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Graphic templates Wed, 03 June 2009 17:13
I have been looking for some high quality templates to use when creating custom races, powers and counters. But I cannot find any. Now with the Small World Contest up and running it would be nice of DoW could provide a set of graphics to download and work from.

It would be happy with PNG or TIFF, but a nice PSD with layers and stuff would be so good. Some information on what fonts are used too would make life better.

I know that it's not needed for creating prototypes, or entering the contest, but to satisfy me need for a perfect game I really really would like to print and create high-quality cardboard stuff.

Anyone got any graphical guidelines, templates or other help with this? Or, please please DoW, put some nice files for us to download.
      
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Re:Graphic templates Wed, 03 June 2009 18:28
While we understand the request and the desire Razz to get this, it is something we have decided against doing (ie we will not provide high quality templates), because:

- Content over Form: We really want participants in the contest to focus on the Content itself, not just the look of it. In other words, we want people to focus on the ideas themselves, their playability, etc.. not the look of the tokens, which we will most likely rework from scratch internally anyway for any entry we might decide to publish. This does not mean you have to send us ugly looking things on purpose, and of course, a GREAT idea combined with a great look might help draw our attention to your entry, but the focus should remain on developing GREAT ideas, not just great looking ones.

- Copyright concerns: If we provide high quality templates, this will undoubtedly encourage people to "lift" very nice fantasy graphics from a variety of sources (D&D, fantasy books, etc...) to use to illustrate their banners, badges and tokens, without necessarily bothering to ask the authors or copyright holders of said illustrations for the authorization. While it is something (scanning a graphic) that is probably OK for personal use, it is not something that we want to encourage or condone for widespread distribution (even free widespread distribution).

The above doesn't mean that we won't tolerate low-res scans of the spare blank banner and badge you found in your copy of the game, as some fellow BGGers have done with their own respective ideas this far. However, even in this case, we ask you all to use good judgement and respect fellow artists' copyrights, as well as keep any such endeavor strictly non-commercial and low-res.

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Re:Graphic templates Wed, 03 June 2009 22:11
Thank you for your prompt answer. I totally understand your concerns, and I respect your decision. Still I think my points below are valid arguments for providing more community support.

Days of Wonder could never be held responsible for "lifted" graphics. What you could do is clearly state your disapproval and police your own forums for inappropriate items.

The game (and now the contest) encourages players to create content. Yes, you provide one set of blank slates, but if you are a creator you will for sure create many items. Not having online help will probably irritate players.

As a game designer myself I know that your own prototype can be scribbled words and pencil strokes on torn paper bits, but as soon as you start play testing outside your tight group you need better looking components. People have a hard time looking through non-designed items. This is even truer in a game like Small World where the fantasy imagery hits you square in the face from the time you see the box until you eagerly count your coins too see if you won the game.

If I’m allowed I would point you to FFG who support the community project Strange Eons with hi-res imagery enabling players to create custom items for Arkham Horror and Talisman. This works very well.

I hope my arguments make you take another round of thinking before shutting the door completely. At least consider a 72 dpi web graphic download for us. None of us will stop creating extension anyway, and this would only make everyone much happier, and you would be the "good guys". Smile
      
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Re:Graphic templates Fri, 05 June 2009 10:00
spindisc wrote on Wed, 03 June 2009 22:11

Days of Wonder could never be held responsible for "lifted" graphics. What you could do is clearly state your disapproval and police your own forums for inappropriate items.


Hi Peter Cool
Hans im Glück used to sell sheets of Carcassonne tiles with a blank front and preprinted backs, so people could make their own tiles for the game.

Unfortunately they discovered that some people would sell their homemade tiles on e-Bay.
The problem for HiG was not so much the possible infringement of their copyright, but the fact that they became overburdened with complaints from buyers, who wanted replacement parts for what they saw as 'inferior print quality'.

Obviously HiG couldn't be responsible for these homemade tiles, but they still had to deal with a lot of angry customers!

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Re:Graphic templates Tue, 09 June 2009 08:58
Hello Mik! (You are everywhere... Rolling Eyes)

Good point. A bit naive of me, but I never considered people would create the original game from scratch and then sell it.

But I still hope a solution is possible. Maybe an alternate graphic version that doesn't look like the one from the game.

As for the blank Carcassonne tiles, I just remembered that I still have a couple of dozen of those just waiting for me to glue on the fan-created expansions that I got. And my own old ideas... hmmm... now, where did I put those files?
      
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Re:Graphic templates Sun, 14 June 2009 20:09
Really, you don't need the hi-res images... They already know what their tiles look like. Focus on the concept, and if you're artistically inclined, the image to be used for your race/ability. From the description of the contest rules, it's likely that they'll do their own art for your creation anyway, mainly to keep it consistent with the rest of the game. Any art you provide is more to convey the "concept"
      
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Re:Graphic templates Sun, 14 June 2009 23:10
Oh! I don't need the graphics for my entry into the contest. I just want to be able to print my (and others) ideas onto really nice looking cardboard, so the nice feeling wont be spoiled when playing with fan-created material.

It would be nice to be able to shuffle in your home-made tiles and not really feel the difference in form, texture and art. Smile

No, my competition items will be text with some sketched examples.
      
    
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