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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Sun, 14 October 2012 23:03
An update:

With only one battle left(sdnative vs. Artimon) in the first of 3 Sicilian scenarios the score is 16-14 Allies. The first 4 battles so far have produced identical 8-6 scores, 2 for the Axis and 2 for the Allies. Very close competition so far.

Also, I would like any of you to preview the next battle. JayKay has done so and I took his advice for some minor changes. Just let me know when you might be available. This one has a neat 'sneak attack' feature for the Allies using terrain and a special badge for the Axis to increase it's manueverability.
Thanks.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 15 October 2012 06:22
Eric,
Sorry but we are trying to coordinate a time to play..
Very hard to do with the time differences.
Jim
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 15 October 2012 12:20
Eric,

We miss the opportunity this week-end... Crying or Very Sad

I may wake up tomorrow morning earlier to arrive to play this match with Sdnative before he was going sleeping, otherwise I'm afraid to not arrive to coordinate the match before next week-end ...

We will let you inform of the success of the meeting.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Tue, 16 October 2012 23:45
Everyone,

I think what we'll do is continue with the tournament and move on to the next round. Artimon and sdnative, when you have settled on a time, let me know, and I will switch back for your game.

So, Droopy needs to let Jeronimon know who his 2 point player will be and then Jeronimon can make the matchups.

The scenario is The Battle of Troina. Please do not go by the 73% Allied victory number. This scenario has been revamped dramatically. It is still a tough go for the Germans but they have a couple of options to gain victory. The 3rd scenario in Sicily will be very tough for the Allies. Both of them can be won from either side but I suspect the Allies have the advantage in the first and the Axis in the second.

The scenario will be posted once Jeronimon announces the matchups.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Wed, 17 October 2012 16:05
I agree with your decision Lloneylama.

I would like to apologies Embarassed , but it's tough to find a window to play with Sdnative during the week as we have a difference of 9 hours between our Zone Time Area...

Hope we can quickly play it and let you inform when pretty sure of the date and hour !
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Wed, 17 October 2012 20:13
My apologies as well Embarassed Embarassed

Artimon and I have time to play today Eric can you switch the map back please?

Jim
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Wed, 17 October 2012 20:36
Hi !

Well, as he is our point leader, Clorofila will be the 2 pointers !

And of course : CONGRATS Jeronimon and Van Voort for your promotion !!! Well done ! Any advice to join you ? I'll take it gladly Very Happy

Cheers !
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Wed, 17 October 2012 21:00
Get at least 5 more SFTF victories in the Pacific.

[Mis à jour le: Wed, 17 October 2012 21:01]

      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Wed, 17 October 2012 23:06
After a long way to find each other, Sdnative and me, the match has been played tonight !!! Shocked

It was a quit tough battle, the Germans wanted to send us back to the sea and we needed to fight hard to keep our positions.

But, despite a bloody battle, Americans finaly won (the end was very close, and Sdnative could win as well)

http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/fr/battle/?id=32 537837

Thanks Sdnative for this nice moment on Sicily beaches.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Thu, 18 October 2012 08:37
Well done gentlemen!

The line-up for the next matches, with LooneyLlama as our 2 point player:

Artimon v Trentdep
Jeronimon v sdnative
LooneyLlama (2) vDroopy007
Lucky91 v Clorofila (2)
van Voort v Jaykay2010



Intelligence tells us that the next battle is in our favor, but the information is to this day classified. You will be briefed when more is known. If you have to go into battle unbriefed, good luck and let's be careful out there!
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Thu, 18 October 2012 14:36
The score at the conclusion of the first scenario in Sicily is 17-14 in favor of the Allies. The next scenario will be posted tonight(I'm now at work). It is 'The Capture of Troina'. Both the next 2 scenarios will involve Allied attacks with Axis defending and counterattacking.

General Jeronimon, the previous information you received may be faulty. After numerous preliminary attempts, I have rarely succeeded to win as the Allies. Please advise the other commmanders that the German positions are heavily defended. Also be aware of quick strike incursions into our lines by infiltrators. It is also a good idea to take advantage of the 'gullies'.

Respectfully yours,

Lt.Col. LooneyLlama

Have fun everyone!!
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Thu, 18 October 2012 21:10
Super secret news from the front, for your eyes only: intercepted message (not completely captured)

.... German positions are heavily defen..... ware of quick strike incursio.......... by infiltrator.........good idea to take ........'gullies'.

I share with you what I know, use it to your advantage.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Fri, 19 October 2012 02:00
The Capture of Troina is now available online.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Wed, 24 October 2012 22:27
van Voort 5/26 v 9/33 Jaykay
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Sat, 27 October 2012 00:28
I' ll be on holiday from 28th to 4th and I think it would be difficult to me to play during this week .

I 'll be available the 5th in the evening (French time) to play my match and I hope to delay the tournament the minimum of time
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Sat, 27 October 2012 00:43
lucky91 wrote on Sat, 27 October 2012 00:28

I' ll be on holiday from 28th to 4th and I think it would be difficult to me to play during this week .

I 'll be available the 5th in the evening (French time) to play my match and I hope to delay the tournament the minimum of time

Enjoy your holiday, get some good rest and inspiration, and don't sweat it about us. We will manage and have some patience. All will be well in the end.
Cool
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Sun, 28 October 2012 00:29
Luc, there is no time limit in this tournament. Enjoy your vacation.

Just wanted to post here that the next scenario is now online; 'Breaking the Etna Line'. Another tough nut to crack for the Allies.


By the way, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. The scenarios in Italy are completed and, in my opinion, are slightly tougher to win as Axis.

Have fun!
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Sun, 28 October 2012 15:16
Do we have the match-ups yet for the new scenario? Very Happy
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Sun, 28 October 2012 15:23
Jim,

No, not yet. Damien has to set them. Van Voort has been designated our 2 point player.

      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Sun, 28 October 2012 19:33
Hi !

So, here is the matches :

van Voort (2pts) vs sdnative

LooneyLlama vs Jaykay2010 (2pts)

Lucky91 vs Trentdep

Artimon vs Clorofila

Jeronimon vs Droopy007

We must sweep them again team ! Their spirit is low after such a defeat, we must take advantage of it !
Show no mercy Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Laughing !
Fight well gentlemen Smile
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Sun, 28 October 2012 22:41
Droopy007 wrote on Sun, 28 October 2012 19:33

Their spirit is low after such a defeat, we must take advantage of it !

Low spirit? Us? Don't be ridiculous! We are British! We can smile at anything.

See me smiling -> Sad
I said, see me smiling -> Confused
SMILING!! -> Rolling Eyes

Ok, ok, so we are not the smiling kind. But our spirits are undetered and we will retaliate fiercely, crushing the enemy and taking back the points that rightly belong to us! Mad


Wink
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 29 October 2012 09:18
Sir,

I shall endevour to justify your confidence in me

Sir
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Fri, 02 November 2012 16:42
Guys,

Just a heads up. This Sunday and Monday I will be putting 'Counterattack at Gela' back online. Sauron93 and Titanos will be using the scenario for a tournament final. I promised I would put it up Sunday so they could practice for the Monday final. 'Breaking the Etna line' will be back up Tuesday.

Also, I will be posting 5 scenarios from mainland Italy. I would like each of you to select 3 of them in order of preference. I will award 3 points for your top one, 2 for the second one, and 1 point for your 3rd one. The top 3 scenarios will be our final ones. If you think the Axis or Allies has an advantage in a scenario, rate it high. The final 3 battles will be determined by your vote.

Eric

      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Fri, 02 November 2012 16:43
LooneyLlama wrote on Sat, 27 October 2012 15:29

Luc, there is no time limit in this tournament. Enjoy your vacation.

Just wanted to post here that the next scenario is now online; 'Breaking the Etna Line'. Another tough nut to crack for the Allies.


By the way, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. The scenarios in Italy are completed and, in my opinion, are slightly tougher to win as Axis.

Have fun!


Eric just wanted to point out that Breaking the Etna line has the the Bridge on a Road Bug..
Units that are entering a bridge that is on a road must only enter or exit on adjacent road hexes..
As it is now units can enter the bridge from any adjacent hex.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Fri, 02 November 2012 20:06
sdnative,

I am aware of the bug but I wanted to allow units to enter the bridge from any adjacent hex. The Allies are constricted enough and had a hard time making progress during trial runs. I'll make a note of that bug in the description.

Eric
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Fri, 02 November 2012 21:47
Eric... Why is it that you have to take a scenario down in order to put another up? Is there a limit as to how many scenarios one may post at any given time?...
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Fri, 02 November 2012 21:53
sdnative wrote on Fri, 02 November 2012 11:43



Units that are entering a bridge that is on a road must only enter or exit on adjacent road hexes..



Where is this rule posted? This came up recently in a Vassal game, and although I was certainly of the opinion that it makes sense that one should have to enter / exit from the road hex, I have been unable to actually show it to be ~ A Rule ~ ...

On a related note : If a unit starts and ends its turn on a road, it of course receives a road bonus of plus one move. Is this also true if the unit happens to cross over a bridge, or does the fact that the bridge is their, scratch the road bonus? Seems to me that the bridge is pretty much part of the road, but again - I have not been able to dig up a definitive rule.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Fri, 02 November 2012 22:10
Trent,

DOW only allows one SFTF scenario at a time per writer.

The bridge does scratch the road bonus. You must start and end on a road hex to get the bonus.

I'll see if I can come up with the bridge over road rule. I do know you can cross a bridge over a river from any adjacent hex. If you look at my scenario, I do not have a road under the bridge, so there may not be a bug after all.

Eric
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Sat, 03 November 2012 01:57
Eric - The SFTF rule makes little sense - one would think that there would be a designation for authors' who have popular scenarios - perhaps 3 star scenarios get a free ride or something... At the very least, 2 or 3 makes more sense than 1...

OK - Road thing - The turn *did* start and end on a road - the bridge just happened to be between the two road hexes...

ROAD BRIDGE ROAD ROAD

Start --------------End


Kind of...
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Sat, 03 November 2012 03:01
trentdep wrote on Fri, 02 November 2012 13:53

sdnative wrote on Fri, 02 November 2012 11:43



Units that are entering a bridge that is on a road must only enter or exit on adjacent road hexes..



Where is this rule posted? This came up recently in a Vassal game, and although I was certainly of the opinion that it makes sense that one should have to enter / exit from the road hex, I have been unable to actually show it to be ~ A Rule ~ ...

On a related note : If a unit starts and ends its turn on a road, it of course receives a road bonus of plus one move. Is this also true if the unit happens to cross over a bridge, or does the fact that the bridge is their, scratch the road bonus? Seems to me that the bridge is pretty much part of the road, but again - I have not been able to dig up a definitive rule.





http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p596/sdnative63/Bridge-2.jpg
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Sat, 03 November 2012 04:04
Trent,

Your whole move has to be on a road hex. I stated that poorly above. Again, every hex must be a road hex.


Jim,

Thanks for the clarification. I knew there was a card somewhere on that rule.

Eric

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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Sat, 03 November 2012 09:53
Thanks to both of you for the clarification...

Not sure how I missed the most obvious - look at the ~ Bridge Card ~... Guess I was caught up in Winter Rules - was trying to juggle learning Winter Rules, Breakout Format, and "Strategy" at the time ( and not very effectively I might add )...
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Sat, 03 November 2012 22:23
OK, but wait ... I'm guessing this is the card that I was looking at...

http://static.memoir44.com/lang/english/images/mm_compendium_terrain_9.jpg

Also - what appears to be an official Q & A ( although it is dated 7/2010 )...

http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/content/cards_compen dium/?id=terrain_9

Is the card as posted by sdnative an updated card?...
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Sun, 04 November 2012 03:47
Trent,

Hmmmm.... that's interesting. That must be an updated card from sdnative. Does the Q & A need to be changed?


By the way, Counterattack at Gela is back up until Monday night.

Also, tomorrow night I will post 7 scenarios(not6)on the SFTF page. Some of them have already been posted online before, but may be slightly altered for our tournament. They are divided into 4 scenarios where the Allies attack, 2 where the Axis attack, and 1 where both can attack. Please select 3 you would like to play in the Italian campaign. Please list them in order from 1 to 3 with 1 being your favorite. The top 3 will be our final scenarios.


Eric
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Sun, 04 November 2012 13:26
The question of road bonuses with respect to bridges was settled in 2009, in a thread called "Re:Bridges and Roads."

eric wrote on Thu, 02 April 2009 18:11

A bridge is a bridge and a road is a road. So there's no road bonus going through a bridge.

If we ever need such a bonus in a specific scenario, we will write it in the special rules (and possibly provide an illustration of a road on a bridge, to go with it).

Of course, you can always house rule it too, if you'd like.

eric

Of course, if you want the road bonus to apply to a bridge, you can simply use a road hex instead of a bridge hex.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Sun, 04 November 2012 14:36
The road bonus is also discussed in the July 2010 Q & A that I linked previously...

Still curious as to the different versions of the bridge card... It appears that the one posted by SDN is a screen capture from a scenario, which of course argues that it is the most up to date version - except, we don't really know if it reads that way on all current official scenarios...

I want to say that whatever DOW officially posts within the compendium *should* be the ~ Official ~ card, but then again - it's hard to argue with Memoir On Line if it is restricting one's movement...

      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Sun, 04 November 2012 17:01
My understanding of the access to bridges rule is that the general rule allows access from any adjacent hex, however some scenarios have specific rules which change that, restricting access from say a road hex only (for example).

This rule change would be specifically mentioned in the scenario rules, when applicable, but if not, then the general rule allowing full access to the bridge applies.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Sun, 04 November 2012 18:59
Jaykay2010 wrote on Sun, 04 November 2012 08:01

My understanding of the access to bridges rule is that the general rule allows access from any adjacent hex, however some scenarios have specific rules which change that, restricting access from say a road hex only (for example).

This rule change would be specifically mentioned in the scenario rules, when applicable, but if not, then the general rule allowing full access to the bridge applies.



That does not make sense since a scenario specific rule is not printed on the cards and the card mentioning this rule is on ALL official and SFTF online scenarios.

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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 05 November 2012 02:33
sdnative wrote on Sun, 04 November 2012 12:59

Jaykay2010 wrote on Sun, 04 November 2012 08:01

My understanding of the access to bridges rule is that the general rule allows access from any adjacent hex, however some scenarios have specific rules which change that, restricting access from say a road hex only (for example).

This rule change would be specifically mentioned in the scenario rules, when applicable, but if not, then the general rule allowing full access to the bridge applies.



That does not make sense since a scenario specific rule is not printed on the cards and the card mentioning this rule is on ALL official and SFTF online scenarios.




I am completely with sdn on this one. The real issue is that the card appears in two versions, each having the same compendium number.

With that said, assuming you haven't checked EVERY scenario which has a bridge hex - and I'm not sure I want to suggest that anyone burn ( or in this case, perhaps melt away ) any ingots to pop in and out of maps solely for that purpose, perhaps we could be sure to check any bridges that are on a scenario that we happen to be playing, and test this theory?...

Or better yet : How about DOW just chime in?...
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 05 November 2012 16:28
I can only guess that the 'access to bridge' rule must have been updated at some point therefore, in order to accomodate the situation for when a road is leading onto a bridge. (so that, in such a situation it therefore always requires access from the road hex), which makes sense.

      
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