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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Sun, 17 November 2013 13:33
Drake demande s'il n'y a pas un joueur en réserve pour rejoindre notre groupe et rester à 7.
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Sun, 17 November 2013 13:39
OK.

No news about another player late, you were the only one Smile
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Mon, 18 November 2013 03:11
I don't speak french, but yes I was talking about group D to get to 7, otherwise there is the headache of figuring out who makes it to the semi-finals when all groups aren't even.

      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Mon, 18 November 2013 03:21
ATN Drake écrit le Mon, 18 November 2013 03:11

I don't speak french, but yes I was talking about group D to get to 7, otherwise there is the headache of figuring out who makes it to the semi-finals when all groups aren't even.




Quote:

TOP 2 of each group proceed to Semifinals


So no problem this year Smile
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Tue, 10 December 2013 06:11
Not sure I understand the semi-finals for MPWC.

Its says 5 5ers and 4 4ers, but this is way too skewed towards 5ers. Should be like 4 5ers and 7 4ers, or something like that.

Each group will have 6 players, and Group D had 6 players and they played 5 5ers and 10 4ers. So a 1:2 ratio seems better than 5:4 ratio!!

5ers are more influenced by turn order and the scoring for a 1st place finish is probably higher than it should be (9 points currently, but maybe should only be Cool.

And was the idea of getting the semi finals done in one session scrapped?
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Wed, 11 December 2013 19:20
Groups are finished! No TD phase this year Smile

I am going to publish the semifinal groups now (the ones on Ticki are wrong)
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Wed, 11 December 2013 19:28
SEMIFINALS:

GROUP G

utih
Kostass
alfredelopold
Zil-Bergerac
LeGoupil
Drake


GROUP H

Will
Vassilis
morientes
lirex
Val
Onyx Puffin
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Wed, 11 December 2013 19:29
Groups are made according to better averages of first placed players in first phase
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Thu, 12 December 2013 11:47
Answer to Drake:

this is a compromise between the original idea of playing semifinal of 5 players and the trouble that we have 6 groups so 12 players going to semifinal.

We created a new shorter format for semifinals that can be played in 2 session easily to keep the idea of making the semifinal phase shorter.

In case of 7 groups we would have gone for 3 semifinal groups of 5 players. Just the best numbers fitting the number of groups available.
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Thu, 12 December 2013 12:36
Qorlas wrote on Wed, 11 December 2013 20:20

Groups are finished! No TD phase this year Smile

I am going to publish the semifinal groups now (the ones on Ticki are wrong)


but :

Qorlas wrote on Sun, 10 November 2013 21:24


2) SEMIFINALS
Two groups of 6 player each.
The first phase groups are considered according to the average points of the 1st placed player.

Group G:
1° Group A (player 1)
1° Group D (player 2)
1° Group E (player 3)
2° Group B (player 4)
2° Group C (player 5)
2° Group F (player 6)

Group H:
1° Group B
1° Group C
1° Group F
2° Group A
2° Group D
2° Group E

FORMAT: 12 games total





Checking the rules please
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Thu, 12 December 2013 12:48
Group A becomes the group with the first placed player with the better average.

In the grouping for semifinals:

Group E became group A
Group F --> Group B
Group D --> Group C
Group C --> Group D
etc.. etcc.

check the average of first placed player and re-name the groups Smile
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Thu, 12 December 2013 13:20
I'll mention 1 more time I think there are too many 5ers and not enough 4ers in the semi-finals. Too late now to do much about it, but I did notice another thing -

The match ups aren't fair/correct or whatever you want to call it. For the 4 4ers, each player plays against 2 opponents 3 times, and the other 3 opponents twice (would be nice if it was equal, but oh well). Either way, there is still a problem:

For my group it looks like this for who each plays 3 times:
1st Seed vs. 4th/6th seed
2nd Seed vs. 5th/6th seed
3rd Seed vs. 4th/5th seed
4th Seed vs. 1st/3rd seed
5th Seed vs. 2nd/3rd seed
6th Seed vs. 1st/2nd seed

Just looking at this, clearly 2nd seed has easier schedule than 1st seed, and 5th seed easier than 4th seed. Those should be switched.

      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Thu, 12 December 2013 13:37
In the 4players you have to look at the times you play against a 1st placed or against a 2nd placed.

I made the combinations in a way all the 4players games have 2 1st placed and 2 2nd placed players. That is the unbalance on the schedule made in a way to avoid unbalanced games between 3 1st placed and 1 2nd or 1 1st placed and 3 2nd.
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Thu, 12 December 2013 13:43
regarding the schedule of 4p you are right!

Here it is the corrected scheme for the 4players game, please correct Ticki.

1-2-5-6 (14)
1-2-4-6 (13)
1-3-5-6 (15)
1-3-4-5 (13)
2-3-4-5 (14)
2-3-4-6 (15)
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Thu, 12 December 2013 13:45
for the unbalance of 4p and 5p....

it changes during the phases.

You can say that the 1st phase format is unbalanced towards 4p games while the semifinal is unbalanced towards 5p.
Last chance to final is only 4p.

So every phase has its peculiarities.
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Thu, 12 December 2013 13:51
Qorlas wrote on Thu, 12 December 2013 04:37

In the 4players you have to look at the times you play against a 1st placed or against a 2nd placed.

I made the combinations in a way all the 4players games have 2 1st placed and 2 2nd placed players. That is the unbalance on the schedule made in a way to avoid unbalanced games between 3 1st placed and 1 2nd or 1 1st placed and 3 2nd.


Just odd that you created a new "seeding" based on rank and average score (which may or may not be the best way to do it, but you did), and then you used this seeding to place players in the 2 different groups. So now we have 2 groups "seeded", but then you don't use the new seeding to make the game match ups. You go back and use the ranking in the first round.

After the new seeding, it seems irrelevant whether a player placed first or second in the previous round (since all results are reset to 0), and this new seeding should have everyone in order of "strength".

      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Thu, 12 December 2013 13:58
I am doing this seeding in semifinal from edition 1

In this way we have 3 1st and 3 2nd for each group.
(and last editions 1 group had 3 1st, 2 2nd and one 3rd and the other group the remaining ones)

Regarding the match-ups: I corrected the mistake in the other post no?

[Mis à jour le: Thu, 12 December 2013 13:59]

      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Thu, 12 December 2013 14:00
If we play 21 games per group, it will be easier for me Wink
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Tue, 14 January 2014 01:31
Last chance for Final
Utih
Lirex
Will
LeGoupil

When do you guys want to play it ?
I suggest Wednesday 10pm if it is ok for you. Other options this WE if you prefer. It's only four games, we'll be done quick Smile
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Wed, 15 January 2014 13:36
Today 22 CET works for me
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Thu, 16 January 2014 19:24
I can do this Saturday or Sunday most of the time but need a little notice.

Will
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Thu, 16 January 2014 19:58
Sunday 10pm ? Is it ok for everyone ?
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Fri, 17 January 2014 09:56
it will be no doubt... are you talking CET or proper GMT time?
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Fri, 17 January 2014 15:58
CET of course.
I'll send pm to everyone.

      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Fri, 17 January 2014 18:33
Sunday possible. 22 CET or also earlier.
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Sat, 18 January 2014 18:31
Sunday 9pm CET it is !
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Wed, 22 January 2014 06:02
So who made it to the finals, and when are we playing!!

Best days for me are wed and thurs. at 21:00 CET this week or next.
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Wed, 22 January 2014 08:35
Thanks to all players from last chance to final to have posted the results and/or updated tickipedia and/ot just posted that the games were played Evil or Very Mad

Finalists are Val kostasss Vassilis DrakeStorm and lirex
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Wed, 22 January 2014 12:28
Hi all

congrats to lirex for his place to final!

I and vasilis I think are ok with drakes proposal.

      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Wed, 22 January 2014 15:28
@ Knockando:
You're completetly right, maybe it was my part to do this
I apologize for a suboptimal communication.

For the final:
The proposals are fine with me. Both days, both weeks are possible.

I'm looking forward to it.
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Sat, 25 January 2014 21:49
I thought I could play wed. and thurs., but I cannot. Instead I could play Tuesday or Friday starting as early as 20:00 CET.

[Mis à jour le: Sun, 26 January 2014 22:41]

      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Mon, 27 January 2014 13:10
Suits me

2000 CET and later all weekdays.

Val
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Mon, 27 January 2014 22:30
Tuesday is ok, but i can't be there at 20 CET, i can try about 20:15 CET
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Wed, 29 January 2014 01:02
Is there a forum thread for the final phase?
Any table with the games and the scores?
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Wed, 29 January 2014 08:34
vassilis écrit le Wed, 29 January 2014 01:02

Is there a forum thread for the final phase?
Any table with the games and the scores?


tables are on tickipedia as always with tournaments
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Wed, 29 January 2014 11:29
and this is the forum thread.
It is a single event evening Wink

Let's try to finish it in the next days Smile
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Wed, 29 January 2014 19:15
So

Fri 31th 2000 CET

or

Tue 4th 2000 CET

Would be nice to know a bit in advance. I prefer tuesday.

Val
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Wed, 29 January 2014 23:26
Tuesday is perfect for me and kostas.

PS: Thanks Knockando and Qorlas. I was just wondering if we had to open a seperate thread, like me did in the groups phase.
      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Wed, 29 January 2014 23:34
I am travelling on monday. I should be able to play on tuesday, as long as everyone commits to playing all the remaining games in one sitting.

[Mis à jour le: Sat, 01 February 2014 21:58]

      
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Re:Multi Winter Championship 2013 Mon, 03 February 2014 19:08
So tomorrow it is I hope

CU
Val
      
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