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Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Fri, 09 March 2018 03:34
Does anyone have an idea when this expansion will ship in April I'm getting anxious to get my hand on the new maps and cards ?
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Fri, 09 March 2018 03:44
April first. Laughing Shocked Rolling Eyes Twisted Evil
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Fri, 09 March 2018 06:08
I would love if that is the date they ship
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Fri, 09 March 2018 09:01
1/4!

HAHAHAHA !!!
Good one.

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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Fri, 20 April 2018 02:55
For what it's worth, sellers on Amazon are showing dates of 26th-30th of April, so not too much longer.
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Fri, 20 April 2018 03:46
Some lucky fellows in Europe already have their copies.

Shocked Twisted Evil
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Fri, 20 April 2018 04:21
Still waiting on ours in the US Sad

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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Fri, 20 April 2018 10:17
Clexton27 wrote on Fri, 20 April 2018 03:46

Some lucky fellows in Europe already have their copies.

Shocked Twisted Evil


Some even played the game already Rolling Eyes Cool
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Fri, 20 April 2018 12:31
How do some of the new maps play do they feel like there very in depth or do they feel a little thrown together ?
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Fri, 20 April 2018 14:21
Hunter Velk wrote on Fri, 20 April 2018 12:31

How do some of the new maps play do they feel like there very in depth or do they feel a little thrown together ?


What I've played so far is that they try to make them very historical. This is great of course but that doesn't make them necessarily balanced.

The two desert scenarios i've played (both sides) are really towards one side.
Besides that you have the combat cards. these are a great addition to the game, but some of them are really power full.
I played a 2-2-2 when I really need to counter attack but my opponent played "sandstorm" (all enemy units can only move 1 and can only attack in close assault) practical it meant that my opponent got two turns...

Is this all bad? No I don't think so. the scenarios are fun to play and the combat cards adds some flavor and fun. So you will have a good time. cards like "sandstorm" are terrible in a 1 vs 1 game, but in overlord it's less painful.

For me being a "tournament player"(give it a name) I really like to have as little randomness in the game as possible. I want to optimize my chances at success by managing my cards, maneuvering on the battlefield and make strategic decisions. Some combat cards are to powerful and some scenarios to unbalanced for that. But that's of course: personal taste Smile

Richard Borg made a great expansion which I really don't regret buying.

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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Fri, 20 April 2018 20:01
I got mine a week ago so keep the faith.

J.
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Fri, 20 April 2018 22:21
Antoi wrote on Fri, 20 April 2018 08:21

Hunter Velk wrote on Fri, 20 April 2018 12:31

How do some of the new maps play do they feel like there very in depth or do they feel a little thrown together ?


Besides that you have the combat cards. these are a great addition to the game, but some of them are really power full.
I played a 2-2-2 when I really need to counter attack but my opponent played "sandstorm" (all enemy units can only move 1 and can only attack in close assault) practical it meant that my opponent got two turns...


Funny you should mention the Sandstorm Combat Card. At the last WBC with play tested the desert CCs during an OL game. Sandstorm was played twice but the wording varied between the two Sandstorms played. This caused a bit of confusion around the table. Also, a number of players agreed it was too powerful. In our game the first one played, negated an Armor Assault so a very good card was lost along with a turn. A Combat Card should add a bit of flavor, not have such an impact.

Once I played Out of Fuel which had a very big impact after my opponent played Armor Assault but this was caused by the nature of the scenario's terrain.

I normally do not house rule, but I would be inclined to limit the effects of the Sandstorm card, perhaps to one unit being affected.

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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Sat, 21 April 2018 10:22
I haven't got my copy yet, but if sandstorms were a key feature in the desert War then I'm happy to keep it as is to retain 'theatre flavour'. I don't want the Combat decks to be identical in effect with just different card titles and illustrations.
      
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I want to clarify what I brought to WBC last year. Richard was nice enough and gave me the OK to try his preliminary versions of both combat decks. These versions were from 2016. They were well done but by no means a finished product. So, the combat cards I brought were of two types mixed together into one deck. One was his version of each card and the second one were cards of my ideas that I had sent him. What John mentions in his post about the two Sandstorm cards was that both Richards and a version of mine were in the deck. Playing with the cards with my friends for about a year got me tinkering with some of the ones I wasn't crazy about. I must have forgot to remove my altered versions of his cards from the deck. I really didn't want those cards being played.

Let me also say I was as surprised as anyone that the combat card expansion came out this year. I have not seen the final version of the cards. When I last corresponded with Richard months before WBC he sounded very pessimistic about the expansion being produced this year or at all. I attempted to reach Richard after WBC but didn't hear back and assumed the combat card project was shelved and he had moved on.
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Sun, 22 April 2018 12:39
Achtung Panzer wrote on Sat, 21 April 2018 10:22

I haven't got my copy yet, but if sandstorms were a key feature in the desert War then I'm happy to keep it as is to retain 'theatre flavour'. I don't want the Combat decks to be identical in effect with just different card titles and illustrations.


I prefer differend combat decks too. And I agree that "sandstorms" had major impacts on the battlefield. The thing Antoi mentioned (I was his opponent) that as player you can decide when the sandstorm occurs and crippling an opponents card and turn. On a 5 medal map in the desert this means a major impact on the result (read you can win the game with it).

Don't get me wrong, I bought the expansion and like this one as it is fun to play. Perhaps not the best balanced, to use for tournament play Very Happy.
But what is most important about playing Memoir.... have fun.
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Mon, 23 April 2018 04:34
Cpl_Uhl wrote on Sun, 22 April 2018 06:39

Achtung Panzer wrote on Sat, 21 April 2018 10:22

I haven't got my copy yet, but if sandstorms were a key feature in the desert War then I'm happy to keep it as is to retain 'theatre flavour'. I don't want the Combat decks to be identical in effect with just different card titles and illustrations.


I prefer differend combat decks too. And I agree that "sandstorms" had major impacts on the battlefield. The thing Antoi mentioned (I was his opponent) that as player you can decide when the sandstorm occurs and crippling an opponents card and turn. On a 5 medal map in the desert this means a major impact on the result (read you can win the game with it).




After reviewing the other combat cards, most only affect one unit. A few can affected more than one ordered unit. None affect more than one ordered enemy unit and thus in most cases in a regular game, would not in essence negate an entire turn.

What I have an issue with this certain card is that it can give an opponent back to back turns. I believe that to be over the top for what is intended to add a bit of flavor in the form of combat cards to a game.

As to the actual effects of a sandstorm during any battle, I do not know what historically happened. I would think an unexpected one may cause problems for one side or the other if not both. I suspect not much fighting took place in such an event.

In any case, I will wait to see the card for myself and go from there.
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Mon, 23 April 2018 13:56
In Richard Borg’s C&C game, The Great War, there is a combat card entitled Lost Messenger. When played on an opponents command card, it reduces the opponents play to ordering only one unit this turn. When the opponent plays an infantry assault card (similar in effect to Memoir ‘44) he is now forced to only order one unit and loses the card as his turn ends. However, the mechanic for playing combat cards in The Great War requires that you pay in HQ tokens to play combat cards. The Lost Messenger card cost 6 HQ tokens and is the most expensive combat card to play. In this way, the cost to both sides is expensive; for one the loss of orders and a turn and to the other the 6 HQ tokens and so in a way it is a more balanced approach. I think if the effects of the sandstorm were felt by both sides it might be a more tolerable action.

Rewriting the rules already, and don’t even have the expansion yet! Twisted Evil Rolling Eyes

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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Mon, 23 April 2018 14:53
One of the two Sandstorm cards in the WBC deck stated that the effect would continue on the player who played the cards turn. I thought that would be more thematic than the card just affecting one unit. If you were going to include a Sandstorm card I felt that this wording would lessen the power of the card.
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Tue, 24 April 2018 15:10
I guess being able to control the weather is a popular idea.

http://allthetropes.wikia.com/wiki/Weather_Control_Machine
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Tue, 24 April 2018 21:19
Antoi écrit le Fri, 20 April 2018 14:21

Besides that you have the combat cards. these are a great addition to the game, but some of them are really power full.
I played a 2-2-2 when I really need to counter attack but my opponent played "sandstorm" (all enemy units can only move 1 and can only attack in close assault) practical it meant that my opponent got two turns...


The rule says that "a Combat Card may not be played against a player that has played a Combat card alongside his command card on that turn".

So a way to protect a good card such as 2-2-2 or armor assault is to play simultaneously a Combat card.
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Wed, 25 April 2018 15:21
That's a good find Smile
Seems indeed that you have to play a combat card next to a good command card..

      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Wed, 25 April 2018 16:01
Clexton27 wrote on Fri, 20 April 2018 03:46

Some lucky fellows in Europe already have their copies.

Shocked Twisted Evil


Our copies are on their way! Lucky us!
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Fri, 27 April 2018 16:25
Philipbirt in Strasbourg now shipping. euro32 to Ireland
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Fri, 27 April 2018 19:01
Cool Stuff Inc. now shipping in US.
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Sat, 28 April 2018 15:30
Mine shipped yesterday.
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Sun, 29 April 2018 21:32
Seems like history is repeating itself with UK being the last to receive a Memoir Battle Map expansion from Asamodee.
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Mon, 30 April 2018 06:55
I hear you, I think we're going to be known as the patient nation Laughing memories of waiting for the Kalkhin Gol battle maps immediately spring to mind.
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Mon, 30 April 2018 22:41
tinsoldier wrote on Tue, 24 April 2018 15:19

Antoi écrit le Fri, 20 April 2018 14:21

Besides that you have the combat cards. these are a great addition to the game, but some of them are really power full.
I played a 2-2-2 when I really need to counter attack but my opponent played "sandstorm" (all enemy units can only move 1 and can only attack in close assault) practical it meant that my opponent got two turns...


The rule says that "a Combat Card may not be played against a player that has played a Combat card alongside his command card on that turn".




Where did you find that rule sentence.

I checked the Winter Wars combat card rules, the Combat Card sheet and the FAQ dated 2013. I saw no such restriction.

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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Tue, 01 May 2018 01:53
tank commander wrote on Mon, 30 April 2018 14:41

tinsoldier wrote on Tue, 24 April 2018 15:19

Antoi écrit le Fri, 20 April 2018 14:21

Besides that you have the combat cards. these are a great addition to the game, but some of them are really power full.
I played a 2-2-2 when I really need to counter attack but my opponent played "sandstorm" (all enemy units can only move 1 and can only attack in close assault) practical it meant that my opponent got two turns...


The rule says that "a Combat Card may not be played against a player that has played a Combat card alongside his command card on that turn".




Where did you find that rule sentence.

I checked the Winter Wars combat card rules, the Combat Card sheet and the FAQ dated 2013. I saw no such restriction.



https://ncdn1.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/img/mm_b2v2_rules _en.pdf

TC,

Maybe on the above, but not sure how to interpret...

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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Tue, 01 May 2018 05:47
Remember that these new rules are retroactive so they apply to all of the other Combat Decks and update them. You can find the rule about not being allowed to play a Combat Card on another Combat Card (or Command Card that also had a Combat Card) on the right column, first bullet point.

That's a perfect way to protect a powerful card!
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Fri, 04 May 2018 00:32
rasmussen81 wrote on Mon, 30 April 2018 23:47

Remember that these new rules are retroactive so they apply to all of the other Combat Decks and update them. You can find the rule about not being allowed to play a Combat Card on another Combat Card (or Command Card that also had a Combat Card) on the right column, first bullet point.

That's a perfect way to protect a powerful card!


I just got my new expansion and was unaware that their were changes made to the Combat Card rules.

Interesting that on Pg 2 of the new Combat card rules sheet, first para it states:

"There is no limit to the number Combat cards a player may hold, or the number of Combat cards he may play during his, or an opponents turn."

It seems this is not true as once the moving player plays a combat card(s) in his turn, his opponent may not play any in response.
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Fri, 04 May 2018 03:26
tank commander wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 15:32

rasmussen81 wrote on Mon, 30 April 2018 23:47

Remember that these new rules are retroactive so they apply to all of the other Combat Decks and update them. You can find the rule about not being allowed to play a Combat Card on another Combat Card (or Command Card that also had a Combat Card) on the right column, first bullet point.

That's a perfect way to protect a powerful card!


I just got my new expansion and was unaware that their were changes made to the Combat Card rules.

Interesting that on Pg 2 of the new Combat card rules sheet, first para it states:

"There is no limit to the number Combat cards a player may hold, or the number of Combat cards he may play during his, or an opponents turn."

It seems this is not true as once the moving player plays a combat card(s) in his turn, his opponent may not play any in response.



That's because if you have 5 Combat cards that affect one unit each, and you play Assault, you could play all five on units that you're ordering this turn. Unlikely to happen very often but could be a good turn!
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Fri, 04 May 2018 11:14
tank commander wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 03:26


It seems this is not true as once the moving player plays a combat card(s) in his turn, his opponent may not play any in response.



Almost right, the text reads: A second Combat Card may not be played against a unit that already had a Combat card played on it this turn. A Combat card may not be played against a player that has played a Combat card alongside his command card on that turn.

So you cannot play a combat card against a player who has played a Combat card alongside his command card. You can play a Combat card if he has played a Combat card in any of the other phases but against the unit his Combat card was unrelated to. Smile

It does pose the question: when you use the cards as Bitter resistance/street fight/Blazing Sun & Guns/Jungle Warfare when are these exactly played:

Bitter Resistance: after your opponent has thrown his dice in an attack

Street Fight& Jungle Warfare: unclear to me from reading the rules but I would say just before throwing dice in the close assault.

Blazing Sun & Guns: unclear to me from reading the rules but I would say just before throwing dice in the ranged attack.

Timing is of importance because of the opponents ability to play a combat card.
The timespace between declaring an attack and throwing the dice now has several cards that both players can play. Who ill have preference? I would say the attacker, but the rules do not say anything about this I feel.



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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Sat, 05 May 2018 03:20
You quoted me on that...but I didn't say that! Razz Very Happy
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Sat, 05 May 2018 23:07
Jeronimon wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 05:14

rasmussen81 wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 03:26


It seems this is not true as once the moving player plays a combat card(s) in his turn, his opponent may not play any in response.



Almost right, the text reads: A second Combat Card may not be played against a unit that already had a Combat card played on it this turn. A Combat card may not be played against a player that has played a Combat card alongside his command card on that turn.


Sorry - I was referring to the situation that you mentioned above. I should have made that cleared in my post.

As there are now new restrictions of how they combat cards are played, the rule section ("There is no limit to the number Combat cards a player may hold, or the number of Combat cards he may play during his, or an opponents turn.") should have been modified.

Perhaps along the lines of:

"Within the provisions of any restrictions listed elsewhere in these rules, there is no limit to the number Combat cards a player may hold, or the number of Combat cards he may play during his, or an opponents turn."

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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Mon, 07 May 2018 13:31
rasmussen81 wrote on Sat, 05 May 2018 03:20

You quoted me on that...but I didn't say that! Razz Very Happy


Fixed it! Cool

And: yes to what Tank commander said. Smile
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Mon, 07 May 2018 17:00
Jeronimon wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 05:14


Timing is of importance because of the opponents ability to play a combat card.
The timespace between declaring an attack and throwing the dice now has several cards that both players can play. Who ill have preference? I would say the attacker, but the rules do not say anything about this I feel.


I know that typically in Memoir ‘44 when talking about dice, the attacker usually has precedence. However, it seems that whomever plays the last combat card should triumph .

Here is an excerpt of the combat card rules for Richard Borgs THE GREAT WAR:
Quote:

In case of contradiction, between the effects of two combat cards played in succession, the second card trumps the effect of the first one.


It seems like a good standard to have the last card played trump the others.
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Wed, 09 May 2018 12:19
@Clexton,

But that is contradictory to the rule that says if a combat card has already been playd on a unit the opponent cannot play a combat card against that unit..

Hmm, maybe we need an official ruling on this one. Smile
      
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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Wed, 09 May 2018 13:22
Maybe what I hear you saying is that if I use a Combat Card to give an order to a unit, that unit is invulnerable to any Combat Card being used against it.

I would call this a Super Power rule and I don't think that is the intent of the rules.

I don't see why if your unit attacks and is successful, takes ground and uses "Heat of Battle" to create a second attack why I cannot use "Ambuscade" against him as long as I didn't play a card against that unit previously in your first attack and if you did not play a Combat Card when you played your Command Card.

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Re:Any Idea When Through jungle and dessert is going to be shipping in April ? Wed, 09 May 2018 19:23
I might just ignore this new rule. I found the Combat Cards played really well up to now.
      
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