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Free Play Sun, 26 May 2013 09:24
Seems that lately I have been encountering a lot of Cadets and Second Lt's with a lot of experience playing M44.
When asked they say that they just do not want to pay for the game so they take advantage of the system.

Seems at some point they should chip in like the rest of us and pay DoW...

Just my 2 cents worth!
      
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Re:Free Play Sun, 26 May 2013 10:02
It's actually been a feature since 'Steam' came online, 50 free ingots is a good deal but if those handful of free games doesn't hook them then I'm not sure what else can be done.

I agree there are load of 2nd Lt's who have a marvelous grip of the game, that only comes with playing online. Multiple email address' means they keep signing up as someone new.

M44 needs to sell itself a bit more, it's withering on the vine.

Stevie
      
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Re:Free Play Sun, 26 May 2013 10:10
Actually, I think that sdnative might have been talking about the two scenarios that people can play for free any time they want (even after they run out of Ingots). They aren't the most interesting scenarios, but they are free.

I don't have a problem with people continuing to enjoy the free scenarios. DoW put them out there for a reason. Smile It would be great for people to buy into the system and support the game, but it's not like they found a loop-hole or anything. It's just the nature of the beast.

I hope that DoW finds time and manpower to continue improving the Online game, and that might help pull other players into the paying model, but then again, it might not. Some people just really don't like the Ingot system that DoW has, so there might be a handful of people who just keep playing the free battles.
      
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Re:Free Play Sun, 26 May 2013 18:43
Actually Ras Stevie had it right!
I think the 2 free games is OK It's just playing against a 2nd Lt. who has 6 or so games under his belt who knows how to play the most difficult scenarios like Red Barricades without even stopping to think.

I have asked a few of them and they say they do not care about rank they just want to play for free and the have the ability to play all the scenarios for free over and over by just switching emails.

In my opinion players who play for free should be limited to just maybe 2 scenarios from each theater and if this does not captivate them to spend $8 I do not know what will.
      
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Re:Free Play Sun, 26 May 2013 19:03
sdnative wrote on Sun, 26 May 2013 20:43

Actually Ras Stevie had it right!
I think the 2 free games is OK It's just playing against a 2nd Lt. who has 6 or so games under his belt who knows how to play the most difficult scenarios like Red Barricades without even stopping to think.

I have asked a few of them and they say they do not care about rank they just want to play for free and the have the ability to play all the scenarios for free over and over by just switching emails.

In my opinion players who play for free should be limited to just maybe 2 scenarios from each theater and if this does not captivate them to spend $8 I do not know what will.


Ah, my mistake. Thanks for explaining. That does sound like an 'interesting' way of cheating the system...

I wonder if DoW can track that kind of thing, or if it's just the nature of the world these days (and a sad world at that). Razz
      
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Re:Free Play Sun, 26 May 2013 22:32
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Re:Free Play Sun, 26 May 2013 23:23
rasmussen81 wrote on Mon, 27 May 2013 05:03

sdnative wrote on Sun, 26 May 2013 20:43

Actually Ras Stevie had it right!
I think the 2 free games is OK It's just playing against a 2nd Lt. who has 6 or so games under his belt who knows how to play the most difficult scenarios like Red Barricades without even stopping to think.

I have asked a few of them and they say they do not care about rank they just want to play for free and the have the ability to play all the scenarios for free over and over by just switching emails.

In my opinion players who play for free should be limited to just maybe 2 scenarios from each theater and if this does not captivate them to spend $8 I do not know what will.


Ah, my mistake. Thanks for explaining. That does sound like an 'interesting' way of cheating the system...

I wonder if DoW can track that kind of thing, or if it's just the nature of the world these days (and a sad world at that). Razz


If DoW was/is able to record the IP addresses (or MAC addresses) of the "free" players then DoW may be able to identify people creating new accounts for free play.

But, is that effort worth it? So if a few players scam the system who much time (which equals money) should DoW spend to catch/prevent them? I don't think there'd be any return on this investment. I'd rather DoW spend time and effort enhancing the M44 online game to attract and retain active paying players.

The suggestion to restrict free play to a subset of scenarios is a reasonable idea - which two scenarios from each front would you suggest.

West
Pegasus Bridge
Juno Beach

Eastern
Poynri
Breakout to Lisyanka

Mediterranean
Montelimar
Escape via the Coastal Road

Pacific
Slopes of Mount Austen
Sugar Loaf and Half Moon

What would be your 8 scenarios?
      
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Re:Free Play Mon, 27 May 2013 00:37
There is no point in trying to track actual people in the internet: that's a job for some (very few) governmental agencies in the world, far from reach for most companies. Remember the amount of public machines with internet access or the number of schemes available to mask someone's digital presence - not to mention computers or computer network's which share a digital signature like the IP address and are used by a variety of people.

I'd say a limitation of scenarios available to play with the free account would do it, but I'm not even sure if what we're talking about in here is truly a problem - or even if DoW sees it as one Smile

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Re:Free Play Mon, 27 May 2013 00:45
clorofila wrote on Mon, 27 May 2013 02:37

There is no point in trying to track actual people in the internet: that's a job for some (very few) governmental agencies in the world, far from reach for most companies. Remember the amount of public machines with internet access or the number of schemes available to mask someone's digital presence - not to mention computers or computer network's which share a digital signature like the IP address and are used by a variety of people.


I agree, and I don't imagine DoW would want to spend money on tracking people. Would that even be legal? I have no idea...

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I'd say a limitation of scenarios available to play with the free account would do it, but I'm not even sure if what we're talking about in here is truly a problem - or even if DoW sees it as one Smile


The idea of limited scenarios for the free account is an interesting one, but remember that with your free battles you are meant to start your journey toward promotion and improvement. To advance through the military ranks, you have to be able to play several scenarios that might not be on a list of 2 per front.

I also have no idea if DoW sees this as a big problem, though with this conversation, at least now they know about it if they didn't before. Very Happy
      
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Re:Free Play Mon, 27 May 2013 08:06
I think that DoW should get paid for all their hard work and the money they are losing might be costing us some future developments in the game.

If those players would go to the hassle of starting over and resetting another email, than they must like playing the game and would probably pay but in their minds its why should I if I can get away without paying.

Just played a Cadet with ZERO games 3 times and I know for sure he was no rookie!

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Re:Free Play Mon, 27 May 2013 08:13
Phread wrote on Sun, 26 May 2013 14:23

rasmussen81 wrote on Mon, 27 May 2013 05:03

sdnative wrote on Sun, 26 May 2013 20:43

Actually Ras Stevie had it right!
I think the 2 free games is OK It's just playing against a 2nd Lt. who has 6 or so games under his belt who knows how to play the most difficult scenarios like Red Barricades without even stopping to think.

I have asked a few of them and they say they do not care about rank they just want to play for free and the have the ability to play all the scenarios for free over and over by just switching emails.

In my opinion players who play for free should be limited to just maybe 2 scenarios from each theater and if this does not captivate them to spend $8 I do not know what will.


Ah, my mistake. Thanks for explaining. That does sound like an 'interesting' way of cheating the system...

I wonder if DoW can track that kind of thing, or if it's just the nature of the world these days (and a sad world at that). Razz


If DoW was/is able to record the IP addresses (or MAC addresses) of the "free" players then DoW may be able to identify people creating new accounts for free play.

But, is that effort worth it? So if a few players scam the system who much time (which equals money) should DoW spend to catch/prevent them? I don't think there'd be any return on this investment. I'd rather DoW spend time and effort enhancing the M44 online game to attract and retain active paying players.

The suggestion to restrict free play to a subset of scenarios is a reasonable idea - which two scenarios from each front would you suggest.

West
Pegasus Bridge
Juno Beach

Eastern
Poynri
Breakout to Lisyanka

Mediterranean
Montelimar
Escape via the Coastal Road

Pacific
Slopes of Mount Austen
Sugar Loaf and Half Moon

What would be your 8 scenarios?



Phread I like your list! except how about taking out Slopes of Mt. Austen and putting in Wake Island..... Razz
      
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Re:Free Play Mon, 27 May 2013 08:14
Dietrich von Kleist wrote on Sun, 26 May 2013 13:32

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Re:Free Play Mon, 27 May 2013 09:16
sdnative wrote on Mon, 27 May 2013 10:06

Just played a Cadet with ZERO games 3 times and I know for sure he was no rookie!


Just a word of caution...

We can't assume that because they have played 0 times Online, they are new to Memoir '44. Players could have played hundreds of battles using the board game and be excellent players but only be discovering the online game now.

We might also be tempted to look at how they interact with the Online game (knowing what to do, knowing how to use the system, etc) and assume that they've played a lot online, but they could have just watched the Tutorial really carefully.

Assumptions can be risky things. Not to say there aren't people starting new accounts with different e-mails (because I imagine some people are doing that) but we can't assume that every Cadet who knows how to play is gaming the system. Cool
      
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Re:Free Play Mon, 27 May 2013 11:17
At least one person who shall not be named has the same handle with different numbers after it

He is now up to 170 or so


I don't begrudge this, because its for DOW to decide if what they get from giving away 50 free ignots is worth having a handful of people play for free more or less for ever
      
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Re:Free Play Mon, 27 May 2013 11:51
If its who I'm thinking of, I assumed he/they were a clan !!
      
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Re:Free Play Mon, 27 May 2013 12:06
van Voort wrote on Mon, 27 May 2013 13:17

At least one person who shall not be named has the same handle with different numbers after it

He is now up to 170 or so


I don't begrudge this, because its for DOW to decide if what they get from giving away 50 free ignots is worth having a handful of people play for free more or less for ever


That does seem like a misuse of the system and might be worth reporting to DoW. Who knows if they will (or can) do much about it, but like you said, it's up to them.

Personally, it doesn't change the fun other people can have with the game, but I can definitely see how it would bother people!
      
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Re:Free Play Mon, 27 May 2013 18:00
I have played and talked to the one player in question and he has done it many many times and does not care.

Ras it does affect play with the points system as a higher ranking player will lose a LOT of points losing to a Cadet who in theory is supposed to be the less experienced player. Sad

We have brought this to light and now it is up to the folks at DoW to decide what they want to do with it. Confused
      
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Re:Free Play Mon, 27 May 2013 18:03
A friend finally paid his $8 or whatever, because he got tired of playing just Pegasus Bridge and Juno Beach.

Days of Wonder made a mistake letting people on the free trial play anything. Now we got a number of people who play for free (e.g. 3000+ games) by switching accounts. And we wonder why they don't add anything new to the online game!

I think it's time they got rid of the free trial and just set 6 more scenarios to 0 credits. Maybe this will give people a taste of the game, and make them pony up $30.

Pacific: Clearing Matanikau River & Wake Island
Eastern: Breakout at Klin & Rzhev
Mediterranean: Flanking Maneuver at Bir Hakeim and 1st Armoured to the Rescue.

They're not the best scenarios, but I'd play these more if they were 0 G.I.s, as I did Juno Beach.
      
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Re:Free Play Tue, 28 May 2013 16:32
Dietrich von Kleist wrote on Sun, 26 May 2013 22:32

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Re:Free Play Tue, 28 May 2013 21:07
So a month or so ago I posted an article that I came across with the days of wonder CEO. You can see the thread here:

http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?th=27129&start=0

I think that it addresses this topic a little bit. I don't remember exactly but I remember the CEO saying that they like to use the online platform to introduce the game to people and give them a chance to try it. I don't think the CEO said this but I guess in my mind after reading the article it seemed like they wanted to use the online game system to introduce people to the game but in the long run the hope was that people would then go out and get the board game. Don't quote me on that because as I'm remembering now that was probably just my thoughts to the article.

If that is so then in the end what DOW is really hoping for is that people will get into the game enough by being able to try it online that they want to have the actual game. In the end I think that is what DOW is all about, getting people together face to face to play. Now of course that approach has advantages and disadvantages as we're discussing here. Personally I would rather play face to face but you just can't always find people to do that that is why the online format is such an awesome outlet to be able to play the game.

It seems like what really matters is what is the goal of the online game: to introduce people to the game? Or is it suppose to be the main vehicle for how DOW would like the game to be played? I guess it doesn't have to be either or it could be both but maybe at this point DOW isn't sure which direction they want to go with it.

Anyways that is my thoughts on the topic. Love the game DOW, keep it coming!
      
    
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