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Morgiliath
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Promotion Requirements Sun, 01 May 2011 15:36
Hi folks,

below you'll find the requirements for promotion. The list is not approved by DoW and it is based on observation and calculation, but in most cases it's solid.

WARNING - THIS IS A SPOILER. IF YOU WANT TO FIND OUT FOR YOURSELVES (MUCH MORE FUN) DO NOT READ BEYOND THIS LINE.

YES, I MEAN THIS LINE.
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To become:





Second Lieutenant - you need 3 victories against human players

First Lieutenant - 5 wins as Axis and 5 as Allies. this includes the victories earned as a cadet, so if you earn victories evenly you can promote on your 10th overall victory

Captain - 8 wins as Axis and 8 as Allies and victory as Axis at Arnhem or as Allies at First Landing. If you already have the required victories before you earn the medal, the promotion occurs at the end of the next match (win or lose). like 1LT, this counts previous victories.

Major - 20 wins after promotion to CPT. unlike the other ranks this doesn't factor in previous victories

Lt.Colonel - 10 victories as each side (Allies and Axis) in each of the currently (May 2011) available theatres (Western Front, Mediterranean, Eastern Front, Far East) - that's 80 victories in total

Colonel - you need to invite 5 people to the game, 3 of which will have to obtain the rank of 2nd lieutenant

Comments and observations welcome.

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Re:Promotion Requirements Mon, 02 May 2011 19:48
promotion to major required victories against all different ranks except majors.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Mon, 02 May 2011 21:11
I believe you need more than a victory at Omaha/Arnhem to be promoted to captain. I have a victory as the Allies at Omaha and have not been promoted to captain. I looked at the game histories of a few other people who have been promoted to captain, and it looks like you need both a victory at Arnhem/Omaha and another condition which I have yet to figure out. Could be a certain number of wins, or wins against certain ranks, or something else.

Whatever it is, I have to give credit to DOW for keeping us guessing as it definitely makes things more interesting and when you do get that promotion it comes as nice surprise.

      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Tue, 03 May 2011 03:48
Of course, you need to fulfill the requirement for 1st Lt and then to be promoted to Captain. It's certain, actually.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Thu, 05 May 2011 02:00
i was struggling to earn the promotion to CPT and wasn't able to play much so i filled some downtime with an analysis of several game logs. i'm almost certain i've got the 2LT-CPT figured out but i'm only reasonably sure about MAJ:

2LT: 3 victories. opponent and scenario don't matter.

1LT: 5 wins as axis and 5 as allies. this number includes the victories earned as a cadet.

CPT: 8 wins as axis and 8 as allies and either the omaha or arnhem medal. if you already have the required victories before you earn the medal, the promotion occurs at the end of the next match (win or lose). like 1LT, this counts the previous victories.

MAJ: 20 wins after promotion to CPT. unlike the other ranks this doesn't factor in previous victories.


there has been speculation about playing against different ranks but i don't believe that factors in at all. i do have a feeling that the scenario/theater factors in the new LTC rank which is why it took so long to "launch" it because up to this latest update there simply weren't enough.

one tip for those trying to check the math on a game log: the players that were in the initial closed beta test are hard to analyze because as i recall the major rank (and maybe captain) weren't opened until the open beta so some players that were closer to the requirement or had perhaps already met it were promoted quicker than would be expected under normal circumstances.

anyway. just wanted to share my input since it varies pretty significantly from the original post.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Sun, 08 May 2011 01:27
mochihead wrote on Thu, 05 May 2011 01:00



CPT: 8 wins as axis and 8 as allies and either the omaha or arnhem medal. if you already have the required victories before you earn the medal, the promotion occurs at the end of the next match (win or lose). like 1LT, this counts the previous victories.



Not sure about your analysis here. I have an Axis win at Arnhem and 10 victoreis against human players asaxis and 11 as Allies, and still no Captain.

That Arnhem win took a while Smile
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Sun, 08 May 2011 02:09
stenic wrote on Sun, 08 May 2011 00:27

mochihead wrote on Thu, 05 May 2011 01:00



CPT: 8 wins as axis and 8 as allies and either the omaha or arnhem medal. if you already have the required victories before you earn the medal, the promotion occurs at the end of the next match (win or lose). like 1LT, this counts the previous victories.



Not sure about your analysis here. I have an Axis win at Arnhem and 10 victoreis against human players asaxis and 11 as Allies, and still no Captain.

That Arnhem win took a while Smile


Hmmm... Got Captaincy a game later, so either it's over 10 win each side or it waits for your next game.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Sun, 08 May 2011 02:15
stenic wrote on Sat, 07 May 2011 17:09

stenic wrote on Sun, 08 May 2011 00:27

mochihead wrote on Thu, 05 May 2011 01:00



CPT: 8 wins as axis and 8 as allies and either the omaha or arnhem medal. if you already have the required victories before you earn the medal, the promotion occurs at the end of the next match (win or lose). like 1LT, this counts the previous victories.



Not sure about your analysis here. I have an Axis win at Arnhem and 10 victoreis against human players asaxis and 11 as Allies, and still no Captain.

That Arnhem win took a while Smile


Hmmm... Got Captaincy a game later, so either it's over 10 win each side or it waits for your next game.



correct, if you already have 8 axis and 8 allied victories but no omaha or arnhem medal, you get promoted the game AFTER you earn the medal. not sure why the system can't issue the medal and promote on the same game but that's the way it is. the funny thing is that it's therefore possible to be promoted even if you lose that subsequent game. thanks for nothing, or something like that...
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Mon, 09 May 2011 23:13
Now I HAVE my 10 victories as each side in each theater (even if I count ONLY the desert maps as Mediterranean) - and STILL no promotion! Anyone here who experienced a similar thing? Is there another unknown requirement? Or am I the victim of some strange bug? I remember I wasn't promoted to Major when everyone else was ... it came only after something was fixed. Crying or Very Sad
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Mon, 09 May 2011 23:47
Maybe the hint about the Majors has some meaning after all ... but my problem is, as the career roster ("War Diary") shows only the current rank of the players, I don't know who was already a Major when I played against him and who not. So I can't say if a certain number is required. Probably it will be the best if I play more games against Majors, beginning in the theater where the number of wins against Majors is the lowest. Confused
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Mon, 09 May 2011 23:56
I also noticed that the Colonels we have so far have all played lots and lots of games, while I have only just 220. So there could be same basic requirement (total number of victories or number of victories over Majors) that most of them had already fulfilled unknowingly, and the ten wins on each side in each theater is just a further requirement on top of the first.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Tue, 10 May 2011 21:45
Very strange ... as you can see, somehow I made it to Oberstleutnant ... but ...

1.) The promotion was NOT announced after my last game and is not listed as having been awarded after that or any other particular game on my officer career page.

2.) Judging from the time shown for my promotion on the list of Lieutenant Colonels on the Officer Rank page, it was awarded after I LOST Hellfire Pass against some unknown Lieutenant.

3.) The only logical conclusion seems to be that the completion of 225 games against human players was the unknown requirement that I was missing. If not, I am at a loss to explain what has happened.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Wed, 11 May 2011 03:56
Hi,
I'm on the same boat. I got my 80+ games, but currently at 230 games played. So, there is something else....
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Wed, 11 May 2011 20:17
Tabou: maybe only "real" desert scenarios from the MT expansion are counted toward the Mediterranean total (excluding Gallabat & Metemma, Tunisia, Toulon and Montélimar). I saw that you have only eight wins as the Allied player on "real" desert maps. Perhaps you could score another two victories there and then tell us if you were promoted. If so, that could settle the question for all players.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Thu, 12 May 2011 15:26
Hi Turboheizer,
first thanks for looking at my stats. That surely took 5-10 min. I took a recount myself and ended up with 9 Allies win with the real desert maps. Anyhow, I now have 11/13 Allies/Axis wins with that theater now. I wonder now if possibly, a requirement is to have a win for each scenario regardless of side. I have one that I never won on it, so I'll try it out.

edit... Nope, that wasn't it. *shrug*

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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 20 May 2011 06:54
I have 2 more theories now:

1) Like the real army, there can only be so much higher rank officers. Maybe a certain number of majors must exist before one gets promoted ??

2) Have a certain quantity of "Win at least 1 time for each scenario on both sides."

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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 20 May 2011 16:39
Morgiliath wrote on Sun, 01 May 2011 14:36

Lt.Colonel - 10 victories as each side (Allies and Axis) in each of the currently (May 2011) available theatres (Western Front, Mediterranean, Eastern Front, Far East) - that's 80 victories in total


Comments and observations welcome.


I can confirm this. I got promoted on the last victory required to take me to the 10 each side, each front.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Mon, 23 May 2011 01:45
I think you are on to something with #2. I have plenty of victories in each front on both sides, something like 20+ each. But I noticed that I hadn't won each battle at least once from each side.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Mon, 23 May 2011 02:32
Winning every battle from both sides isn't a prerequisite for promotion to Lt. Colonel.

Until recently I thought I had won every scenario from both sides. When were were able to download our game history I discovered I had 3 scenarios which I hadn't won from both sides!

I had been promoted to Lt Colonel without these victories.

Winning most battles from both sides might be a prerequisite for promotion to Lt. Colonel.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Tue, 24 May 2011 01:21
Or maybe just beating you for once would do it, Phread!
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Tue, 24 May 2011 03:35
jamesherrell wrote on Tue, 24 May 2011 11:21

Or maybe just beating you for once would do it, Phread!


It isn't hard to beat me on the field of battle - many people can testify to that. Shocked Embarassed Shocked Embarassed Shocked Embarassed Shocked

So that can't be the only requirement for promotion. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Thu, 26 May 2011 16:56
As Yann announced in the Beta 25 release, the rank of Colonel has now been activated, but so far there is no hint as to how we can reach it. An new round of guessing has started now ... Smile
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Thu, 26 May 2011 18:50
Now THAT's tricky ... we have to recruit five new cadets!
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Thu, 26 May 2011 21:48
Turboheizer wrote on Thu, 26 May 2011 10:56

As Yann announced in the Beta 25 release, the rank of Colonel has now been activated, but so far there is no hint as to how we can reach it. An new round of guessing has started now ... Smile


The hint is there now. Sounds like a win in each scenario/side + games against newbies.

The promotion to LTC still has something extra to the 10games/sides/theater since since of us majors are still stuck.

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Re:Promotion Requirements Thu, 26 May 2011 22:22
It looks like I will forever be stuck at Lt Colonel as I will not act as an unpaid sales agent for DoW

I am very unimpressed, unhappy and a little angry about this new promotion requirement.

DoW has had their pound of flesh from me. I have purchased 2 packs of GI. I have actively tested and reported bugs. I participate in the forums and play anyone who wants a game (or preferably two games).

I will not act as an unpaid tout for a game that requires ongoing payment for play.

I have to accepts therefore that I will remain at my current rank forever.

I would encourage any others who agree (or disagree) with me to post your view too.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Thu, 26 May 2011 22:39
I don't really care for it either.

However, this seems to be a common thing for online games these days. Farmville (I believe) has some sort of incentive to recruit friends -- even the Game of Thrones online game did this.

So, I've sent the emails to some of my gaming buddies. Hopefully, they won't find them annoying...

Geoff
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 27 May 2011 01:10
Phread wrote on Thu, 26 May 2011 16:22

It looks like I will forever be stuck at Lt Colonel as I will not act as an unpaid sales agent for DoW

I am very unimpressed, unhappy and a little angry about this new promotion requirement.

DoW has had their pound of flesh from me. I have purchased 2 packs of GI. I have actively tested and reported bugs. I participate in the forums and play anyone who wants a game (or preferably two games).

I will not act as an unpaid tout for a game that requires ongoing payment for play.

I have to accepts therefore that I will remain at my current rank forever.

I would encourage any others who agree (or disagree) with me to post your view too.


I agree.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 27 May 2011 02:17
Phread wrote on Thu, 26 May 2011 16:22

It looks like I will forever be stuck at Lt Colonel as I will not act as an unpaid sales agent for DoW

I am very unimpressed, unhappy and a little angry about this new promotion requirement.

DoW has had their pound of flesh from me. I have purchased 2 packs of GI. I have actively tested and reported bugs. I participate in the forums and play anyone who wants a game (or preferably two games).

I will not act as an unpaid tout for a game that requires ongoing payment for play.

I have to accepts therefore that I will remain at my current rank forever.

I would encourage any others who agree (or disagree) with me to post your view too.



I totally agree.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 27 May 2011 06:11
Yes Phread, I totally agree with you and the other players about this requirement.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 27 May 2011 07:15
How do you enroll your friends, I have told many of my friends about Memoir but I didn't know there was a way for them to say I referred them?
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 27 May 2011 13:32
Thinking ahead, what will it take to get a promotion to Field Marshal? A six million dollar donation to DoW? Shocked
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 27 May 2011 19:12
Is everyone sure that you have to recruit new players ? The intelligence report says:

Colonels have seen - and won - it all... But the capacity to train and lead new recruits into Combat is what makes a true leader!

I have no idea what training and leading a new recruit involves, but couldn't it just have something to do with playing against cadets ? Also, if you do actually have to recruit new players (and my sentiments on that point are the same as everyone else's), how does the system know ? Is there a referral box when you sign up where you would indicate who 'recruited' you ?
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 27 May 2011 19:21
That makes sense and it would encourage play against cadets, and a step up the promotion ladder would go some way to offset the ammount of points (certainly in my case) us 'so called' veterans loose due to the scoring system Shocked .
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 27 May 2011 19:29
Woaw... Why all the anger?
Since there is no indication that we need to spam our friends with DoW invitaions to play Mem44 isn't it more realistic that the requirement to "recruit" is more a way to get experienced players to play with beginners?

I'm pretty sure you all got the case of an the InternetAngryVirus that's been running around lately.

As the French like to say: "relax, Max!"...
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 27 May 2011 19:43
Nygaard wrote on Fri, 27 May 2011 13:29

Woaw... Why all the anger?
Since there is no indication that we need to spam our friends with DoW invitaions to play Mem44 isn't it more realistic that the requirement to "recruit" is more a way to get experienced players to play with beginners?



Click on the link in the colonel requirements and you will see why this is being discussed.

Geoff

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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 27 May 2011 20:00
gheintze wrote on Fri, 27 May 2011 19:43

Nygaard wrote on Fri, 27 May 2011 13:29

Woaw... Why all the anger?
Since there is no indication that we need to spam our friends with DoW invitaions to play Mem44 isn't it more realistic that the requirement to "recruit" is more a way to get experienced players to play with beginners?



Click on the link in the colonel requirements and you will see why this is being discussed.

Geoff




Hadn't seen the link... Got it now... So - retroactively, how do I get credit for the half dozen kids I've invited to the game?

Still, DoW's a business, so I don't see the big problem. It's their game, and the promotion stuff is just a fun extra, not why I play the game.


      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 27 May 2011 20:43
I'm a noob, where is this "link" explaining this. The link I'm thinking from the officer rank page brings me to the list of people acheiving the rank.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 27 May 2011 20:51
It is the blue text in the description of what you must do to be promoted.

Geoff
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 27 May 2011 21:16
Nygaard wrote on Fri, 27 May 2011 14:00


Still, DoW's a business, so I don't see the big problem. It's their game, and the promotion stuff is just a fun extra, not why I play the game.




I agree with that, but also, a dumb officer ranking is not why I introduce new players to the game. I'm not boiling mad about this, but I do see how it can be taken as saying "if you bring more paying customers to the game, we'll give you a promotion". I don't think it was entirely DoW's intention to come across that way, however.

I kind of look at it like the 'warrant officer' achievement: I played against a cadet for his first battle against a 'real' person. I didn't introduce them to the game, yet I got the badge. I don't know exactly how the officer rank requirements are met, but I can see playing against a number zero-battle cadets counting for it. I can do that without 'introducing' anybody.

It could be that DoW is just trying to get people to play the new cadets coming in. IDK
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 27 May 2011 21:29
Let's see...

I understand (and agree) that soliciting people to enjoy an online game is annoying. I also would rather not have to do this to get promoted. Also, keep in mind that the program is free (to start with anyway).

However, promotions, awards, and the like exist to get people to behave in a certain way. At work, you are promoted for performing your job, even the menial, boring tasks. The Boy Scouts give rank advancements to encourage the boys to learn the things we think they should know. So, DoW wants us to tell our friends about their game and will promote us for it.

This is how the world works -- do I like it? Not especially.

I think that DoW would have been better served to suggest that we could refer our friends to the game and offer their email form as one of the ways to get promoted to colonel.

It could be do A: refer five friends OR B: play 20-30 games against cadets. Or something else, I don't know.

I'm sure they are reading this thread and formulating an appropriate response. They are always willing to accept feedback and adjust their stance -- like with the GI controversey.

Geoff

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