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Sysyphus - Pommard
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Masters Tournament 2p USA 2014 Fri, 03 January 2014 23:46
It is still a project to be finalized, but we thought it'd better to make an annoucement before League starts.

As an initiative (based on an idea from DrakeStorm, thanks!) to gather the 4 best players in the 2014 tournaments, we would like to introduce the Most Valuable Player 2014 Final Four.

When ?
It would be held in December 2014 in parallel to the NC finals.
We would bring 2014 to a close with intense competition, with the best teams in NC, and cherry on the cake, the best players of the year.

Who ?
  • The winner of the League, Division A.
  • The winner of SPWC
  • Highest ranked in TELO at the end of the year. (the minimum number of matches played in 2014 still to be determined)
  • A 4th still to be determined.
    (ideas : NC MVP designated by captains, 2nd highest TELO, previous MVP -which does not quite work for a first edition-)

    Format
    Still to be determined. Knock-out bo11 ?
    Any input is more than welcome !

    Enjoy all the tournament organized in 2014, and may the best be the MVP 2014 !

    [Mis à jour le: Mon, 06 January 2014 23:44]

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    Mr Bean
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    Re:Most Valuable Player 2014 Sat, 04 January 2014 12:38
    You would probably also need to decide what happens if 2 (or 3) of these 4 are the same player. If all 4 are the same we should have our winner Cool , but if League A and SPWC are won by same player, does no 2 of League or no 2 of SPWC get the vacant spot or do you just play with 3?
          
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    Re:Most Valuable Player 2014 Sun, 05 January 2014 00:17
    Mr Bean wrote on Sat, 04 January 2014 03:38

    You would probably also need to decide what happens if 2 (or 3) of these 4 are the same player. If all 4 are the same we should have our winner Cool , but if League A and SPWC are won by same player, does no 2 of League or no 2 of SPWC get the vacant spot or do you just play with 3?


    My current idea is that the 2nd place person would get the spot if the 1st place person didn't want to play, but after that it would go to TELO (not to 3rd place finishers).

    If the same person wins League and SPWC, then the extra spot would goto TELO.

    For the first year there is no previous MVP winner so there would be an extra spot to fill as Sys mentions above.

    As to the format. I'd like to see a mini round robin which would take 3 weeks. But a Single Elimination would only take 2 weeks, so might be better.

    Still lots of time to finalize everything, but mentioning it now so any Tops that want a chance to play in the event join League to try to get that spot.



    [Mis à jour le: Sun, 05 January 2014 00:19]

          
    onyx puffin MAD
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    Re:Most Valuable Player 2014 Mon, 06 January 2014 18:30
    FAULTY LOGIC HERE.

    So this project idea may be interesting but I am sorry, the name is POOR, and the logic flawed.

    Let me begin with the name: Most Valuable Player (MVP). What makes someone a MVP? Would a player on either my Nation's Cup team or my FUSION Cup team who chooses to play on my team (neither are an elite team, mind you) but this player carries our team to the play-offs. Would he/she be an MVP? Is that better than being on an elitist team of top 20 players who wins the tournament?
    Would this supposed Final Four have space for such an MVP?
    MY POINT: please do not penalize better players who choose to play with people like myself, perhaps a top 100 player, but certainly not a top 20 player!


    Winning the SPWC is an individual thing. How is that an MVP?
    Also, are we now saying winning division A of NEW league is an ultimate thing? Then right there you have shortchanged the majority of the community as they have no shot at being that person for any year in consideration. Which makes lucullupus pointed story in the other thread even more interesting


    Please note, I am not against the idea proposed of trying something to honor great players of the past year. BUT I strongly caution that it avoid becoming Elitist Player of the Year.

    Figure out a different name for such an event, and try to be sensitive to who will play in this event that the event does not become a duplicate of the conversation and issues made in the NEW league and question of, "Oooh, who is in division A of League?"

    A different name like they use in golf, 'Tournament of Champions' where you have to qualify and they have a limit on number of players involved. Like 16, and show the system whereby one qualifies for the Tournament of Champions. My suggestion is: Each champion qualifies. Then there are others added in as duplicates occur or go to 2nd place type people when players cannot play for injury/scheduling issues.

    [Mis à jour le: Mon, 06 January 2014 19:46]

          
    ACP Miguel
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    Re:Most Valuable Player 2014 Mon, 06 January 2014 19:13
    Name it Masters - Like in Tennis. i think the idea was to have a competition between those who were stronger in the hardest competitions of the season.
          
    GenuineFauxFarm
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    Re:Most Valuable Player 2014 Mon, 06 January 2014 19:30
    I'm not sure why you would want something more to compete with NC finals.

    Onyx's post actually prompted me to finally say something.

    In my mind, I wonder about this because I don't see why we think we need to create another way to try to define the 'top players' for a given year. Or, worse yet, another way for people to argue about whether the ranking is accurate or not. But, I have to realize that this is enjoyable for some, so I'm willing to let that point go.

    I also wonder how excited anyone is going to get about this? After all, if a player wins SPWC or League, that is a reward in and of itself. It's not really a competition to see who gets to play in this proposed final match. I suppose you might see it as a way to reward the leading TELO ranked individual. But, if that's what this is about, then run a final four of the top 4 TELO rankings and be done with it.

    I'm not really sure why I am responding to this. I don't expect to ever participate in this as I doubt I'll ever be motivated enough.
          
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    Re:Most Valuable Player 2014 Mon, 06 January 2014 23:17
    I did not come up with the name. I think MVP was used by Sys because it was short and fit onto the schedule better. We can call it the 2P USA Masters Tournament from now on.

    And it is Elitist I guess. Most competitions/sports want to crown a champion or determine who the best player is. Over the years there have been many forum posts on who is the best, how the DoW ELO is totally flawed, etc. Up till now, no one event really determined who the best player of the year was. If you did well in NC it could just be from easy match ups, if you won Division A in league it might be because all the best players weren't playing in it, and if you won SPWC it might just be luck of the single elimination format.

    My main goal was to not force players to play in any one particular event. You shouldn't have to play in League to be considered the best, or any other one event. [Most Top players are signed up for the New League, but a few aren't, and if they won SPWC or had the highest TELO, they could still be crowned best player for the year].

    I have virtually no chance of being in this event, but I still think it is a good idea.

          
    Sysyphus - Pommard
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    Re:Most Valuable Player 2014 Mon, 06 January 2014 23:49
    Yes,

    It's just a cultural difference in the meaning.

    MVP is also used in France, but it's used to describe the best individual player in a League or in a tournament, ( not like in the US where it describes the player that adds the most value to his/her team.
    Changed to masters then.
          
        
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