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Debate about Battle Maps Series 1 and EP! Tue, 04 May 2021 00:37
Hi everyone,
I need some advice by expert players/hoarders of M44 Smile
DOW has just announced the official restock of EP+Battle Maps First Series: I would like to focus on EP and 1/2 Battle Maps...Do you have any suggestions/recommendations?
Which one has the best OL Maps in your opinion (in terms of replayability, involvement, fun)? And which one the best extras (figurines/standard maps/cards...)?
In conclusion, a rank (a top 3) of the OL Maps contained in the First Series would be much appreciated Very Happy
(Example: 1) Attack on Tobruk, 2) Cadets of Saumur...)

Thank you in advance!

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Re:Help! Ranking of Battle Maps (Series 1)? Tue, 04 May 2021 01:56
You need to get Sword of Stalingrad, without a doubt. Excellent scenarios and you get the Urban Combat Cards.
After that, it just comes down to personal choice... But I really like Tigers in the Snow...
Really you should just get all of them, they are all a lot of fun Smile
      
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Re:Help! Ranking of Battle Maps (Series 1)? Tue, 04 May 2021 10:17
Thank you very much MrManley Smile
Yes, Overlord Battles seem to be incredibly funny, but, unfortunately, finding 6/8 players isn't always simple. Sad
      
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Re:Help! Ranking of Battle Maps (Series 1)? Tue, 04 May 2021 22:33
Hi Sir Wesk,

Find 6/8 players is not easy at all, but this format is great to play also 1 vs 1 and even in Solo mode (my prefered format in solo).
      
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Re:Help! Ranking of Battle Maps (Series 1)? Tue, 04 May 2021 23:48
Ok my take on the original series Smile

I have played Hedgerow Hell and Cadets of Saumur only once, Tigers, Market and Dieppe 3 to 4 times. Tobruk Rats and Stalingrad: between 5 and 10 times, lost count somewhere.

In order of preference

Sword of Stalingrad/Rats in a Factory
Comes with the Urban Combat Card Deck. Both battles play well in my opinion. Setting up an Attack takes time and Logistics. But The Russians versus the Germans always makes me happy.

The Capture of Tobruk
The capture of Tobruk has been a joy to play every time it landed on the table.

Tigers in the Snow/Market Garden
Tigers is the best named of all the battlemaps and thus also the most sought after. Market Garden has two extra rows of hexes. They Both play okay although some flanks tend to be unbalanced. If you are a team player these are more enjoyable than when you are more focussed on your own flank.

Hedgerow Hell
Hedgerow Hell is playable but the Germans tend to take the day/victory.
This is the one I have played only once, so I might get a better take on it if I play it more.

Disaster at Dieppe
Disaster at Dieppe tends to be a disaster for the Allies (hence the title), but some games come out more even. My copy was signed by Richard Borg so that give sit a special extra. Seeing that signature on it always inspires the troops Wink

Cadets of Saumur
Cadets of Saumur is a losing battle for the French, definitely not my cup of tea. We found it unenjoyable and will not play it again anytime soon. Smile
      
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Re:Help! Ranking of Battle Maps (Series 1)? Wed, 05 May 2021 08:15
If you like advanced scenarios, Sword of Stalingrad/Rats in a Factory is clearly best: Both Overlords are interesting and excellent, plus you get Combat cards.

If you like more basic scenarios, Tigers in the Snow/Operation Market Garden is excellent. The special bonus with map is Tiger tanks, though I'm not wild them, because you can kill a Tiger with 1 die, or you can waste 30 dice on it -- ideally, I prefer a smaller luck element.

IMO, third best is Hedgerow Hell/Cadets of Saumur, because the Saumur is a balanced scenario -- historically, the battle reports have been 50-50. It also comes with Supply Trucks, which are used in numerous other scenarios. The Hedgerow Hell scenario is very unbalanced in favor of the Germans. This is the only expansion I don't own.

Bringing up the rear from the first series, in my mind, is Disaster at Dieppe, because that scenario is unbalanced (though I do like the challenge for the Allies) and the Capture of Tobruk flip side doesn't excite me. The special bonus with this map was Jeeps, which I don't recall seeing in any other scenarios since.

In series 2, Jungle & Desert is the must-have, because of the two Combat decks and the excellent, interesting standard-size scenarios. But Khalkhin Gol is excellent, too.
      
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Re:Help! Ranking of Battle Maps (Series 1)? Wed, 05 May 2021 08:21
But the best advice I can give you actually comes from Pokemon: "Gotta catch 'em all!"
      
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Re:Help! Ranking of Battle Maps (Series 1)? Wed, 05 May 2021 21:50
Thanks to everyone! Very Happy

Artimon, I will consider your idea: playing Overlord 1 vs 1 should be impressively exciting! And in Solo Mode? How long does a battle take? Should I follow particular rules to play Solo or 1vs1 (or could I use the standard OL rules)?
Last question: how about 2vs2? Have you tried it? Smile

Jeonimon, Sam, thank you for your tips! I'm evaluating the situation: I've seen a lot of disappointed feedbacks about the Equipment Pack...I'm a bit skeptic too, cause I've got a huge amount of tokens and I enjoy using them.
To be honest I think I'll go for 2/3 Battle Maps (Stalingrad, Tigers or/and Tobruk) + NFP (in order to add more depth) and I'll sacrifice EP, but I'm very torn Rolling Eyes

I would like to catch them all, but my money box doesn't agree Laughing

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Re:Help! Ranking of Battle Maps (Series 1)? Wed, 05 May 2021 23:35
I have played Overlord 1v1 or 2v2 quite a bit with my kids. It can work well, but I enjoy it most with the full 4v4. However, as stated before it can be very hard to find that many players!

I agree, the Equipment Pack is a bit overrated. It's great for those that like to paint the minis, but you can get by without it. If you can afford it all, buy it all. But if not, I would recommend spending the money on the battle maps.

I really enjoy the New Flight Plan, so that's a good choice too! And it works well with everything you've already got, as well as all you are planning on purchasing!

Have fun with them Smile
      
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Re:Help! Ranking of Battle Maps (Series 1)? Thu, 06 May 2021 00:34
Sir Wesk, I wouldn't say that Equipment Pack is overrated.

Many of the units in it already exist in other expansions through badges. For example, ski troops, cavalry, snipers, SWA.

Three of the units are completely new: Nebelwerfers (with revised smoke rules), Kubelwagens, Hobart's Funnies.

Some people may complain about the neutral color, but I think that just gives flexibility -- I've seen scenarios where the Allies have Tiger-like tanks, for example. The color doesn't matter to me, though polka dots would make me laugh.
      
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Re:Help! Ranking of Battle Maps (Series 1)? Thu, 06 May 2021 00:36
By the way, I love 1-on-1 Overlord.
      
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Re:Help! Ranking of Battle Maps (Series 1)? Thu, 06 May 2021 19:00
Thanks again Cool
I've recently listened to a review by Sam Healey of The Dice Tower and one statement has struck me: "EP is a luxury rather than a necessity".

And regarding Battle Maps, I own Khalkhin Gol and Through J&D, so I'll test Overlord 1vs1! Smile
Curiosity Very Happy : at first you play as CinC (dealing out/playing cards) and then you take the role of FG (one by one) to execute the orders, right?
And in 2vs2, one player is CinC+Central FG with the other one controlling the flanks...But how do you manage the command chain? Can they talk to each other, sharing tips and points of view?

Have a great weekend!
      
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Re:Debate about Battle Maps Series 1 and EP! Thu, 06 May 2021 19:11
Equipment Pack is not the most necessary extension but this is a good one. Even if one of some miniatures are not that great, i really prefer playing with miniatures rather than badges.

1 vs 1 , 2 vs 2 and 3 vs 3 are the best to play overlord. I don't like playing 4vs4, some players can really be left out due to cards and that's really annoying.

If i have to chose two battle maps : i would say Sword of Stalingrad and Tigers in the Snow. The two best battle maps.

Through jungle and desert and the battles of Khalkhin-Gol are also two great overlord battlemap (the normal scenarios are pretty meh, usually my feeling for Borg scenario).
The Cap Torokina is (one of TBKG overlord) my favorite overlord from the battle map, that's a really fun scenario with pretty balanced chances to win.
      
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Re:Debate about Battle Maps Series 1 and EP! Thu, 06 May 2021 20:03
Playing Overlord with odd numbers can easily be done.

One way is playing "by committee" just 2 or three players behind the cards on one side: you get that one that might be needed there no card for that flank this turn.

If you prefer CiC and want to keep to the briefing I read a nice house rule somewhere: whenever the CiC give his own flank a card he Is "talking to" that flank and cannot talk to another flank.

You will figure it out.

In our play evenings talking to a general is usually heard by all so the CiC gives cryptic messages. Hilarity ensues when everybody but the targeted Field general understands Wink
      
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Re:Help! Ranking of Battle Maps (Series 1)? Thu, 06 May 2021 23:45
Sir Wesk wrote on Thu, 06 May 2021 13:00

Curiosity Very Happy : at first you play as CinC (dealing out/playing cards) and then you take the role of FG (one by one) to execute the orders, right?

When playing one-on-one, it's not necessary to put your cards down when you start ordering your units.

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And in 2vs2, one player is CinC+Central FG with the other one controlling the flanks...But how do you manage the command chain? Can they talk to each other, sharing tips and points of view?

The general convention is for the CinC to also play as Center FG, though in a face-to-face game I find it easier for the partner to take two adjacent sections, giving the CinC one of the flanks.

We still limit the CinC to talking with his FG only when giving out the cards.
      
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Re:Help! Ranking of Battle Maps (Series 1)? Fri, 07 May 2021 00:09
sam1812 wrote on Wed, 05 May 2021 02:21

But the best advice I can give you actually comes from Pokemon: "Gotta catch 'em all!"


Sam, I think you need t get out a bit more often if you are taking advice from Pokemon Laughing
      
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Re:Help! Ranking of Battle Maps (Series 1)? Fri, 07 May 2021 08:34
sam1812 wrote on Thu, 06 May 2021 23:45

The general convention is for the CinC to also play as Center FG, though in a face-to-face game I find it easier for the partner to take two adjacent sections, giving the CinC one of the flanks.


We usually give the CiC the "least interesting" flank, so the Field generals can have the more interesting flanks.


      
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Re:Debate about Battle Maps Series 1 and EP! Sat, 08 May 2021 01:41
Jeronimon wrote on Thu, 06 May 2021 20:03


If you prefer CiC and want to keep to the briefing I read a nice house rule somewhere: whenever the CiC give his own flank a card he Is "talking to" that flank and cannot talk to another flank.

I love this idea Jeronimon! I would like to keep the command chain rule, cause it seems to me potentially exhilarating (and yes, I agree that in 2vs2 giving the CinC the "least interesting" flank should be the best option) Cool

Kelian, thanks for sharing your tips/opinions: Cap Torokina is visually stunning! Looking forward to playing it Very Happy

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