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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Wed, 23 January 2013 00:37
LooneyLlama wrote on Tue, 22 January 2013 15:45

Van Voort and Vercingetorix, congratulations on an unbelievable struggle! This round is producing some terrific games. Kudos to both of you. Is there any way I can see the replay? I would love to follow your game.

Two 12-11 games and one 12-10. What's in store for us next!!



http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/battle/?id=34 119374

There you go Eric, great battle between the 2 V's that could only end in "V"ictory for one V!!

Very intense, especially for the possession of all 3 plants/factories!
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Wed, 23 January 2013 01:51
LooneyLlama wrote on Tue, 22 January 2013 14:37

Van Voort,

I didn't realize that Stalin was so eloquent. It was probably his speechwriter. It is a great quote. I'll bet you are trying to inspire the troops.


By the way, I don't know if everyone noticed that there is a Stalingrad City of Rubble and Iron scenario that can be combined with Rattenkrieg to make an Overlord battle. I have to say I've never played both together in Overlord but I think it would be pretty interesting.

I'm planning to build it in Vassal for my next Overlord. (I don't know when I'll be able to schedule it yet.)
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Wed, 23 January 2013 01:57
I thought Bob was the Builder, but guess it could also be Sam the Builder!!

No doubt that would be epic, if SN Rattenkrieg is any indication, have not played on Vassal before, have a MAC, is it an easy install?
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Sun, 27 January 2013 03:20
Hi Everyone,

As we wind down the battle for Sgtalingrad, I have been working hard to finalizing the next set of scenarios. I will be on at 3 P.M. East Coast U.S. time tomorrow to playtest some of them with anyone who would like to get a sneak peek. Thanks.

Eric

      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Sun, 27 January 2013 04:50
LooneyLlama wrote on Sat, 26 January 2013 19:20

Hi Everyone,

As we wind down the battle for Sgtalingrad, I have been working hard to finalizing the next set of scenarios. I will be on at 3 P.M. East Coast U.S. time tomorrow to playtest some of them with anyone who would like to get a sneak peek. Thanks.

Eric





Darn, sounds like fun, except I work tomorrow, I work 12pm-8pm EST! Guess I will have to wait for the real thing in the coming rounds, enjoy. Very Happy
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Thu, 31 January 2013 02:53
Hi guys,

Since we have only one battle left to play, I have posted on the SFTF page our next battle, 'Rzhev, The Meat Grinder'. Unfortunately, you can't play it but you can familiarize yourself with the layout and prepare your strategy. Helcat and I played it and I made some changes to aid one side in this final rendition.

Eric

P.S. Helcat, since your side will get the advantage, please let me know ASAP after Jeronimon and Lucky play where you want me to place your advantage. Also, let Sam know who your 2 point player will be so he can set the lineups.

      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Thu, 31 January 2013 03:22
Hmm, As our unit will be infantry and as it won't have any cover on the back line or give retreat options away, nevertheless I take one unit on the frozen river hex of the vazuza river; If I am allowed to choose a sniper, then a sniper please.

Thanks

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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Thu, 31 January 2013 10:43
This battle's soundtrack:

March of the Defenders of Moscow

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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 01 February 2013 00:05
Time for another after round score:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/30626174/jerfotodiv/shame.png

Gheintze keeping the lead firmly, who of the Axis will stop this man? Mad


And to sum up this round for the Axis:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/30626174/jerfotodiv/Hitler%20in%20Winter.jpg

"I'm dreaming of a white Christmas" was Irving Berlin's classic christmas song, immortalized by Bing Crosby in the 1942 Paramount Picture Holiday Inn. Then talented British comic artiest Laurie Taylor used this theme by showing a shivering dejected Hitler sitting forlornly in the snow in this propaganda offering from the venerable Tuck and Sons Ltd.

It captured the plight of the German army outside Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad in 1942, as the Russian winter took it's toll on what initially British and German officers alike thought would be an easy Nazi victory. Unprepared for the frigid cold, many German troops, wearing summer clothing, froze to death; tanks, trucks, planes, and guns failed to function because of the below-zero temperatures. Napoleon's advance a century before was stymied by the Russian winter within sight of Moscow and Hitler suffered the same fate.


Source: Propaganda postcards of World War II by Ron Menchine (ISBN: 1-58221-024-1)
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 01 February 2013 04:15
Well, van Voort's song and Jeronimon's propaganda poster sure are appropo for the third round results.

Sam, I just noticed you had mentioned that you were combining both my Stalingrad scenarios into an Overlord one. Don't forget to eliminate the extra engineer unit in Rattenkrieg and make sure that only one sniper has 2 figures. The other reverts to one. I'd love to play it sometime.

Ok, the 4th scenario is up and ready to go. The Russian advantage of a sniper has been positioned. (Helcat, please check that I have him in the right spot.) Helcat will now let Sam know his 2 point player and then Sam can set the lineups and we can begin. Good luck to everyone.

Eric
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 01 February 2013 04:24
Ok, My 2 pt player will be Lucky91.

The spot is correct. It should be on the last line and that is the best spot.

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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 01 February 2013 06:40
Rzhev: The Meat Grinder. The names of two great scenarios, rolled into one. Rolled? Germans are the masters at making sausages.

I will be the German 2-point player this round, aiming to lead our side to victory. And JAParker and I were talking a couple of nights ago about facing each other one of these days, so now is as good a time as any.

sam1812 (2) vs JAParker
Artimon vs van Voort
clorofila vs Tank Commander
Dugrim vs Jaykay2010
Jeronimon vs Helcat
JJs Juggernaut vs gheintze
LooneyLlama vs Gonzalan
Vercingetorix1302 vs lucky91 (2)

Good luck, and let's have fun.
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 01 February 2013 07:26
Sam,


Great lineup.

Tips for my team: practise both sides because this scenario can be very tricky due to the movement and weather conditions. Don't run in headlong but use your subtle manouvering skills to get the Germans out of their defensive positions. Note that the German special force tank moves 3 the other tanks only 2.


@Jeronimon: I am looking forward to this Dutch encounter.


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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 01 February 2013 08:19

Mad
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 01 February 2013 12:35
Helcat wrote on Fri, 01 February 2013 01:26

Sam,


Great lineup.

Tips for my team: practise both sides because this scenario can be very tricky due to the movement and weather conditions. Don't run in headlong but use your subtle manouvering skills to get the Germans out of their defensive positions. Note that the German special force tank moves 3 the other tanks only 2.


@Jeronimon: I am looking forward to this Dutch encounter.





Please also note that there seems to be a bug, as an Infantry Assault on the left flank does not let the engineers remove wire and battle.

Geoff
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 01 February 2013 15:24
gheintze wrote on Fri, 01 February 2013 04:35

Helcat wrote on Fri, 01 February 2013 01:26

Sam,


Great lineup.

Tips for my team: practise both sides because this scenario can be very tricky due to the movement and weather conditions. Don't run in headlong but use your subtle manouvering skills to get the Germans out of their defensive positions. Note that the German special force tank moves 3 the other tanks only 2.


@Jeronimon: I am looking forward to this Dutch encounter.





Please also note that there seems to be a bug, as an Infantry Assault on the left flank does not let the engineers remove wire and battle.


Gents,

Thanks for the helpful hints, now to apply them in order to gain victory!! Subtle? I am about as subtle as a RUSSIAN BEAR in a china shop!!! Laughing

Will have to rely on the cover of fog, darkness and snow to replace the subtle skills. Van Voort, nice touch and march song, but darn, sure looks cold!!!!

@Looney,

As last time we fought, look forward to another close and intense battle, 3-0 AXIS for now, hope to nullify your head start!!



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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 01 February 2013 17:02
sam1812 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2013 00:40

Rzhev: The Meat Grinder. The names of two great scenarios, rolled into one. Rolled? Germans are the masters at making sausages.




I just had to bring it up. My family happens to be mostly of German heritage and every year we make 300 pounds of German sausage! We mix the meat with our secret family spices (6th generation recipe), and then stuff it into casings with our antique, hand cranked sausage stuffer! So hopefully this scenario will be right down my alley! Very Happy Laughing Very Happy

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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 01 February 2013 17:34
Geoff,

I didn't realize there is a bug. I try to anticipate all of them and let everyone know beforehand. However, this one slipped by me. We will still play it as is. The Allies do have a slight advantage in this scenario. It will make it a little tougher for you guys.



JJ,

That German sausage sounds really good. I'm getting hungry so I think I'll go and have lunch! Oh, by the way, where on the East coast are you? I may have to drive over and get some.

Eric

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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 01 February 2013 19:11
I'm actually in Minnesota, but if you really want some you could always make the drive... Very Happy Laughing Very Happy

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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 01 February 2013 20:34
I'm in Montana!
Your sausage could worth a trip... Smile
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 01 February 2013 21:03
Geoff did you battle first and tried to remove the wire after or the other way around. I seem to recall you have to battle first and then remove the wire.


Sausages in Minnesota, hmmm. Tempting but I don't think I will be visiting there again it he near future. So I'll take your word for it. Cool
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 01 February 2013 21:23
Eric -- I don't think the bug is yours. Perhaps I've just never moved an engineer into close assault with wire before using Inf. Assault. Yes, I did try to battle first. It then happened to my opponent in the rematch...

I don't know if this is a confirmed but or not. I'll need to try again to make sure.

Geoff

Jeronimon wrote on Fri, 01 February 2013 15:03

Geoff did you battle first and tried to remove the wire after or the other way around. I seem to recall you have to battle first and then remove the wire.


Sausages in Minnesota, hmmm. Tempting but I don't think I will be visiting there again it he near future. So I'll take your word for it. Cool

      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 01 February 2013 22:19
gheintze wrote on Fri, 01 February 2013 13:23

Eric -- I don't think the bug is yours. Perhaps I've just never moved an engineer into close assault with wire before using Inf. Assault. Yes, I did try to battle first. It then happened to my opponent in the rematch...

I don't know if this is a confirmed but or not. I'll need to try again to make sure.

Geoff

Jeronimon wrote on Fri, 01 February 2013 15:03

Geoff did you battle first and tried to remove the wire after or the other way around. I seem to recall you have to battle first and then remove the wire.


Sausages in Minnesota, hmmm. Tempting but I don't think I will be visiting there again it he near future. So I'll take your word for it. Cool




An Engineer unit that is on a hex with wire may battle and remove wire. The unit will reduce the number of Battle
dice it rolls by 1 and also remove the wire from a wire hex. The Engineer unit must be able to battle to remove
wire. It may not make a movement of 2 hexes and remove wire. If the Engineer unit, however, is
order by an
Infantry Assault card, it could move 2 hexes, battle and remove wire, but could not move 3 hexes and remove
wire because it could not battle.


Geoff,

The above is from the FAQ, so according to that...
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Sat, 02 February 2013 04:28
gonzalan wrote on Fri, 01 February 2013 14:19

gheintze wrote on Fri, 01 February 2013 13:23

Eric -- I don't think the bug is yours. Perhaps I've just never moved an engineer into close assault with wire before using Inf. Assault. Yes, I did try to battle first. It then happened to my opponent in the rematch...

I don't know if this is a confirmed but or not. I'll need to try again to make sure.

Geoff

Jeronimon wrote on Fri, 01 February 2013 15:03

Geoff did you battle first and tried to remove the wire after or the other way around. I seem to recall you have to battle first and then remove the wire.


Sausages in Minnesota, hmmm. Tempting but I don't think I will be visiting there again it he near future. So I'll take your word for it. Cool




An Engineer unit that is on a hex with wire may battle and remove wire. The unit will reduce the number of Battle
dice it rolls by 1 and also remove the wire from a wire hex. The Engineer unit must be able to battle to remove
wire. It may not make a movement of 2 hexes and remove wire. If the Engineer unit, however, is
order by an
Infantry Assault card, it could move 2 hexes, battle and remove wire, but could not move 3 hexes and remove
wire because it could not battle.


Geoff,

The above is from the FAQ, so according to that...


Eric and Geoff,

Just now played INFANTRY ASSAULT as RUSSIANS on LEFT FLANK, ENGINEERS moved 2, battled and then removed the wire, so that being said....
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Sat, 02 February 2013 04:31
JJs Juggernaut wrote on Fri, 01 February 2013 17:02

sam1812 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2013 00:40

Rzhev: The Meat Grinder. The names of two great scenarios, rolled into one. Rolled? Germans are the masters at making sausages.




I just had to bring it up. My family happens to be mostly of German heritage and every year we make 300 pounds of German sausage! We mix the meat with our secret family spices (6th generation recipe), and then stuff it into casings with our antique, hand cranked sausage stuffer! So hopefully this scenario will be right down my alley! Very Happy Laughing Very Happy



Can you send some of them to the front? Our troops are getting hungry.
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Sat, 02 February 2013 05:35
Helcat wrote on Fri, 01 February 2013 22:31

Can you send some of them to the front? Our troops are getting hungry.


Come to our nice prison camps. We'll feed you. Very Happy
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Mon, 04 February 2013 01:27
Eric, just a quick clarification/reminder: we are not allowed to use Behind the Enemy Lines with our anti-tank infantry unit, correct?
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Mon, 04 February 2013 01:57
You are allowed by the current implementation Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation

You could use it to add one extra die to the rolls - if you don't move. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Are you seeking a gentlemen's agreement not to scoot and shoot with it Question Question Question
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Mon, 04 February 2013 02:25
clorofila wrote on Sun, 03 February 2013 17:27

Eric, just a quick clarification/reminder: we are not allowed to use Behind the Enemy Lines with our anti-tank infantry unit, correct?


Also, on another thread, there is a bug where you can use anti-tank units for BEL. I can't write the scenario to try to avoid this bug so let's all 'play by the rules' and not use this unit for BEL. I've tried to write our scenarios as best I could to avoid these bugs. If anyone comes across one let me know. Sometimes the bug works in our favor. The multi hex medal objectives in Stalingrad are not in the regular scenarios and are a lot of fun. I can make 2 figure snipers and 4 figure Finnish ski troops so there are some that I can take advantage of.

André - Clorofila,

Eric posted this on this thread, page 4, so thought it was agreed upon any SWA got not BEL.

      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Mon, 04 February 2013 02:41
I think it was explained that it was not a bug (programed before a late Richard Borg ruling that conflicted with the way it was Online).

Note that a late war SW infantry could indeed make use of BEL to move and battle but not be able to use the special combat ablility at the same time.
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Mon, 04 February 2013 23:56
tank commander wrote on Sun, 03 February 2013 18:41

I think it was explained that it was not a bug (programed before a late Richard Borg ruling that conflicted with the way it was Online).

Note that a late war SW infantry could indeed make use of BEL to move and battle but not be able to use the special combat ablility at the same time.


Ok, what is considered "late war" and by special ability, would that be that it doesn't hit ARMOR on STARS, would that not be difficult to enforce online?

Guess it Will just have to be agreed upon prior to the match, to BEL or not to BEL. Very Happy
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Tue, 05 February 2013 00:03
For this, and all future scenarios in our tournament, please do not use the BEL card with anti-tank units. We will consider it my house rule. Thanks.

Eric
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Tue, 05 February 2013 01:55
LooneyLlama wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 16:03

For this, and all future scenarios in our tournament, please do not use the BEL card with anti-tank units. We will consider it my house rule. Thanks.

Eric


Eric,

Thank you for that clarification! Would have hated to AMBUSH your SWA Unit in our match! Shocked

Your house, your rules and as an invited guest I shall abide by them!! Thanks for all the fun.
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Tue, 05 February 2013 09:25
LooneyLlama wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 23:03

For this, and all future scenarios in our tournament, please do not use the BEL card with anti-tank units. We will consider it my house rule. Thanks.

Eric


Sorry, Eric, just one more thing: no BEL with the anti-tank, even if we chose not to move before shooting?
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Tue, 05 February 2013 11:25
gonzalan wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 17:56

tank commander wrote on Sun, 03 February 2013 18:41

I think it was explained that it was not a bug (programed before a late Richard Borg ruling that conflicted with the way it was Online).

Note that a late war SW infantry could indeed make use of BEL to move and battle but not be able to use the special combat ablility at the same time.


Ok, what is considered "late war" and by special ability, would that be that it doesn't hit ARMOR on STARS, would that not be difficult to enforce online?

Guess it Will just have to be agreed upon prior to the match, to BEL or not to BEL. Very Happy


Going by the EE Rulebook, Late War is Late 1942 (Early War 1939 - mid 1942).

Also, I do not know how that would be handled Online.
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Sun, 10 February 2013 21:38
I wont give my final opinion on the scenario yet as there are matches to be played yet.

But I will say this: I feel the battle favors the Germans a little but they, in my opinion, can have a more straight forward strategy. The Russians have more options and more problems and need to choose constantly (also because of only four cards). So whereas the Germans have a better chance at victory I think playing the Russians is much more fun!

More insights later after everybody has played. (If you are not bored of me then Wink )
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Sun, 10 February 2013 21:56
Nobody will ever convince me that 5 cards shouldn't be the minimum hand size. 4 cards (and 3!) will spoil any fun scenario Razz
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Sun, 10 February 2013 22:11
3 is indeed very little, but 4 can reflect bad chain of commands and bad leadership very well. For this scenario I don't dislike it because you know the enemy also has only four cards. It takes a careful managing of your hand and troops to a higher level.

And it makes it very dangerous to gamble on what card might come next, but now and then you just have to cross your fingers, plunge into the deep end of the pool and hope the next card will support your strategy. (Which it not always does, I can tell you that. Rolling Eyes )
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Mon, 11 February 2013 01:12
Hi guys,

If you don't like 4 cards(I went round and round on whether to use 4 or 5, but opted on 4 due to very poor communication for both sides and horrible weather) then our final scenario,
'Berlin', where the Axis has only 3 cards, you're really not going to like! I've played it and I thought it was too few but it plays out really well.

By the way, tomorrow I am going to post all my 1943 scenarios(4 or 5). Helcat and Sam will each pick one scenario they would like to play. We will only play 2 scenarios fom 1943.

Eric
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Mon, 11 February 2013 12:15
Just to clarify my position. I do not mind having fewer cards and as stated this does represent a poor chain of command and leaves you as "field commander" with very little options.

I have not played van Voorts scenario yet but will try to manage the Germans as well as I can when those above me in Berlin can't give me better support! Razz
      
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