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Jaykay2010
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Online Campaign possible ? Fri, 10 January 2014 17:42
Hi folks, has anyone looked into the possibility of playing any of the official campaigns via the Online game? I'm aware obviously that the exact rules used for campaigns wouldn't be possible, I'm thinking more whether there are sufficient scenarios in existence to play through, in the order that they might appear in any released campaign.

Im guessing the answer is a 'no' in that respect, but I was just curious if anyone had considered or looked into it ...


... my thinking was it might be fun to play an opponent over 5 or 6 scenarios, as one side.

Obviously there's nothing to stop any of us picking our own scenarios to do just that, but I wondered if anyone had created a run of scenarios from those that are available that flowed historically, or, as mentioned, followed the route of an official campaign?


Incidentally ... if anyone has done this, or just wants to try out the idea, I have a bit of time tonight (Friday 10th January, (GMT), or Saturday 11th Jan) to play! Smile


Jim
      
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Re:Online Campaign possible ? Fri, 10 January 2014 17:57
In answer to my own question ...

The GuadalCanal campaign from 'Island Hoppers' is perfectly possible to play out as a mini campaign.

I'd be interested to see how this played out face to face online, keeping score of medals AND objective points as set out in the Campaign sheet.
      
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Re:Online Campaign possible ? Sun, 12 January 2014 23:45
It's probably the only realistic way I'm ever going to play a full campaign. Would require a lot of home-made maps though...
      
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Re:Online Campaign possible ? Sat, 18 January 2014 18:12
I just played Gonzalan at the 'Island Hoppers' campaign (the only campaign that has the available scenarios online). It was a blast! 4 Scenario's and a few bonus objectives thrown in, make for a fun couple of hours!

Obviously you can't implement the special conditions or victory rolls etc from scenario to scenario, but for a themed run of scenarios, and a tense/clever medal balance, this was a great way to play a group of 4 battles ! Smile
      
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Re:Online Campaign possible Sun, 19 January 2014 19:14
Jaykay2010 wrote on Sat, 18 January 2014 10:12

I just played Gonzalan at the 'Island Hoppers' campaign (the only campaign that has the available scenarios online). It was a blast! 4 Scenario's and a few bonus objectives thrown in, make for a fun couple of hours!

Obviously you can't implement the special conditions or victory rolls etc from scenario to scenario, but for a themed run of scenarios, and a tense/clever medal balance, this was a great way to play a group of 4 battles ! Smile



Yes, I agree with JK2010, was a blast and very tense, albeit without the special conditions, was close all the way, had a computer hiccup on Day 1, but were able to finish the next day, scores and medals balanced out, Tenaru 4-6, Bloody Ridge 6-4, Matanikau River 4-5 and Clearing the Matanikau River 5-4 me and last move was a BEL, killed one unit and got the EXIT bonus pt!! Thus I won on the bonus pt with medals being 19-19 and the bonus pt for me!!

Close indeed and much fun! Thanks JK2010!
      
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Re:Online Campaign possible Sat, 01 February 2014 01:12
Met JK2010 once again in this mini-campaign, 4 battles in the space of about 2 hrs and a little bit of a different story, great fun once again.

This time out he was the Marines and I was IJA and his marines proved to be mighty and Gung-Ho all in one!! He swept all 4 games, won on the medal count 22-13 and was just too much for my IJA!

All games think he had a double digit advantage in die rolled and his % was 45-55 in all games and of course with the extra attacker, well I stood a chance, when it was 0-0 and he had yet to play his 1st card! Laughing

Still, a great way to spend 2 hrs this morning and thanks JK, enjoyed the terrible beating!!

Until the next encounter.

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Re:Online Campaign possible Tue, 04 February 2014 10:51
Cheers buddy ....

It would be great if DoW would add more 'Official' scenarios such as those in the Campaign books so we can play this way - it's a really fun way to spend a few hours playing something that is linked, where every medal really counts ..

Obviously the Online tourneys which Eric organises are along similar lines, but as far as a head to head, quick fix game, this has been a great way to play,


It would be fantastic if DoW made scenarios from other official campaigns available to us.

Going further than that, howabout a complete 'Campaign' section, that allowed you to implement the victory rolls, and reserves etc between each battle!

That would bring a whole new way of playing online !
      
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Re:Online Campaign possible ? Wed, 05 February 2014 01:19
Not having CB2, I wasn't sure what you were talking about. I found some score sheets that GhostBrigades19 put together in his user pages. For Guadalcanal:

Tenaru, (78%)
Bloody Ridge, (60%)
Matanikau, (68%)
Slopes of Mount Austen, (64%) and
Clearing Matanikau River (74%).

I haven't played Tenaru online because I think the Japanese need the engineer to have Japanese Infantry Rules to have a shot at getting a good score. Other than Bloody Ridge I'm not too keen on these Pacific scenarios since they are outside the 40-60% range.

With Mediterranean Theater, rulebook says to use Simplified Campaign Rules from Winter/Desert expansion page for a Battle of Gazala Campaign. Since all the scenarios are online, you could play that too (without these rules).

29%, Flanking Maneuver at Bir Hakeim, May 27, 1942
32%, Panzers vs Grants, May 27, 1942
29%, 1st Armoured to the Rescue, May 27, 1942
47%, Into the Cauldron, June 5, 1942
29%, Knightsbridge, June 12, 1942
53%, Escape via the Coastal Road, June 14, 1942

I've included Knightsbridge above, even though it wasn't part of the Med-Theater expansion. It's now online with British tanks that move 2 and BCF rules instead of American tanks that move 3, which reduced it from 31%. But as you can see, almost all of these are weighted to the Axis, so you can dump Knightsbridge and hope that Allies can get 3 wins out of 5 to have a chance to win the campaign.

I've got to say, that I'm just not impressed with campaigns. I thought it might be a reason to play unbalanced scenarios, but campaigns don't seem to be any more balanced. Say you played a campaign of 2 scenarios, one 35% & one 65% and there was no upset. Then it might be fun to try to win on medal count, like for a match. (I'll play both sides, but I almost never try for match-win by medal-count, except in a tournament). But if you won the first and got an extra tank as a bonus, then that might help you win the 2nd, too.

The first campaign I played was Vercors as Axis face-to-face. The third scenario seems to be the one to win. (It was unclear, but I believe the Axis bonus should be to Paradrop 1 figure before turn 2. If they drop 4 figures, like Sainte-Mère-Eglise the Allies have no chance.) After Axis won several, and there was no chance the Allies could win the Campaign, why play the last?

We just finished one side of the Audie Murphy campaign (face-to-face). As my buddy said, it doesn't seem fair that you get upgrades or special actions for winning the prior scenario, too. The Allies had already won by game 7, so the results of the last scenario didn't matter, but we played it anyway.

I've got 1 scenario to go for Operation Toenails on Vassal. The Axis bonuses for winning were sandbags, mines, or wire. The Allied bonuses were Armor, Artillery, Air Strikes, etc. Seems a little uneven! After winning 6, the Allies have already won on points, so we'll get back to the last, #10 whenever.

I've got some made-up campaigns in progress (face-to-face) for jdrommel's French Open 2011, which feature the 29th Infantry Division from D-Day through July. I was going to give a Reinforcements card to the victor, but we never used it, and it's simpler to just play the scenarios as they are, which aren't bad. This way we can play Bretel Wood 56% and Vaumicel Manor 48% online and in any order.

In all these, your score is number of medals you score in scenario plus 1 bonus point for winning and 1 bonus point for each medal site your side captures. Some of the above seem to have more sites for Allies than Axis.

I guess you could play one of these campaigns against an inferior player and take the hard side.


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Re:Online Campaign possible ? Wed, 05 February 2014 17:30
Thanks for this, the Battle for Gazala Campaign looks interesting.

For me, the matter of whether a Campaign is loaded towards one side isn't an issue. If it's a greater challenge to win as one side, then it's a greater challenge!

Some of the Campaigns suggest that a particular side might be chosen by a more experienced player, (as you yourself mention).

In the case of some campaigns being lost before the final scenario, there is a scoring table at the conclusion of a campaign, for varying degrees of victory ... from minor, to 'decisive'. Any opponent worth their salt will want to ensure they aren't the victim of a decisive Victory going into a final battle (double your opponents score), .

Also, the Campaigns are of course possible to be played through twice, switching sides, and comparing final results for both campaigns, (as Gonzalan and I did), which creates extra tension the second time around.

Personally, I really enjoy the Campaigns that DoW have produced, (including those offered from within the community), and find that playing against an increasingly confidant force, who might be benefitting from bonus units etc a real challenge.

Finally, bear in mind both sides have reserve tokens to spend, and both sides make various rolls inbetween battles ... so it's not entirely one sided, even for the losing force.

I also find that the Objective track in each Campaign is a great leveller, with more points available for the weaker side usually ...

so all in all, I find the Campaigns a fun and yet challenging way to play,

Regards Smile

Jim
      
    
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