Otherwise I think I would not be in the list above.
      
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Re:Year End Rankings Thu, 27 December 2012 21:19
It would bump you down to below Nygaard, so you would still be up there


Ratings are very grainy with not a lot of difference, if I had the chance I would do it based on absolute rating, probably using a non-linear scale
      
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Re:Year End Rankings Thu, 27 December 2012 21:31
silenttimo wrote on Thu, 27 December 2012 11:01

Well,

I sure am proud to be high in your ranking.
I am not sure I truly deserve to be that high.
Thanks for the input, however.


But if I had to establish my OWN top ranking, among the 10 best players I have met, you would find :

- Buidheo
- JRyan
- Droopy007
- Lujo



Well, you are the best ranked player across both ranking systems

The only reason you aren't top is advanced historian

Jryan is 26th based on Official Scenarios and Rank

Droopy is 62nd based on rank and games played only, not in either top tier at the moment

Lujo - don't know, not in the 127. Possibly not active, there are lots of good players who are not
      
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Re:Year End Rankings Thu, 27 December 2012 22:18
So all I have to do is play one measily game in expert to get my number 2 rank back and I would be ranked at number 2 in your scale. I'll take care of that before the end of the year just for grins. Well maybe?

Cool

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