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JFKoski
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Problem: lack of After Action Reports Mon, 18 July 2011 20:44
I've played the board game 50 times this year so far. Mainly Air Pack, Winter Wars with a couple Breakthrough and Overlord scenarios each. Unfortunately, I found that the number of After Action Reports for most of these scenarios is not statistically significant (i.e. <25).

At first I thought the problem was that Winter Wars was so new that not enough people who write were playing it. Then I figured the problem was that the Air Pack scenarios are Classified, while the originals they modified were unclassified, so people might be recording their games there. (Perhaps for the Classified scenarios D.O.W. might note which expansion pack it's from.)

Now I know people are interested in the computer game, but judging by the dates, this was a problem before that came out.

One of my joys of playing Memoir '44 is recording my games, but I can do that at home on a card or paper. I really miss being part of the community that's determining the balance of scenarios: 50/50, 60/40, 70/30, etc. I never saw a feature like this for the similarly styled game, Battle Cry, and maybe that's why its stayed on my shelf a lot.
      
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Re:Problem: lack of After Action Reports Tue, 19 July 2011 07:33
Hi.

Try this if you want.

http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/battles/mybattles/

I played against Tank Commander all the scenario's both sides for Winter Wars on vassal and also the campaign book and many other battles.

He makes every time the AAR and is a very good writer.

Also we make logfiles on vassal for those games.

Maybe this is what you are looking for?

Cheers.
      
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Re:Problem: lack of After Action Reports Tue, 19 July 2011 14:23
Well, all except two of the official Overlord scenarios have 25+ AARs (I've submitted quite a few myself). And raw number of entries isn't the sole determinant of statistical significance anyway. And even if it was, I'm not sure what it would matter at least to me. I try to look for balanced games since I play a lot of Overlord with public groups, but my first criteria is . . . will it be fun to play? I also like variety and to use all the expansions I dropped $$ on, so time to use that Air Pack more for sure.

It seems like you're really bemoaning the lack of community here at least when it comes to recording games. I typically find a lot better AARs on boardgamegeek.com. Folks post results and pictures and strategies from their games.

Having said that, the discussion about rules, gameplay, DOW gossip and the like is much better here. Also there is a core set of members here who seem to know each other quite well at least through these board. That's community.

      
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Re:Problem: lack of After Action Reports Tue, 19 July 2011 21:00
I think one of the points "jfkoski" is making is that the Air Pack version of the scenarios do not get much attention with respect to AARs compared with the original version of the scenario.

Take "Arracourt" (randomly) for example. The original scenario has 556 AARs whereas the Air Pack version has 8.

I think what is going on here is two things: 1) most people probably play without the air rules and/or 2) they post results under the original scenario.

For Air Pack scenarios, look to the original scenario for an idea of how balanced the scenario is, because the air rules and air pack revisions are not going to change the scenario that much.
      
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Re:Problem: lack of After Action Reports Thu, 22 September 2011 21:40
Yes, I mostly agree with Sgt Storm.

Now that I got a computer to play the online game, I've played 300x. It has a feature that's supposed to let you write After Action Reports, but it doesn't work.

I decided to go back over a week or so and enter AARs from the career results they let you download as Excel file. It didn't tell me the details of the battle, just the results and opponents. But these are nearly all from the base game, and the army pack expansions, so they already had a lot of AARs.

I doubt if my 8 (let's say) new AARs for a scenario having 200+ AARs would change the percentage.

To the other point, I've found that having an Air Sortie card can be useful in taking a shot at either the baseline or an artillery position. It's usually not so great to keep flying around at the risk of losing a medal. But I think this could change the results by at least 5%. For example, Gallabat & Mettema is hopeless for the Axis without the plane.

Note: Air Pack scenarios are not part of the online game.

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Re:Problem: lack of After Action Reports Thu, 29 August 2013 06:26
I found my thread from a couple years ago.

This week we were discussing what scenarios from the Equipment Pack to add to the Vassal Ladder tournament. Each round (~month) there's about 8 matches of 2 games each. For those games in the past, several of these were posted as AARs. When they played a Winter Wars scenario for instance, some people posted their match and it increased the stats. I consider 50 AARs to be reliable, 25 to be suggestive, and less to be iffy.

Wardin is now above 50, at 43% Allies,
Clervaux the Road to Bastogne is 69, with 30% Allies,
Peiper at Stoumont BT has 44, with 45% Allies,
Battle in the Schnee Eifel has 47 (no ladder match) with 21% Allies,
Some of the others have less, but I'm glad to see stats for these scenarios become meaningful.

I've said elsewhere that it's a problem for AARs that there are multiple versions for some scenarios (all in Air Pack book). For instance, people just go to the unclassified and post their Air Rules games (or for 3 scenarios, the countryside version and post their Winter Wars games).
The classified scenarios should say what expansion they came from: "Classified - available in ...."
Where there's multiple scenarios by the same name, instead of carrots > each title could say where it comes from, like "Relief of Peiper", "Relief of Peiper-Air Pack", and "Relief of Peiper-Winter Wars".
If you want to see stats for Relief of Peiper from Winter Wars, forget it.

What's interesting is that the % is reversed for a Pacific scenario and the same scenario with Air Rules: Mabatang - 62% Allies on 98 AARs, and 64% Japanese on 22 AARs! Who knows how Air Rules affect balance without AARs?

Anyway, this note is to encourage those who play scenarios from expansions not in the Online game (which has thousands of plays and keeps its own stats) to post AARs for games against other players (I'm not at all interested in your solo-play stats or games against Johnny). That might help you build a service record, as well as help other people thinking of playing that scenario.

I've looked at the #s of AAR's for Equipment Pack scenarios, and none have gone above 25 and some are still below 10. Who can say what's balanced without stats to back it up? Help us out would you?

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JFKoski wrote on Thu, 22 September 2011 15:40

For example, Gallabat & Mettema is hopeless for the Axis without the plane.

I found that if you use Italian High Command (start w/6 cards and lose 1 per unit loss until down to 3) vs BCF rules, it gives the Italians a little more options to go on the offensive.
Since hardly anyone posts games in the classified,Air Pack version of the scenarios, I've been using that as a place to post my AARs when I try variants (e.g. w/winter cards, w/urban cards, w/BT deck, etc.).

[Mis à jour le: Thu, 29 August 2013 06:36]

      
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Re:Problem: lack of After Action Reports Thu, 29 August 2013 10:00
I have been playing very often with a group of friends, overlord, breakthrough and standard. But every time I have gone to enter in a battle report on here the images in the right of the screen overlap the section where the medal count is entered and I am unable to select anything therefor can not enter a battle report.

I have tried disabling pugins and the such and tried reverting back before certain updates with my browser (when I could enter reports in) but all has failed so I have about 30 games that i havent been able to submit plays for. very strange as like i said I use to be able to enter them in, I haven't changed anything just updated windows when required (But i have tried reverting back to a point where I could enter reports) I do remember though, that around when the art to the left and right of screen came into being was around the time I wasnt able to enter them anymore.
      
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Re:Problem: lack of After Action Reports Thu, 29 August 2013 10:52
Aussie_Digger wrote on Thu, 29 August 2013 10:00

I have been playing very often with a group of friends, overlord, breakthrough and standard. But every time I have gone to enter in a battle report on here the images in the right of the screen overlap the section where the medal count is entered and I am unable to select anything therefor can not enter a battle report.

I have tried disabling pugins and the such and tried reverting back before certain updates with my browser (when I could enter reports in) but all has failed so I have about 30 games that i havent been able to submit plays for. very strange as like i said I use to be able to enter them in, I haven't changed anything just updated windows when required (But i have tried reverting back to a point where I could enter reports) I do remember though, that around when the art to the left and right of screen came into being was around the time I wasnt able to enter them anymore.



How low is your screen resolution?
      
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Re:Problem: lack of After Action Reports Thu, 29 August 2013 13:06
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Re:Problem: lack of After Action Reports Fri, 30 August 2013 14:21
Aussie_Digger wrote on Thu, 29 August 2013 13:06

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Then it must be a problem with your browser.
      
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Re:Problem: lack of After Action Reports Fri, 30 August 2013 15:16
Aussie_Digger wrote on Thu, 29 August 2013 10:00

I have been playing very often with a group of friends, overlord, breakthrough and standard. But every time I have gone to enter in a battle report on here the images in the right of the screen overlap the section where the medal count is entered and I am unable to select anything therefor can not enter a battle report.

I have tried disabling pugins and the such and tried reverting back before certain updates with my browser (when I could enter reports in) but all has failed so I have about 30 games that i havent been able to submit plays for. very strange as like i said I use to be able to enter them in, I haven't changed anything just updated windows when required (But i have tried reverting back to a point where I could enter reports) I do remember though, that around when the art to the left and right of screen came into being was around the time I wasnt able to enter them anymore.



Run your web browser WITHOUT any add ons. If it's Internet Explorer on Windows, go to Start --> Search for "Internet Explorer (no add ons)"

Any of the complements might have messed up your web browser.

For Google Chrome try to disable all the Extensions under the Tools Menu.

Hope this helps.
      
    
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