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allan bam
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NC 2017 PLAYOFF
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Mon, 04 December 2017 04:29
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......
.BAM vs RUS... 1,5 : 2,5
4,0 : 2,0 ... ATLeague - Eskender
3,0 : 3,0 ... Allan - Sivorro
2,5 : 3,5 ... Vballman - Stason
1,0 : 5,0 ... Tinman - Lexx
Grats RUS. GL with TGV.
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SuperPello
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF
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Mon, 04 December 2017 09:45
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My pleasure. Send lineups to me.
Marco
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SuperPello
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RUS Sivorro
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF
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Tue, 05 December 2017 00:17
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They called me also—`yellow fish' was it not?"
"Worm—worm—earth-worm," said Bagheera, "as well as other things which I cannot now say for shame."
"We must remind them to speak well of their master.
Aaa-ssp!"
Sivo - Allan
Sunday, 21-00 cet.
Cu
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Knockando
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Tue, 05 December 2017 19:55
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Volleytom-Knockando
tomorrow wednesday, 20:00 CET
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= ZiL =
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Tue, 05 December 2017 20:41
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and kasi ZiL Thursday 21.00
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onyx puffin LOL
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RUS Docent
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF
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Fri, 08 December 2017 21:11
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Grats, Lexx! Well done!
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LeGoupil
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF
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Sat, 09 December 2017 07:03
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I did not get any reply from Schwenn to my pm after a few days. CUT team members, can you contact him ? Do you know why he s not answering yet ?
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LeGoupil
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF
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Sun, 10 December 2017 14:14
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| LeGoupil écrit le Sat, 09 December 2017 07:03 |
I did not get any reply from Schwenn to my pm after a few days. CUT team members, can you contact him ? Do you know why he s not answering yet ?
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We have a agreement !
Deciding match will be played in 20 min.
I hope some people can see this post and will cheer us up
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LeGoupil
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF
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Sun, 10 December 2017 15:47
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| LeGoupil écrit le Sun, 10 December 2017 14:14 |
| LeGoupil écrit le Sat, 09 December 2017 07:03 |
I did not get any reply from Schwenn to my pm after a few days. CUT team members, can you contact him ? Do you know why he s not answering yet ?
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We have a agreement !
Deciding match will be played in 20 min.
I hope some people can see this post and will cheer us up
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I won 4 2, with a decisive 6th game.
Sven found tix on last turn, but that was not enough.
Good tix on both sides, nice routes every game, pleasant clash against Sven and CUT in general.
Tatataaaam TGV !
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Knockando
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Sun, 10 December 2017 17:05
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Nicolas21-Claro : 4-2
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allan bam
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF
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Sun, 10 December 2017 19:16
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Well done TGV. Time for me to channel my inner clutch Nicolas21
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RUS Docent
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF
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Sun, 10 December 2017 23:32
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Grats RUS, well done!
| onyx puffin BAM wrote on Wed, 06 December 2017 17:53 |
CUT vs TGV 1.5 - 2.5
Tenniskasi vs Zil 3-3
VolleyTom vs Knockando 4-2
Claro vs Nicolas21 4-2
Schwen vs LeGoupil 4-2
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Something wrong?
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RUS Sivorro
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF
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Sun, 10 December 2017 23:46
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| RUS Sivorro wrote on Tue, 05 December 2017 02:17 |
They called me also—`yellow fish' was it not?"
"Worm—worm—earth-worm," said Bagheera, "as well as other things which I cannot now say for shame."
"We must remind them to speak well of their master.
Aaa-ssp!"
Sivo - Allan
Sunday, 21-00 cet.
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3-3
We are in final!!!
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RUS Sivorro
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Mon, 11 December 2017 02:04
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I'm here from 2014 year and all years tried to make RUS team as strong as possible. We grow up from year to year:
NC 2014: failed group
NC 2015: made PO
NC 2016: semifinal
NC 2017: final
Yes I understood this year less teams than usual. But we have what we have.
In final we will opposite top performers from 2 French teams (champ & taka) but I promise you we will make it as hard as can!
Thank you all my teammates for having opportunity being here in final!
GO RUS GO!!!
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general7star
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allan bam
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Mon, 11 December 2017 13:59
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I think Nicolas21 has difficulties logging onto steam. We played over 200+ 2p games against each other (likely my most or second most frequent opponent, other being scorps), but a game of Asia map between us has never happened, despite Nico constantly asked me to play Asia, because of such difficulty. I heard in steam we can invite players who never bought the map.
If such rule is enforced, he might need to figure it out. And maybe we can give me some Asia coaching  .
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onyx puffin LOL
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CIA ommie
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Mon, 11 December 2017 18:18
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Beware of Steam and thos RUSsians....it's a total scam!!! 
Stas can also take notice of that rule for his own team. 
GOOD LUCK to TGV and RUS!
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allan bam
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Mon, 11 December 2017 18:37
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| CIA ommie wrote on Mon, 11 December 2017 12:18 |
Beware of Steam and thos RUSsians....it's a total scam!!!
Stas can also take notice of that rule for his own team.
GOOD LUCK to TGV and RUS!
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I knew steam is a scam when I played about 15 2p games on steam and I probably got 1 start in total (I didn't started a single time two days ago when I played on Steam). Guys abusing starter button giving themselves the start  , or I should buy the lottery..
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Knockando
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RUS Sivorro
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Mon, 11 December 2017 21:44
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| CIA ommie wrote on Mon, 11 December 2017 20:18 |
Beware of Steam and thos RUSsians....it's a total scam!!!
Stas can also take notice of that rule for his own team.
GOOD LUCK to TGV and RUS!
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Yesterday after out move to Java Allan was bottled 2 times. He really lucky it was not in the last turns cause he have to accept 1 bot turn. In steam it's impossible.
If he lose this 2 games by bot factor would it fair?!
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allan bam
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF
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Mon, 11 December 2017 21:45
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| RUS Sivorro wrote on Mon, 11 December 2017 15:44 |
| CIA ommie wrote on Mon, 11 December 2017 20:18 |
Beware of Steam and thos RUSsians....it's a total scam!!!
Stas can also take notice of that rule for his own team.
GOOD LUCK to TGV and RUS!
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Yesterday after out move to Java Allan was bottled 2 times. He really lucky it was not in the last turns cause he have to accept 1 bot turn. In steam it's impossible.
If he lose this 2 games by bot factor would it fair?!
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One time I bot out due to too many apps opened. The other time I intentionally botted then rejoined because I had a legitimate decision.
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RUS Sivorro
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Mon, 11 December 2017 21:59
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Allan, imagine
Decider game last -1 turn. You botted. Bot does stupid turn. You lose.
By rules all is ok.
Your feeling?
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Stason
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF
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Tue, 12 December 2017 14:08
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Who is the strongest TGV player?
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LeGoupil
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Tue, 12 December 2017 14:45
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| Stason écrit le Tue, 12 December 2017 14:08 |
Who is the strongest TGV player?
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Why don't we do the following ?
The player (if only one) in RUS that can only play steam puts himself on 4th spot 
In TGV we can all play java, and some can play steam to accommodate this special need, but not all.
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Stason
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LeGoupil
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Tue, 12 December 2017 15:17
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| Stason écrit le Tue, 12 December 2017 15:07 |
We don't have a player which is able to play on one particular platform only. We did proof that in this tournament already. We can all play both, we just want the game to be fair, without those ridicolous "1 bot turn is ok" rules. The final must be played with absolutely random pairs, thats what I am 100% sure about. Without those special 4th places for special players.
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My opinion on that : I do not think it is necessary to play on steam at all.
We would lose most spectators and playing on steam does not add much value. The "botted player" case you mention is very marginal.
Remember, we play TTR for fun, and the tournaments have always been played with respect of each other.
If one gets botted out, it is up to the players to decide.
One example in this NC is my game against Fainaz : server crashed (that can happen on any platform). I asked him his tix, to confirm he had sure win, and gave the game up. The game was never recorded or played to end, but it really does not matter.
There is no reason that we cannot accommodate an event that might occur during final.
Worst case, some random event disturbs the already random execution of games. It's really just a game, we had fun so far in the tournament and get to play another exciting clash, we are both winners.
There is no reason to complicate things by having some new and convoluted steam requirement.
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Stason
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Tue, 12 December 2017 15:31
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I thought most players,who is/was interested in playing/watching NC did install steam and tried to play it, just didn't love it.
You sound like a top sportment: "Guys we do it for you, our spectators, if not you nothing of this would be possible...blahblahblah" )))
And that comes from a guy who plays his decisive half-final match without an ad, after post at the very final moment at the forum, without spectators. You really care about specs so much, I mean honestly?
Who really does want to watch games but not able to do this?? Is that really a problem? Would be great to make a pole somehow.
Of course Im ready to compromise, if we really loose the majority of the specs, as you say, I just don't believe this is the case at the moment.
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LeGoupil
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Tue, 12 December 2017 17:02
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| Stason écrit le Tue, 12 December 2017 15:31 |
I thought most players,who is/was interested in playing/watching NC did install steam and tried to play it, just didn't love it.
You sound like a top sportment: "Guys we do it for you, our spectators, if not you nothing of this would be possible...blahblahblah" )))
And that comes from a guy who plays his decisive half-final match without an ad, after post at the very final moment at the forum, without spectators. You really care about specs so much, I mean honestly?
Who really does want to watch games but not able to do this?? Is that really a problem? Would be great to make a pole somehow.
Of course Im ready to compromise, if we really loose the majority of the specs, as you say, I just don't believe this is the case at the moment.
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Thanks for your note. I confirm I was happy to play with Schwen with little anticipation as we managed to find good compromise given our challenging constraints. Of course it is better when it can be played with people watching.
I gave my opinion, that's it. Our captains and TD will take the best decision based on experience and opinions expressed by the community.
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Stason
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Tue, 12 December 2017 17:03
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There is nothing to discuss at this stage to be honest. Rules are the rules. Let's just have a fair random draw and we won't get any platform-related issues probably.
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CIA ommie
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Tue, 12 December 2017 18:25
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If you think NC is not about spectators, then you know nothing of its history nor how fun it's been.
If you have never chatted on skype with other players while watching an NC match, you've totally missed out. NC has been the most important tournament on ttr and spectators have been a big part of it. I realize there are players who don't like to observe games and that's too bad.
Sysy and I have been disappointed with the Steam experience. For long time players, Steam just doesn't match our expectations. I understand the bot issue. If Steam were a perfect upgrade, there would be no platform discussion.
Sounds like TGV and RUS can just submit their lineups and go with what is selected.
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Tue, 12 December 2017 19:44
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Java environment is easier to manage together with Skype than Steam.
More important: the observe function was faulty in last NC. This is the part that Ommie addresses. I didn't try it in later upgrades, but in the patch notes there weren't remrks about the observe function.
NC is all about observe the other games. That is the reason for which closed games are forbidden. We thought about playing closed when cheating was a big trouble but went other ways because keeping games open and observable was crucial.
Single competitions are a different topic but team competitions developed on building team spirit through skype chatrooms where we discussed games live while observing.
In any case this is not of big importance, because the real future lies in developing more the players pool of the Steam lobby.
A Postscriptum:
The big falldown was that we were the beta-testers of the Steam version a couple of years ago and we were not aware that the two lobbies would heave been divided creating a rift between the players (nice communication ) .
That was the final straw: DOW members always saw online competitions as an afterthought and they progressed without their direct help. When we tried to collaborate with them nothing happened of relevant.
We felt betrayed by the lack of communication that practically killed what the TTR competitions were online. We just needed a warning about what they were thinking of doing. Now we are just living a shadow of before 
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RUS Eskender
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Tue, 12 December 2017 22:41
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I personally think that the result will ne more reliable and much less depend on chance, if we play the final on 6 boards...
Or, even better, on 8 boards )))
And at least 2 games on each board - chess ))
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Wed, 13 December 2017 00:51
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| RUS Eskender écrit le Tue, 12 December 2017 22:41 |
I personally think that the result will ne more reliable and much less depend on chance, if we play the final on 6 boards...
Or, even better, on 8 boards )))
And at least 2 games on each board - chess ))
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I'm ok for the chess games. I'd also suggest a duplicate IMP bridge match and a very deep stack poker with 10/20€ blinds. We could also add some go to the mix.
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