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JasonMa
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  Bleeding dice Sat, 09 December 2006 18:30
We noticed that after a couple of games the colors on the dice were bleeding and rubbing off onto our hands. Anyone else have this problem? I wanted to try it out before I committed as I already own M' 44 and C&C:A and wanted to see if I really wanted to add a third game in the system to my collection. I really liked the game, but with this dice problem and the bent figures I'm not sure I want to get my own copy...
      
SHwoKing
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Re:Bleeding dice Sat, 09 December 2006 18:33
After 5 games, i can see that this problem starting to appear.

I don't bother though, dice are meant to be thrown.
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sat, 09 December 2006 19:03
Confused
Are there any painters out there who might be able to suggest a clear varnish or something that might be helpful in preventing this problem for those of us who have not run into it yet?

Would this be okay?

[Mis à jour le: Sat, 09 December 2006 19:09]

      
tatsu
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Re:Bleeding dice Sat, 09 December 2006 19:34
Yep, 3 whole games in and the dice started to bleed. It wouldn't be so bad if I had had the game and been playing it for a month or something, but THREE games? And since the COLOR is fairly important, its a bit annoying.

The bent figures don't bother me much, as they are soft and none of mine were broken. My board was/is warping, but it bent back without much effort. The rest of everything is great, but the dice are a fairly important part of the game and its disappointing to have them being ruin so quickly after I opened the game.
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sat, 09 December 2006 20:06
Oh, man, this is bad. Crying or Very Sad

The only thing I can think of would be spraying them with a hard acrylic spray varnish, like Krylon Crystal Clear, but you'd have to be very careful not to overspray (drips, or getting it on other things, too) and to make certain it was completely dry before you turned it over and did the bottom. And the force of the spray might tip the lightweight dice over, sticking it to whatever it's on. Also, since winter is almost here, ventilation from the fumes is going to be a problem.

Not good. Any chance of replacement dice?

Jude
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sat, 09 December 2006 23:32
I played 7 games until now, and I don't have this problem, however there is a german review out there, were the reviewer had the same Problem with the dices in this preview-game and DOW told him that this problem should not appear in the final version and if it would, there will be replacement dice.

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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 01:34
I am only two games in and apparently with my excitement and sweaty palms the dice are just starting to show signs of bleeding as well. I have two questions:

1) For the gamers out there: has anyone successfully sprayed/painted their dice, what product did you use and were you happy with the results?

2) For Days of Wonder: will there be any dice replacement offer to those that ordered the first batch of Battle Lore games?

Thanks in advance.
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 01:38
I hope so. Same problem here. Shocked
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 01:52
I'm using d6s until someone has a good answer or DOW announces a policy on replacement dice. I'm thinking a brush-on acrylic varnish but holding off until others comment. The dice problem or the bent figures alone would have been acceptable for a user fix it, but both together are a major screw-up on a $70.00 game. I have Memoir '44 and all of its expansions, but I will be more cautious about future Battlelore purchases until DOW reponds in some meaningful way.
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 02:01
We will be making an announcement regarding the replacement dice on Monday or Tuesday at the latest. We are as disappointed with this as everyone Sad
eric
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 02:27
Good to know before I actually start using my dice (game arrived today)! I will get some clearcoat paint and fix that problem before it begins. Hopefully I won't require a replacement set for either copy of the game I bought.

Still, nice to know DoW is aware and preparing a response so quickly... just in case.

TIP: For anyone wanting to try this themselves, be sure to spray a light coat when applying the paint, and apply 2 or more coats, allowing the dice to dry thoughroughly between applications. It is better to have several light coats than to try to get one heavy coat and wind up with globbed up paint or runs. Your dice won't roll as nicely and you'll be disappointed.
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 02:38
rspader wrote on Sun, 10 December 2006 01:52

I'm using d6s until someone has a good answer or DOW announces a policy on replacement dice. I'm thinking a brush-on acrylic varnish but holding off until others comment. The dice problem or the bent figures alone would have been acceptable for a user fix it, but both together are a major screw-up on a $70.00 game. I have Memoir '44 and all of its expansions, but I will be more cautious about future Battlelore purchases until DOW reponds in some meaningful way.


I think this is a little unfair. I don't imagine DOW wanted this problems, but the only ways I can imagine to prevent such mistakes, had resolved in a delay of at least 2 months. And this would have cause a much larger uproar, imo.

As long as DOW, solves the problem quickly it's okay, and until now DOW (especially eric) reponses rather fast on this boards.

However, if you want to be cautious about future BL expansions, then be it. I don't mind the problems until now, but it is really understandable that some people would have preferred a better product, even if it would mean a big delay to the release.
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 05:42
What's up with dice problems and the Command & Color system? There were issues with the dice in GMT's Command & Colors: Ancients. I ended up making my own.

As long as DOW is going to provide some sort of replacement I'm not too concerned. They've always taken good care of me when I've had a problem with a game component in the past.
      
thatbloketimbo
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 06:23
Mine are starting to run too...Sad

Glad to See DOW are on top of the problem though and are responding quickly.

T.
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 07:39
As tech 7 pointed out, perhaps my reaction was unfair. I know that DOW did not plan for these things to happen. I was really excited about getting Battlelore after my great experiences with Memoir '44 and the thought of having to clear coat my dice after straightening my figs (very easy by the way) had me a bit annoyed. I did play two solo games of the Agincourt scenario today and enjoyed the game very much. I am sure that DOW will work things out. My apologies to Eric and the DOW gang.
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 08:02
No apologies needed (well at least not from you to us Rolling Eyes ). We are very unhappy with this, as you can all imagine, and rather embarassed, We will make it right, though. More news come Monday, and sorry for the disappointment.
eric
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 10:06
I would gladly pay extra money to get a premium set of dice.

Premium die = No risk of color bleed, a little more weight and different helmet types. where the heavy/red helmet could be as is but the blue and green should be different to make them easier to spot and also a lot cooler to look at.

I hope DoW will make these at some point.
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 10:46
BL4EVER schrieb am Sun, 10 December 2006 10:06

I would gladly pay extra money to get a premium set of dice.

Premium die = No risk of color bleed, a little more weight and different helmet types. where the heavy/red helmet could be as is but the blue and green should be different to make them easier to spot and also a lot cooler to look at.

I hope DoW will make these at some point.


Good point from BL4EVER, pleaaase make the green and blue helmets better distinguishable.. it's kind of hard to see across the table when the light is not too good (nightly game sessions Very Happy ).

Dark.
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 12:10
Yes the dice,seriously bent figs(I have two games & they
averaged 30-35 per game,plus 1 bent board),is rather a disappointment for an expensive game.

However I am very impressed with DoW acknowledgement of the the
problem & efforts to correct.I have delt with other companies
that refused to own up to similar issues or make lame excuses.

I think future BL releases will be all the better for this
learning experience Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 14:02
eric wrote on Sun, 10 December 2006 00:02

No apologies needed (well at least not from you to us Rolling Eyes ). We are very unhappy with this, as you can all imagine, and rather embarassed, We will make it right, though. More news come Monday, and sorry for the disappointment.
eric


Very, very cool of you guys. You had me at M44, made me love you with T2R, and now I shall sign over my immortal soul to you for this one. Wink
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 14:11
Yes, I'm very impressed by the level of customer service by DoW, and their clearly sincere desire to treat their customers as well as as they possibly can. It's patently not the sort of empty rhetoric you get from many businesses. Well done.
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 16:29
eric wrote on Sun, 10 December 2006 01:02

No apologies needed (well at least not from you to us Rolling Eyes ). We are very unhappy with this, as you can all imagine, and rather embarassed, We will make it right, though. More news come Monday, and sorry for the disappointment.
eric


Eric/DoW staff,

I wanted to commend you and the Days of Wonder staff on the excellent support you have shown on your new product. BL is my first DoW purchase and even with the two issues I have (20-30 bent plastic figures - fixed with Hot/Cold water) and the bleeding dice (to be addressed Mon/Tue next week with an announcement) I would not hesitate to purchase another product from your company.

Excellent game!

I do agree with BL4EVER and DarkPadawan that the Blue and Green helmets are a little difficult to distinguish in low light.

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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 16:41
A quick fix:

Place the dice on some absorbent paper such as a kitchen roll.

Lightly spray with a hard clear gloss polyurethane aerosol such as Games Workshop's "Ardcote"

Leave to dry completely - usually about fifteen minutes.

Turn the dice over and repeat.

I have done this last night and it works for me.

WARNING: It does NOT improve your dice rolling. Twisted Evil
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 18:13
Wee Sodjer wrote on Sun, 10 December 2006 08:41

A quick fix:
WARNING: It does NOT improve your dice rolling. Twisted Evil


Someone please let me know when you have a solution for this - poor dice rolling is more of a problem for me than the dice themselves Laughing
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 18:27
There are a couple of solutions for you already. Altering the dice such as weighted, flats, edge-work, tops, etc or controlling the dice with throws such as a pad roll, whip shot, greek shot... Very Happy

Crap noone is going to want to play with me now. Confused
      
JasonMa
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 19:58
tatsu wrote on Sun, 10 December 2006 12:13

Wee Sodjer wrote on Sun, 10 December 2006 08:41

A quick fix:
WARNING: It does NOT improve your dice rolling. Twisted Evil


Someone please let me know when you have a solution for this - poor dice rolling is more of a problem for me than the dice themselves Laughing


Hey, you beat me in both games Friday night due to some pretty good rolls, you've got nothing to complain about. Laughing
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 21:54
Sounds like a job for Valley Games... Smile
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Sun, 10 December 2006 22:38
JasonMa wrote on Sun, 10 December 2006 11:58


Hey, you beat me in both games Friday night due to some pretty good rolls, you've got nothing to complain about. Laughing

Only due to my skilled play Wink
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Mon, 11 December 2006 00:13
5 games into battlelore and the white is shining through the purple lore symbol already?

I definatley want the premium die now to go with the 10 expansions I'm going to by.

red helmet is fine as is

blue helmet should be similar to what the blue infantry minis are wearing. A hardcap with chain mail attached.

green helmet could be a leather hood that extends over the shoulders much like what the green infantry minis are wearing.

I think I would appreciate the weight(feel) of a plastic die a bit more then the lighter wood die.

      
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Re:Bleeding dice Mon, 11 December 2006 00:45
As one of the regular customers of DOW, I am absolutely confident they are going to solve this problem (see Eric's posts) and please don't let this stop you to buy the game, it's fantastic!!! And DOW is a great company, wish every company was like this!

(And yes we also have problems with the dice!)
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Mon, 11 December 2006 09:06
Yves Van Herp wrote on Mon, 11 December 2006 00:45

As one of the regular customers of DOW, I am absolutely confident they are going to solve this problem (see Eric's posts) and please don't let this stop you to buy the game, it's fantastic!!! And DOW is a great company, wish every company was like this!
(And yes we also have problems with the dice!)


Yves,

Nu ben ik er zeker van: JIJ bent een DOW aandeelhouder!

Rudi Nod
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Mon, 11 December 2006 14:01
DarkPadawan wrote on Sun, 10 December 2006 03:46



Good point from BL4EVER, pleaaase make the green and blue helmets better distinguishable.. it's kind of hard to see across the table when the light is not too good (nightly game sessions Very Happy ).

Dark.


I ended up adding small, green dots on each side of the green helmet to make them easier to distiguish from blue from across the table.
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Mon, 11 December 2006 15:18
I have not run into the bleeding dice problem (about 10 games in) but I can see how this could be a problem. I also think that they should do something about the colors and perhaps borrow an idea from Ancients and have the colors use different symbols as well.

Yes, I know that would make the guide cards and rulebook inaccurate with regards to the dice roll examples, but at times it is hard for me to tell what color I have rolled on a helmet, and I am not colorblind at all.

That said, I am looking forward to a dice fix because if nothing else I could use some extras and I suspect the "bleed" is taking a bit longer to manifest but it will probably happen.
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Mon, 11 December 2006 15:30
I have not had this problem yet.

on the colours side of things I noticed that the helmets go Blue green the red in order on the dice, its the only way I can tell the green and red apart.

I think brighter colours like you get on baby toys would solve the problem for me.

I am red/green/brown and blue/purple colout brown and don't have problems with my 2 year old sons toys.


Rich.
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Mon, 11 December 2006 15:42
I used clear matte finish spray from the local crafts storeand it has worked great.
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Mon, 11 December 2006 16:42
Hadn't run into it... until last night. One of the dice is, indeed, now smearing the color from the red helmet. Crying or Very Sad And we really don't handle the dice that much.
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Mon, 11 December 2006 21:19
Geudens wrote on Mon, 11 December 2006 03:06

Yves Van Herp wrote on Mon, 11 December 2006 00:45

As one of the regular customers of DOW, I am absolutely confident they are going to solve this problem (see Eric's posts) and please don't let this stop you to buy the game, it's fantastic!!! And DOW is a great company, wish every company was like this!
(And yes we also have problems with the dice!)


Yves,

Nu ben ik er zeker van: JIJ bent een DOW aandeelhouder!

Rudi Nod



Ik zou willen dat het waar was, Rudi! Maar ik moet je ontgoochelen. Ik vind hun spellen echter wel fantastisch. Razz

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Re:Bleeding dice Mon, 11 December 2006 21:41
I was going to try coating my dice today bu spraying them with a protective clear covering, but then I read this:
http://blog.battlelore.com/en/
and if the new dice are available soon, I won't have to mess with the old ones.

I plan on playing a lot over the holiday vacation, though, so if I don't have the new dice by then, I will coat the old ones.

Jude
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Tue, 12 December 2006 09:32
YEah I have the same problem here as everyone else. I've played 12 games by now and honestly... I can hardly see any Lore symbols on my dice anymore. They have bled off. Sad

Looking forward to that announcement Eric.

/wolf
      
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Re:Bleeding dice Tue, 12 December 2006 12:51
Nice to see that DoW will be replacing the dice. I've always found DoW and FFG to have the best customer service in the industry!

I can live with the mistake since the replacement is coming soon. Thanks for jumping on the issue so fast guys!
      
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