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| CIA Truckerteller wrote on Thu, 28 April 2016 14:25 |
| Photios wrote on Tue, 26 April 2016 22:20 |
OK, just installed steam.
Can DoW please put more focus on playability, information and less on making the thing look like candy crush ?
Let's face it, it's not a charity organization. New customers prefer fancy maps.
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There's 10-15 games being played on Steam now, as opposed to 200+ on Java before the whole revamp. Seems more like the game is dying online than a brilliant new direction.
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I have to agree with Truck here. I suppose Steam is pretty and all that. But, it clearly has reduced overall traffic. There's a reason they no longer tout the total number of games played.
But, seriously, a primary rule for software development. * Yes, people, I taught software engineering in a former life. * Function first, beauty second. Second rule is a client interface rule - anything that will add clicks or actions or delays that is NOT necessary should be able to be SHUT OFF. If you want repeat visits or uses, you have to allow those who get tired of extra steps the opportunity to get past them.
Benny,
I have applied to be a part of the beta testing and will give my opinion there..... assuming I am added to the list...
Rob
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Sent my joining request to the Beta Group a week ago (after getting the link from DOW so I guess they want me in) but I still only get to a screen that has the only offer "withdraw joining request".
Does it normally take a while to be accepted or am I doing something wrong?
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Just got my reply and am able to get in. I clicked on the text link rather than the box in the email I received and got in fine.
Rob
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works for me now, too
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OK, just installed steam.
Can DoW please put more focus on playability, information and less on making the thing look like candy crush ?
Let's face it, it's not a charity organization. New customers prefer fancy maps.
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There's 10-15 games being played on Steam now, as opposed to 200+ on Java before the whole revamp. Seems more like the game is dying online than a brilliant new direction.
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Agree that move doesn't seem so successful (although this is not our business); I have tried as beta tester to promote the incorporation into steam of the features that make web more playable especially in multis and Nordic However, you should all try 2ers to see that there is no real difference.
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I was one of the first players beta testers.
I played a lot of games on steam.
I spent a lot of time to find bugs, to see what could have been improved.
I posted to DOW a lot of reports to help to have a good game.
I told them a lot of things to improve it, to have a new version playable and friendly like java version is.
I was really thinking they were listening to us, and they would make things better on steam, for old java players to go to steam.
Today I accepted to play a competitive match on steam.
I end the match with an horrible headache. Always need to click on the opponent's name (sometimes 1 click, sometimes need 2 on his name, sometimes another one on the window opened in the middle of the game) to know what he played.
Simple thing that DOW's team never did for us to give a log for last colors played, or AT LEAST see the last move without clicking anywhere.
And, in a game I probably would have lost (needed 2 tickets from 3) I clicked on the pile of cards instead of the pile of tickets, because it isn't in the same place than in java version.
After that, I was too irritated and tired with the headache to play normally the last game and did too many mistakes and lost.
I'm sad, not because I lost (I'm angry for that  ), but because I played without any fun.
So far away from the fun I can have to play my favourite game on java version 
I do not believe any more in will of DOW to improve this game.
I uninstalled steam from my computer and will only play on java version until it will disappear.
And I'll only play tournaments were matches have to be played on java by default, and won't play any game on steam.
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Thu, 02 June 2016 01:26
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The new platform is meant to be played on Ipad.
I like the Ipad app for fun solo game or meaningless games online. That said, it is a reach to play tournaments.
It is not really playable on Steam.
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@Sysy : I don't really see why it would be impossible to play tournaments on Steam. But I belong to newer players how started playing recently ... and on Steam (and I'm still in my growing player enthouisastic phase you usually have after <6 months of playing).
While the Steam app was designed to be played on an IPad (which I personnaly hate), it is compatbile with a lot of OS's (good) and is improving.
What concerns could you possibly have ?
- bot remplacement can be blocked ; so serious games can indeed be played
- with longer time controls, someone who accidently disconnects can be back pretty soon. In case of a major crash he won' make it in time and will lose but that would be the case in most online competitive plays as well.
- there is the problem of the absence of players log. I'm on the older school side and I believe you don't get such a thing in a live game so unless you want to play a different kind of game that the one which was initially meant, it's a least manageable (with some extra concentration ; granted)
- there is this problem of not seeing the last action of a player in a multi game. Ok this is bad. Then I'm sure we could get from the developper an option where the others players avatar is replaced by its last action until his turn. That shouldn't be a major programming issue (if their code is not a complete mess) and wouldn't change the interface for the less experienced and more nice-looking-interface oriented playres .
- stability on steam is still so-so. But improving and we could easily hope it will keep on improving over time.
- not being really able to decide a random start today is a small issue which can easily get fixed with random draws for the first starting player while seeding, and using Berger pairings in Round Robins.
I can't judge how fast the online TTR game is dying. I guess some pricing policies might be an issue for many players around. But again, it's a normal cycle of a game. Unless some new features are added and a community is encouraged. In this sense, adding of a lot of maps recently (I've seen only nordic and europe expansions as I'm new) is a nice step in the newer features.
Now I guess that after so many games played for you more experiences players, some exhaustion can appear. And that a combination of traffic slowing down and a new imperfect interface might be enough to transition away from the game. Which in itself is much worse for TTR online than a change of interface if a lot of you guys stop.
My 2 cents really, but I'd be glad to have some of you answering.
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Thanks for the contribution.
There's obviously a question of habit. I am perfectly fine with no game log, but it's hard to see whether some locos were played or not on a track, or even hard to know what color was played on a grey track. This is crucial information in a 2-player or even in a multiplayer game. I'd agree that you don't really need to see what was played 2 rounds around, but I'd imagine that you would be allowed to have a look at the discard pile in real life too until it's reshuffled. (and irl, it does not take 1/10 of a sec to go from our hand to the pile, nor do they disappear right away).
There was an argument in the past made by DoW creator that online players being "metagamers" would not be guaranteed to beat regular boardgame players in a live tournament. I think that the past experience shows that this factor did not really matter. That you get the information gathered on a screen, and that you need to go look for it in a live situation does not affect the general skills of a player.
Yes, there were improvements for bots, for the knowledge of the size of the deck, the start set-up and ranking filters.
So the personal experience for a casual player is now pretty good I'd agree.
If you want to watch a game, you have to click on each single game to know where your friends are. When you are off the app, you can not know that your buddy is around online, but not on the app.
Finally, there are too much stuff on the screen that is just useless. As old/obsolete the Java app is, it just gathered information in a simple way, with no "fluff". I guess players are creatures of habits, so that bothers most of us (when the player who's played on Steam only does not even notice that).
For instance, the number of trains/cards left/ train cards/points are at 3 different locations for yourself. If you play 4 players, you have to look at 12 different spots. That just makes the game less comfortable.
On the Java app, all is gathered at the bottom right corner of the window.
There used to be 250 games played at the same time on the Java app. Even if half of them were played with a bot, there were still 125 games played at the same time.
The new product, probably for good reasons, favors an "app" type of use: local play/solo play, which are probably way more exciting for app players than the online mode.
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I've been trying to give Steam a full chance (and my score shows it).
Nordic was the first map I played, so I am thrilled to have a chance to play it online. So, I have motivation to play late nights US and get some games in to give Steam a fair chance.
I am glad to see VojfromMars give opinions. Here is some of my answer.
Tracking Prior Play
Nordic actually shows some huge holes for competitive play that have to do with the difficulty of figuring out what your opponent has played. There are exchange rules for the long route and for ferries and any combination of colors can be used to make the exchanges. It is NOT easy to see what colors were used for an exchange (or even that an exchange was made). And colors in Nordic are alot like Swiss - locos can't be played everywhere. So, knowledge of what colors are available and what have been played can help you make game winning decisions.
Knock's Headache
I can relate to the headache - but it has more to do with Sysy's comments about the number of places you have to look on the screen to collect information. User interface design supposedly has been studied and researched thoroughly - and yet developers everywhere happily ignore that research.
The whole point of a good design is to reduce eye strain and increase the speed at which people can gather relevant information. Having multiple eye focus points increases eye strain and reduces information gathering.
Even After Many Games
I feel I have been giving Steam lots of looks. Over time, I HAVE become used to many things, just as I did when I learned the java version.
BUT, let's be honest. Most of the players I can play on Steam are not highly competitive. I can get by with being a little sloppy and still win most of the time. If I were to play a more competitive game, many of these frustrations would STILL come to bother me - even after getting 'used' to them.
Come on DoW
I've tried to add my opinions on the DoW feedback site as well.
What bothers me is that they are working so hard to add map after map. Gee, that's nice. But, they're rushing to add maps, which only dilutes the player base and the loyalty to the game. They should spread the games out and build anticipation for each - just like they have with their board games. India barely had a chance to catch on when Nordic was added. Nordic had even less time before Europe 1912. If the number of players is already limited online, how will you find a player to play the map you want at this point?
And, as Knock and Sysy have pointed out, there have been people trying to suggest a few good changes that would support competitive play. I really don't think the suggestions were of the variety 'please make it be just like java version.' But, the reality is that the developers don't seem to believe that there ARE players that keep track of tickets, colors, order of play and even calculate some odds in their heads during play. I'm really not sure how they can believe that and at the same time support a chess-like ranking structure...
I'm not sure why I am spending so much time typing this. Maybe it's because I feel like there WAS a way the conversion to Steam could have happened without making it so hard for players to move to it. But, that way wasn't taken - and I'm still hopeful that something will be done to fix it so that some of my good friends will continue to play.
My 2 cents.
Rob
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Oh, and one more thing.
If they are using good software design practices (ha), it should NOT be impossible to allow each client some flexibility in arranging their own playing board for their best viewing. Each item on the screen is an element/object that is simply given an x/y position within the window. Each player/client has their own instance of that object that they see. But, I suspect that may make brains explode when they consider how it might alter some of the animations.
Oh well.
Rob
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| GenuineFauxFarm-CIA wrote on Thu, 02 June 2016 05:01 |
What bothers me is that they are working so hard to add map after map.
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Yep, new levels for the ipad players. Unlock this, unlock that. Add achievements. Buy this special coin. Buy the extra level.
Candy crush and Angry birds make their owners very rich. Boardgamegeek or Dow online on java, not so much.
Any suggestions you guys may type on their forms is just free research and debugging for the developer.
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| CIA Truckerteller wrote on Thu, 02 June 2016 09:31 |
Any suggestions you guys may type on their forms is just free research and debugging for the developer.
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And, frankly, I have no problem with that since I have some investment in the community that came along with the online version of the game. I'd gladly make the trade if they took some of this community's suggestions and put them into Steam so we'd be happy to move over and keep the group alive.
Besides, I highly doubt they are listening all that well to use anything I say in a way that works to their advantage anyway.
Just a stupid farmer.. goin' back out to plant more stuff....
Rob
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Thu, 02 June 2016 21:23
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Just played EMC by Web. It is the worst thing as I see. Lost one game due Web version bad user interface. I had 6 green and 6 red. They are near each other, and no difference between it. Try to build tunnel for 6 green and got 1 extra card because in 3 opened cards was 1 red. So no red at all, useless green on the hand and no loco...
Also it has ugly interface with small pictures that makes pain for my eyes.
Additionly opponent three times was replaced by bot. Really good point for playing Steam with bad connections.
And next (but not last) I can't to play by clicking on cards and then second click on the road. I have to drag cards and have chance for misclic...
It's masochism to play Web. I hate Web version. No tournaments with it.
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Thu, 02 June 2016 23:17
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LOL
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Fri, 03 June 2016 01:02
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Well, you just seem to have the same point of view as us. You just like the interface you've played on over the years. You've created habits of play, and it's hard to get used to something else.
Over 15,000 games, I probably played the wrong color on the web app 1 or 2 times.
Let's talk numbers.
I remember seeing 16,000 players with an established ranking in 2009/2010, just with the old web Java app. The ipad app was not even there yet.
Nowadays, you have tons of different maps, you have apparently a super awesome new platform, you can play on all the platforms you want: browser, steam, ipad, android, Mac, kindle etc... And yet, you only have 11,000 players ranked. Where did those 5,000 weekly players go ?
Ticket to Ride online has become a solo/local app, it's not a boardgame online. You don't meet players in the lobby, you meet customers. Players pay $3 to $7 to play an app, get bored after 5 to 100 games for most of them and leave. But they paid, so it's fine. It's just the way it is now, and you have to accept it I guess.
And yes, the community has taken a hit.
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Fri, 03 June 2016 11:23
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Firstly, in 2009 T2R was more popular then now.
Secondly, in 2009 we have another screen resolution and Web was good enough for eyes. And good enough for UI requirements.
Novadays it's looks like fossil eggs of dinosaur.
New players come from Steam, Android and iPad are most powerful platforms for now. Of course it takes time and it is long process. New version hasn't finished yet, but may be in one year we will have 90% of players in new application (Steam/iPad/Android) and only part of veterans still playing Web. Because no new players and old players will out time by time.
And this situation devide community and make more weak  But anyway every of you know that in close future all games will be with new version.
Alexander
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@ Alexander
Old platform will probably die by lack of players.
But new platform will never be a competitive platform (excepted is Dow make a lot of changes for "old players" from java version, and in the lobby to find new competitive players).
Because new platform isn't made for competitive players, only (as sysy said) for customers and solo players or fun players.
just give me some names of new players who started to play since they created the new platform (more than 6 monthes now), who plays well, who know something about high level games, who know something about tournaments ?
VojFromMars. And ?
Just open your eyes guys, we will unfortunately never find the take over in new players by this platform as it is currently managed by DOW.
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vigulisam
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LOL, I came from new platform and already beat you at least 2 times in tournament games 
I agree that some features should be add to new platform, but java version has sooooooo bad interface, that brakes my mind when i'm playing it. Sivorro, who is on top now, he also came from new platform, we have never played java version before.
Different lobbies is the main problem now, so it's hard to find people for play, but when old lobby will be closed, I think people will start to play new version (if they love T2R).
And we have to w8 this moment, because while old version exists old players are in their comfort zone and they don't need any changes. Instead of ALL coming to new platform and start to playing there with new and old players, they are just waiting for closing old version.
Don't say me that when old version will be closed everyone who prefers web will end to play T2R. You love this game I know that. You can't just forget everything.
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Mon, 06 June 2016 13:49
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On old iPad app I saw only animation of opponent claiming track and remember it.
Now I can check it after move
For me now it's became easy 
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Ah Stas,
But you still miss my point about games like Nordic. It does not show the cards when they are played and if there is a 3 for 1 or 4 for 1 swap.
And, if you keep calling me a dinosaur I will be forced to come over there and challenge you to a weeding duel. I suspect I will win.
Rob
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PS. Anyone who would like to visit the farm about now would be welcome. Bring gloves and be ready to try to keep up.
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It's true. I respect all old players (dinosaurs) But in my mind next step to go forward is kill Java lobby. I don't believe in ending T2R career of all old players. May be somebody will take a break.
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Kill the Java lobby will not help the new platform. Again, if the platform was that good, players would have moved there by themselves. There are more maps, more features, more players reached through IOS, Android etc..., and yet only 17 players in the lobby.
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I think people will start to play new version (if they love T2R).
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I'd say that tournament players are coming 70% for the social fun, 30% for the fun of the game itself. No social fun, no new platform... At least, this is how I see it.
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I can add I never used a game log . NEVER.
And yes I never played Java before MEMC semifinal where I had to play it.
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I don't use the log, but just seeing the colors/loco played is necessary.
If the colors/loco played are not important, they might as well remove the number of trains/cards/points for the other players, have everybody play their solitaire game and see who has most points at the end.
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| RUS vigulisam wrote on Tue, 07 June 2016 20:01 |
U can see what colors were played in the new platform.
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Yes but no ...
The information is not provided automatically, you have to do extra clicks to get it. This slows down the game (and is annoying as it disturbs the flow).
The "easy way" only works if you are fast enough - if your connection is slow or if you just completed a ticket and have to wait for the animation to finish you are too slow and have to use the "even longer way" (provided that you know it because somebody told you about it').
The icons are so small, for old ladies like me it's very hard to see them correctly even with glasses.
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Fri, 10 June 2016 12:09
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Sylvain has asked again by developers to add the last move in the avatar. It's a feasible point and this should solve the issue once and for all. Let's face it, as nice as the log might be, how many players remember more than 2 past moves in multis? I mean in real board game. However, last move should be clear or else multis are unplayable (in 2ers you may ask your opponent for 3-4 important moves throughout the game or click on avatar).
There's another issue that raises more concern for me. How many US-based players participate in multis? I have a feeling that the percentage of US-based players has declined in past 2 years (even in 2ers). Is this a false impression?
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I played more then enough games on old steam version(pc), ipad version, java and at the table of course(thousands on each platform except table). Thats why I think I can be quite fair talking on the topic. I did manage to learn all the features of the new steam version(pc) just recently. Such as repeating last opponents turn, starting the game in right order, inviting special players, all those amazing options like no bots(which is actually enough to play new platform only), min rating setup games, max time limitation not to mention perfect, easy on eyes, brains and hands interface.
I am totally shocked of the fact that such a discussion (web vs steam) even exists here. Having such a wonderful(not without some graphic bugs yet though) version and playing tournaments on java with endless bots-destroyed games, one-card-in-a-turn bug, frozen java screens --absolute nonsence to me. Old java is Nowhere even near as good as new steam version, for tournaments in particular.
On journal issue topic.. Some players don't use a journal and It's not their issue obviosly. But most competetive players do use, I do too and always did, but I easily accept playing without a journal if the rule is one for everyone. Not like it was before when some players gained an advantage over an ipad players f.e..
The new interface without a journal and only last opponents turns perfect replay is much more similar to real table game playing experience. That obviously make competetive game I would say more challenging, requires more concentration and focus from players. Does that make sence?
I see the only like "REAL" reason some players reject playing via steam: playing many games from corporate computers and an inability to install the steam for that reason.
For all other players- please try it for real, not like "I've played one game, It's all different.. not like java and I lost a game...I didn't like It.. and I quit". Spend few days to learn all the features, get used to new interface and you'll not be dissapointed.
PS. Many thanks to DOW! Great job, well done and keep working please. Congrats!
PSS to all "Grumbling dinosaurs": people from Dow working and their work have to be payd. And yes that is their business and their own business development vision after all...accept it. Are you loving the game or are you not?? It's not the DOW killing the online competetive game and the community.
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@ Alexander
Old platform will probably die by lack of players.
But new platform will never be a competitive platform (excepted is Dow make a lot of changes for "old players" from java version, and in the lobby to find new competitive players).
Because new platform isn't made for competitive players, only (as sysy said) for customers and solo players or fun players.
just give me some names of new players who started to play since they created the new platform (more than 6 monthes now), who plays well, who know something about high level games, who know something about tournaments ?
VojFromMars. And ?
Just open your eyes guys, we will unfortunately never find the take over in new players by this platform as it is currently managed by DOW.
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The only way a new player can grow to what you call high level is watching high class online games with dinosaurs(in positive sence, good old player) like yourself laying 6er after 6er!
That's how it was in my case and I am quite sure It's the same for most other new players.
If you and other good players will still ignore the new platform- yes the competetive online game will probably die without new fresh blood. So it's mine, yours and a personal choice of everyone. Decide...
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vigulisam
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Re:Steam vs. Web discussion Thread
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Thu, 30 June 2016 13:43
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I was glad to read that posts from Stason, That's the same i wanted to post, but i don't have enough English skills for that.
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RUS Sivorro
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Re:Steam vs. Web discussion Thread
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Thu, 30 June 2016 13:53
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All Russa Mafia signed by all our mate Stason's arguments.
Please think about new way of our lovely game. It's going forward.
Yesterday Oleg said he now like steam and will play our Euroleague match here. A week ago he told me via PM steam is crap! All of you need to try it for a some period.
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Knockando
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Re:Steam vs. Web discussion Thread
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Sat, 09 July 2016 23:50
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So, after hundreds of casual games on steam, lot of work to help or try to help Dow's team to make it goes better, I tried a second match on steam.
To play well and to have fun in playing, I need to be concentrated on the game.
And on steam it isn't possible.
1-On java I can see in a simple glance in the same place number of tickets, cards, wagons, and score of each player.
On steam it isn't on the same place, so I have to watch down right, then above left, and be careful because the different numbers aren't put in a similar way.
2-On java I can see in the same place the cards my opponent played (and I speak only about the last turn, not the complete log !)
On steam I have to click on the opponent's avatar to see what he played. And sometimes it isn't enough because I waited 3 or 4 seconds and I have to click after that in another place (not the icon but the name this time) and after that on another icon in the middle of the screen ! And if my chat is opened I can't see well, I have to close my chat and click another time.
3-And if my chat is closed I miss a lot of messages from my opponnent, because his message appears in the above left of the screen and disappears after a few seconds, and I don't see it when I'm thinking.
On java the chat is just next to other informations, and even if I don't notice it immediately the messages doesn't disappear.
4- the black "it's your turn" every 10 seconds is just... don't find the english word for that...unbearable ?
How can I be concentated in my game with all of that ? Perhaps some players can, but not me. For casual games, just spending my time, it is ok. For trying to win games, it isn't.
5-On java at the end of the game you can see (again) in a simple glance results, and one click give you the opponents' cards.
On steam you have to wait, click on different places...
I just talked about the game itself, because for tournaments it is enough.
But lobby is in the same style, probably worse...
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vigulisam
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Re:Steam vs. Web discussion Thread
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Sun, 10 July 2016 13:30
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All that you have mentioned it's just your habit. I started T2R at steam so:
1. In steam I know where exactly to find number of tickets, cards, wagons, and score of each player.
on java it isn't on the same place, so I have to be careful.
2. On steam i can see the last move of my opponent not only by clicking his avatar, also it can be seen while he making his move.
3. Intaractive messages on steam helps me to find out that somebody telling something.
On java it's bad, coz while I'm thinking I can not mention someones messages.
4. here I can agree with Knock, it's useless to remind me that now it's my turn every 30 sec. That's a very big problem, thinking about ending my T2R career coz of that.
5. On steam at the end of the game you can see in a simple glance results, and one click give you the opponents' cards.
On java you have to click on different places.
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Truckerteller
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Re:Steam vs. Web discussion Thread
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Mon, 18 July 2016 23:16
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Just played Sivorro on Steam.
WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP.
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onyx puffin LOL
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Re:Steam vs. Web discussion Thread
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Sat, 23 July 2016 20:36
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| RUS vigulisam wrote on Sun, 10 July 2016 07:30 |
All that you have mentioned it's just your habit. I started T2R at steam so:
1. In steam I know where exactly to find number of tickets, cards, wagons, and score of each player.
on java it isn't on the same place, so I have to be careful.
2. On steam i can see the last move of my opponent not only by clicking his avatar, also it can be seen while he making his move.
5. On steam at the end of the game you can see in a simple glance results, and one click give you the opponents' cards.
On java you have to click on different places.
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I have often wondered about #1, that if I had learned steam first, would I prefer it? *(I know even with using steam sometimes, I still prefer java)
I did not know #2 or #5, IN fact with #5, I have found it a pain to not know the final when done, and have to watch all the silly graphics adding up the scores. Makes it almost as slow as the real physical board game. Of course with physical home game, we have to re-add all the track points which takes awhile,  but with that there is the pleasure of physically putting your track in.
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vigulisam
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Re:Steam vs. Web discussion Thread
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Mon, 25 July 2016 12:08
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You can skip this silly graphics using 1 click, it's not so hard
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