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What Should I Buy Next?!? Wed, 23 October 2013 22:54
Hi Fellow Memoir 44 Fans,

My boys and I are avid Memoir 44 players. For their birthdays both of my boys asked for Memoir 44 expansions! (They are 2 years and 2 weeks apart. Wink )

Here is what we will have AFTER their birthdays. (FYI. The first four we had before their birthdays)
+ Memoir 44 Base Set
+ Mediterranean Theater
+ Winter/Desert Board
+ Air Pack
+ Pacific Theater
+ Eastern Front
+ Winter Wars
+ Equipment Pack

My question is...

What should we buy next and why?

My instinct is to start looking at the overlord combat stuff. The problem is that I am confused here. Is it better to simply get another Base Set and a Campaign Book OR do I absolutely need the Operation Overlord set? How does it fit into the mix?

Thanks gang! Very Happy

[Edit] Just noticed a Breakthrough Kit...how does that fit into the mix...thanks again!

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Re:What Should I Buy Next?!? Thu, 24 October 2013 17:30
It looks like you can play Overlord with what you have:

Base Set + W/D board gives you two boards (although they won't match and you can't play the beach ones).
Base Set + Pacific Expansion may give you enough Axis figures (are there enough tanks?),
Base Set + Med or East should give you enough Allied figures.

You may be short some sandbags, wire and hedgehogs. Buying the Overlord Pack won't change that. It seems very deficient. I think they should have left it out of stock/print and done a do-over to give us a big pack the size of EP and with scenarios and more thorough rules. (I've posted mine in my USER PAGES- Click Left near my name).

The other benefit of getting a second base game, besides another beach board and obstacles for OL, is that if you have 4 people, you can have two games going at the same time.

To get the full effect of Breakthrough it's good have all those expansions you listed. Unfortunately, like the Campaign Books, the rules weren't proofed very well. I had to write corrections on each page before I got around to printing out two pages of errata. If I can find the file, I'll add it to my USER PAGES .

Now both of these change the game in one way: they make the game longer. I haven't got around to playing all of them, because of that.

Campaign Books don't seem to go with Overlord. I don't have either one, but there seems to be a lot of errata for those too. Someone just said a rule was posted online for one scenario that wasn't printed in the book! If you want to try out a campaign, download the Vercors files for 5 scenearios, or 8 Audie Murphy scenarios. The winner of the first scenario gets a bonus starting the next. Campaign books have additional rules like reserve tokens or something.

I don't have the Pacific Theater, but have played all those scenarios, so when I do get it, I might try jdrommel's "Operation Toenails" campaign. I have campaigns in progress for jdrommel's scenarios about the 29th Infantry Division, which he created for the 2011 French Open tournament. Most of those seem more balanced than the first two campaigns I mentioned, but I've given up on having bonus equipment for the winner, and am just going with one bonus point for winning and bonus point(s) for capturing a medal site(s).

The Battle Maps ARE for Overlord. Disaster at Dieppe (w/Capture of Tobruk) and Sword of Stalingrad (w/Rats in a Factory) may still be available. Since Overlord takes a long time, I haven't played all 4 scenarios yet. The latter comes with two really good normal-sized scenarios and Urban Cards (like Winter Cards) which I have used with normal games. The former comes with 4 normal-sized scenarios mostly set in North Africa.
      
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Re:What Should I Buy Next?!? Thu, 24 October 2013 17:57
JFKoski wrote on Thu, 24 October 2013 08:30

It looks like you can play Overlord with what you have:

Base Set + W/D board gives you two boards (although they won't match and you can't play the beach ones).
Base Set + Pacific Expansion may give you enough Axis figures (are there enough tanks?),
Base Set + Med or East should give you enough Allied figures.

You may be short some sandbags, wire and hedgehogs. Buying the Overlord Pack won't change that. It seems very deficient. I think they should have left it out of stock/print and done a do-over to give us a big pack the size of EP and with scenarios and more thorough rules. (I've posted mine in my USER PAGES- Click Left near my name).

The other benefit of getting a second base game, besides another beach board and obstacles for OL, is that if you have 4 people, you can have two games going at the same time.

To get the full effect of Breakthrough it's good have all those expansions you listed. Unfortunately, like the Campaign Books, the rules weren't proofed very well. I had to write corrections on each page before I got around to printing out two pages of errata. If I can find the file, I'll add it to my USER PAGES .

Now both of these change the game in one way: they make the game longer. I haven't got around to playing all of them, because of that.

Campaign Books don't seem to go with Overlord. I don't have either one, but there seems to be a lot of errata for those too. Someone just said a rule was posted online for one scenario that wasn't printed in the book! If you want to try out a campaign, download the Vercors files for 5 scenearios, or 8 Audie Murphy scenarios. The winner of the first scenario gets a bonus starting the next. Campaign books have additional rules like reserve tokens or something.

I don't have the Pacific Theater, but have played all those scenarios, so when I do get it, I might try jdrommel's "Operation Toenails" campaign. I have campaigns in progress for jdrommel's scenarios about the 29th Infantry Division, which he created for the 2011 French Open tournament. Most of those seem more balanced than the first two campaigns I mentioned, but I've given up on having bonus equipment for the winner, and am just going with one bonus point for winning and bonus point(s) for capturing a medal site(s).

The Battle Maps ARE for Overlord. Disaster at Dieppe (w/Capture of Tobruk) and Sword of Stalingrad (w/Rats in a Factory) may still be available. Since Overlord takes a long time, I haven't played all 4 scenarios yet. The latter comes with two really good normal-sized scenarios and Urban Cards (like Winter Cards) which I have used with normal games. The former comes with 4 normal-sized scenarios mostly set in North Africa.


First off...thanks for the great reply with your thoughts. Smile Let me see if I understand...is this right?

Overlord is simply two boards laid next to each other like that shown in the last scenario in the base set rulebook (Omaha Beach Overlord). Overlord scenarios are longer. To play Overlord you just need scenarios and all the right gear. A second base set would give me more figures and boards so that I could more easily setup the Overlord scenarios. The Battle Map packs are scenarios and small extras to play Overlord.

The Campaign Books are NOT Overlord scenarios but are scenarios that are connected. Winning/losing one round may influence future rounds.

Assuming that is true I get it. Seems like a second base set, a second D/W board, and maybe some of the Battle Maps would really square us away for Overlord. The Campaign Books also sound fun but I think those might be good after the Overlord stuff.
      
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Re:What Should I Buy Next?!? Fri, 25 October 2013 06:42
That sounds right.

The (two-sided) Battle Maps take the place of two boards and tiles, so setup is a lot quicker for those scenarios.
      
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Re:What Should I Buy Next?!? Fri, 25 October 2013 12:53
I have document that might help you decide. It lists each expansion and lists what they bring to the game in rules additions, terrain tiles, and scenarios (in some cases). In can be downloaded here:

http://cdn.daysofwonder.com/uploads/userpages/272628/_5766.p df
      
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Re:What Should I Buy Next?!? Fri, 25 October 2013 20:28
Getting a second base game is a good idea for overlord as this gives you the second board, a second lot of armies for the US and Germans and a second deck of cards. They do recommend to mix 2 decks together to play overlord from the base games.

I would recommend getting the Overlord expansion though as I find the deck that comes with this much better than using 2 standard decks. It is made for overlord play and makes it much smoother. The expansion also comes with chits to use to stand in for units if you don't have enough but figures look much better.

The battle maps are 2 scenarios printed on thick paper so you don't need the boards and you don't need to set up any terrain as it is already printed.

Another W/D board will let up set up desert and winter overlord scenarios (I mean who wants to use a snow board next to a grass land board)

Now the Armies, the 2 base games give you 2 complete sets of US and Germans but lets say for example you get the swords of Stalingrad battle maps. You will have enough German figures from your 2 base games to make up the Germans but in both scenarios the Russians will use to complete armies so you can either mix the US figures in with the Russians or if you wanted the Russian to use all Russian figures you will need another copy of the eastern front expansion.

I am personally a completist and have 2 copies of all the nation expansion so that I don't have to mix different nations units.

I would recommend the following if you are serious about overlord and this will let you play all the official scenarios.

Another base game
Overlord expansion (the deck of cards is worth it IMO)
Terrain pack
W/D Board
The Battle maps if you can still get them

*The following if you don’t want to mix nations armies together*

Another of each:
The eastern front
The Med theatre
The Pacific (I think there might only be 1 or 2 scenarios for the Japanese though)

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Re:What Should I Buy Next?!? Fri, 25 October 2013 21:51
Aussie_Digger wrote on Fri, 25 October 2013 11:28

Getting a second base game is a good idea for overlord as this gives you the second board, a second lot of armies for the US and Germans and a second deck of cards. They do recommend to mix 2 decks together to play overlord from the base games.

I would recommend getting the Overlord expansion though as I find the deck that comes with this much better than using 2 standard decks. It is made for overlord play and makes it much smoother. The expansion also comes with chits to use to stand in for units if you don't have enough but figures look much better.

The battle maps are 2 scenarios printed on thick paper so you don't need the boards and you don't need to set up any terrain as it is already printed.

Another W/D board will let up set up desert and winter overlord scenarios (I mean who wants to use a snow board next to a grass land board)

Now the Armies, the 2 base games give you 2 complete sets of US and Germans but lets say for example you get the swords of Stalingrad battle maps. You will have enough German figures from your 2 base games to make up the Germans but in both scenarios the Russians will use to complete armies so you can either mix the US figures in with the Russians or if you wanted the Russian to use all Russian figures you will need another copy of the eastern front expansion.

I am personally a completist and have 2 copies of all the nation expansion so that I don't have to mix different nations units.

I would recommend the following if you are serious about overlord and this will let you play all the official scenarios.

Another base game
Overlord expansion (the deck of cards is worth it IMO)

Terrain pack
W/D Board
The Battle maps if you can still get them


*The following if you don’t want to mix nations armies together*

Another of each:
The eastern front
The Med theatre
The Pacific (I think there might only be 1 or 2 scenarios for the Japanese though)



FANTASTIC REPLIES! Thanks everyone! Smile

I forgot...we also have the Terrain Pack. Wink

I think your logic is great and the list (in bold) is exactly where I want to go next. Excellent. Very Happy

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Re:What Should I Buy Next?!? Sat, 26 October 2013 05:40
I forgot when I posted that it's preferable to use a double-deck for Overlord (OL).

I remove 20 specific cards from my Breakthrough Deck (BT) to make a normal deck. Then I shuffle the two together. One BT and one normal is easier to separate them after playing than two normal decks. I have them in card sleeves so I also put paper notes in the sleeves for the rule changes for OL,
Recon: "Draw 3",
TFH, Air Power, Barrage: "CiC",
Medics "Roll 4d",
Pincer, Recon in Force, General Advance: "Limit One",
and which BT cards need to be removed: "X".

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