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  Latest Blog Wed, 27 September 2006 16:30
New info is up this morning on the blog. Still basic information for most C&C players.
      
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Re:Latest Blog Wed, 27 September 2006 19:17
Thanks for the info. I wonder what differences there will be between momementum advance and bonus combat in CC:A and gaining ground, pursuit and bonus melee in BattleLore.
      
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Re:Latest Blog Wed, 27 September 2006 20:23
I think it will be similar:

Gaining Ground = Advance (for C&C:A)= Taking Ground (M44)

Pursuit = Advance + Battle (for C&C:A)= Armor Overun (M44)

Battle Back = Battle Back

Some units will probably get them and others will not. Some may only get it when certain conditions are met. I assume we will also see some form of Evade and Morale.

Bonus Dice look unique but are probably similar to the Elephants in C&C: A. (Except that it appears you do not have to reroll - they just count as a hit). Look at these cards. One gives you bonus strike for every shield. So anytime you roll a shield, it counts as a hit in addition to rolling the color of the unit attacked (except for mounted units, who ignore the first shield in this particular case). In the second example, they get no bonus strike.

http://blog.battlelore.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/bl_shortsword_en.jpg

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Re:Latest Blog Thu, 28 September 2006 02:04
The shield seems like the crossed swords in CC:A.

      
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Re:Latest Blog Thu, 28 September 2006 03:43
Kenntak wrote on Wed, 27 September 2006 19:04

The shield seems like the crossed swords in CC:A.



Yes, quite possible. But it will probably do more than just hit in close combat. (though that is all we can see right now).
      
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Re:Latest Blog Thu, 28 September 2006 05:55
Actually, while several of your suppositions are indeed mostly correct,
Pursuit <> Armor Overrun (by an hex)
and
Battle back <> Battle back, in some subtle but significant way.

Some of it will become clearer with the next entry, and more so with the following one. Very Happy

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Re:Latest Blog Thu, 28 September 2006 16:28
Well, today is Thursday. Time for another blog entry, right? Smile
      
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Re:Latest Blog Thu, 28 September 2006 17:28
Kenntak wrote on Thu, 28 September 2006 16:28

Well, today is Thursday. Time for another blog entry, right? Smile

No it was time for: the large maitenance
      
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Re:Latest Blog Thu, 28 September 2006 22:48
Sounds scary... Shocked
      
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Re:Latest Blog Thu, 28 September 2006 23:15
Well, the first part of our transition went well. The rest will occur on Monday. In the meantime, we might post just one (small) entry into the blog. Then by mid-next week, we should hit our stride again.
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Re:Latest Blog Fri, 29 September 2006 00:26
It's good to hear that everything went well so far. Weird things can happen with computers.
      
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Re:Latest Blog Fri, 29 September 2006 18:28
The latest blog entry discusses combat odds and why units do not have a defense rating per se. It also describes gaining ground, pursuit and bonus melee combat and discusses how lore affects combat odds. Finally, the entry mentions bold units, ones that can ignore retreat flags.
      
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Re:Latest Blog Fri, 29 September 2006 19:56
Can or do? When i read it the first time, it sounded like "bold" was a characteristic. But reading further, it looks like a unit that doesn't get flags rolled against it become "bold" - nothing special - just they sruvived. And since they survived, they can now battle back.
      
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Re:Latest Blog Fri, 29 September 2006 20:49
Kenntak was correct. A Bold unit is a unit that _can_ ignore a flag. Bold is a characteristic. It will become clearer exactly what this means (ie the implications) once we post the next entry, on Morale.
This should come next week, once our computer platform transition is over, and before we start discussing Lore, the War Council and such.
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Re:Latest Blog Sat, 30 September 2006 15:43
I know for sure, this is going to be a great game, Eric. I'm really curious about it!
      
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Re:Latest Blog Mon, 09 October 2006 16:39
New update - and finally info on how this game is radically different from all other C&C games!!!! The war councile with Lore cards!

After a weekend spent depressed about "special figures" in this game (since I can no longer get a smeagol figure from "war of the rings") I was getting discouraged about this game. This has helped lighten the mood and get me excited again.

So as a further plea to DOW, I am still not happy about the exclusive figures - no matter how "readily available" they should be. Basically, as many pointed out, the HIll Giant basically will cost me a lot more money since I have to pay full MSRP on the base game instead of a discount online. Now I have to pay to go to a convention, which usually can't fit in my busy weekend. I will probably have to track down hard to find German Game magazines for their promo figure. Seriously, can we reconsider the exclusive figures? What's the point of supporting the FLGS if we can't afford to keep buying the expansions from them? I am seriously reconsidering getting into this game full swing because of this new exclusive stuff. and not to be rude, but the comments so far of "there will be plenty" just don't do it for me. Assure me these exclusive will be available from the DOW store for a reasonable price 6 months after their release (Similar to GMT Games posting the "exclusive" scenarios to pre-orders on their website just recently), and I will be happy. sorry for the rant.
      
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Re:Latest Blog Mon, 09 October 2006 19:09
The game is starting to sound more collectible all the time. Not in the sense that you don't know what you are getting, just because of the numerous planned expansions and the difficutly of getting some of these figures.
      
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Re:Latest Blog Mon, 09 October 2006 20:09
Sniper wrote on Mon, 09 October 2006 12:09

The game is starting to sound more collectible all the time. Not in the sense that you don't know what you are getting, just because of the numerous planned expansions and the difficutly of getting some of these figures.

That's what has me worried. Part of the ability of being able to play so many games is the fact I can get so many at a discount on the web. I bought Cleopatra a few weeks ago at a "local" FLGS (half hour drive by interstate) and paid $50.00+ for it. With shipping, I could have bought it for under $40.00.

Spending 25% above what I normally would is ridiculous. It is going to be hard to maintain interest and justify opening my pocket book for that over a long period of time.

And though I am only 2.5 hours from Indy's GenCon, I have never been able to go. I was hoping this year but I am in construction and school's have to be opened before Labor Day. Too hard to pull away to go to a convention. So I fall in the category of "coventions close by" but nearly impossible fore me to get an Earth Elemental. Not a happy camper.
      
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Re:Latest Blog Mon, 09 October 2006 22:37
I totally think it is great that DoW has the special figures for FLGSs.

This is to support FLGSs. These stores are going to help promote the game...they are going to be able to demo the game, they are down right going to be doing BETTER business for DoW due to better exposure. The discount web sites don't do crap. So, DoW wants to support the FLGS because it is better for them. They scratch their back and DoW will scratch theirs.

this shouldn't make you mad...it's just business.

      
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Re:Latest Blog Mon, 09 October 2006 23:10
Nostromo wrote on Mon, 09 October 2006 15:37

I totally think it is great that DoW has the special figures for FLGSs.

This is to support FLGSs. These stores are going to help promote the game...they are going to be able to demo the game, they are down right going to be doing BETTER business for DoW due to better exposure. The discount web sites don't do crap. So, DoW wants to support the FLGS because it is better for them. They scratch their back and DoW will scratch theirs.

this shouldn't make you mad...it's just business.



I understand what you are saying but don't yell at me! Very Happy

I thought that too. I am a big fan of supporting local stores. But someone brought this up on BGG and it made me stop and realize yeah, why do we support them?

Most of the FLGS's in my area are gone. They sprouted in the heyday when Magic The Gathering first came out. There was one in every town. Most of them have dried up. That roll has been taken over by the comic stores in the area who manage to keep going.

But comic stores are much like hobby stores. They specialize in one or two things and just support that. The comic store in my town doesn't support games at all. The other comic store still supports magic and nothing else. Even the game store that I checked out quite afew miles away will order the game for me but has no plans of supporting it. They care only about Zombies and Magic - which is the lifeblodd of their business.

So again, why do we support them? Maybe you are blessed and have a local store (or maybe you are the owner of a store) and this isn't an issue for you. But it is for me. I don't have an outlet for this stuff. And I am not in some podunk town either. I live in the outskirts of Chicago and work in the city. I have spent many an afternoon calling gaming stores, hobby shops, and comic stores and most times get a response of "Days of Who? Oh, do they make that train game?"

The online retailers are the ones getting the name out there. The online retailers are the ones advertising on BGG.com and generating my business. If it wasn't for the online community, I would own ZERO DOW games right now. Not because they are cheaper online (though that has a factor in me buying more) but because they are advertised and supported online.

So tell me why I should support an FLGS when 1) I don't have any locally and 2) the ones I have to search and make a weekend of really don't care about DOW? Then after all that 3) throw more money there way.

The big box stores like Wal-Mart have probably destroyed the local specialty shops. But the online store is giving Wal-Mart a run for their money. Online stores haven't done crap? They save me money and let me play more games. No demos? Can't find 'em anyway.
      
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Re:Latest Blog Tue, 10 October 2006 00:05
Coltsfan is making some very good points.
I live in a remote part of the world and there is no real game store here.
If it weren't for the online retailers I wouldn't be able to tend to this hobby at all.
Even though I order my games these days through a "discount" online retailer, the game cost has added up to a Sh*tload when it arrives here (shipping+tax+customs).
So, knowing that I won't be getting the promo figures because I don't buy Battlelore from the "local store" is sort of like adding insult to injury!
      
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Re:Latest Blog Tue, 10 October 2006 00:12
I just don't understand why coltsfan and some other people are whining about not being able to get these special promotional figures. Because, just so you know, promotional figures for everything always end up on eBay and other places (I bet you will be able to buy them from people off of bgg and such), especially right after they become available. Confused

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Re:Latest Blog Tue, 10 October 2006 01:58
Well, Heroscape had a promotional figure at GenCon that was later given away for free at Toys R Us (I got 4 of them for free). However, people are still paying around $30 to $60 for the figure. You have to understand that the there is a strong collector's bug among some gamers so telling them they can just get it off eBay for a high price does not help them. Those players want to enjoy every facet of their favorite game but they are upset that they have to pay so much to do so.
      
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Re:Latest Blog Tue, 10 October 2006 03:06
To support DoW I will order from them, and get the High$-Hill Giant.
(Not complaining- the key word here is 'support')

And I have lousy- local stores as well as others do, I'm use to ordering on line.

However it would be nice if the 'Elemental' would be_ 'available for purchase'
with BL's release !

I would feel better.

I wouldn't be paying even more freight on the Elemental/more Hill Giants later-
from whoever [DoW, Discounter]
-or-
It will be till (gulp) _March for other things are available for BL?
I'd hate to wait till then to get an order together and the Giant or 'Elemental'
are not available for whatever reason.


Sorry Epitaph, I don't want to go to some Homer' on eBay, and be taking chances with his level of character.
And things like that happening to BL smacks of 'collectable game'.
Maybe OK to you, thats fine ,, but me no likey....
The only gaming I want to do is with BL.
Not auction bidding or worry'ing about stock market like-
" Figure Futures"
      
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Re:Latest Blog Tue, 10 October 2006 03:09
As I might have mentionned (but not necessarily here), there will be plenty of Earth Elementals (the promo mini we will be giving away at trade shows and in-store demos) to go around, so no one should be compelled to pay crazy prices on eBay or those.

As for the Hill Giant, if you do not have a FLGS, you can pre-order the game from our web site. True you won't get a discount off the MSRP, but you will get the mini, regardless of where you live, and you will support the publisher Wink.

Pre-orders on the site will become available in the next week or so, btw.

eric
      
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Re:Latest Blog Tue, 10 October 2006 05:24
eric wrote on Mon, 09 October 2006 20:09

As I might have mentionned (but not necessarily here), there will be plenty of Earth Elementals (the promo mini we will be giving away at trade shows and in-store demos) to go around, so no one should be compelled to pay crazy prices on eBay or those.

As for the Hill Giant, if you do not have a FLGS, you can pre-order the game from our web site. True you won't get a discount off the MSRP, but you will get the mini, regardless of where you live, and you will support the publisher Wink.

Pre-orders on the site will become available in the next week or so, btw.

eric

That's my point. I want to support DOW. And if I support my online dealer or an FLGS, DOW probably still gets the same amount of money. So really, the only one benefitting from this is the FLGS.

Anyway, I have heard you say these things before Eric. I am not so concerned about the Hill Giant - I just realized from others that the net payment of the HIll Giant will cost me about $10 to $20 bucks as that is how much I would be saving by pre-ordering from an online retailer.

The Earth Elemental still doesn't give me a warm fuzzy because you have made it clear that anyone attending a *convention* will get it and anyone no where near a convention (aka our Friends Down Under). Will this be available outside of conventions besides from money grubbing idiots on ebay? As I have made clear, I have no one around here planning on demoing the game. I probably can't attend any convention this year. So where does that leave me?

Or Epitaph, would you prefer to send one my way to shut up my "whining"?
      
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Re:Latest Blog Tue, 10 October 2006 06:05
I guess you could demo the game (and receive minis for you and the folks you would demo it to) once we launch that program Very Happy . If you really live so far away that there is no one to demo this too, that's another issue, of course. Rolling Eyes Laughing
      
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Re:Latest Blog Tue, 10 October 2006 06:44
eric wrote on Mon, 09 October 2006 23:05

I guess you could demo the game (and receive minis for you and the folks you would demo it to) once we launch that program Very Happy . If you really live so far away that there is no one to demo this too, that's another issue, of course. Rolling Eyes Laughing

That could work. The other option I had was to start my own store. Care to give me a start up loan as a DOW outlet store?
      
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Re:Latest Blog Tue, 10 October 2006 16:03
ColtsFan76 wrote on Mon, 09 October 2006 22:24

Or Epitaph, would you prefer to send one my way to shut up my "whining"?


Believe me, if I manage to get a hold of one I will.
      
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Re:Latest Blog Wed, 11 October 2006 06:13
Eric,

What about demos in Europe? I'm active duty military stationed in Germany, and I completely understand what ColtsFan is talking about!

I think ColtsFan hit it right on the money with all of his statements, and I'm concerned about DoW's decision to make certain pieces available only from a convention. I know this fact alone will GREATLY discourage me from getting into this game.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a die hard fan of DoW games, and I have plenty of them (at last count about 8 DoW games...). I LOVE the quality of the games you produce, and I don't mind supporting your company.

The only thing I ask is that you make these "special" promotional figures availabe from your website. Even better, make them availabe to the online sellers, which like ColtsFan, is where I get all my games.

Being stationed our here in Germany, I simply do not have the option to run out to a local game store or attend a convention, so what would you recommend for someone in my situation?

Thanks.
      
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Re:Latest Blog Sun, 15 October 2006 22:31
I still don't think DoW is listening on this issue. I and many other gamers live in small cities without decent FLGS and/or don't have the time to attend an event to get the Earth Elemental or hunt one down on eBay. I can accept ordering from DoW directly to get the Hill Giant, but at least let us buy the Earth Elemental at the same time so that we don't have to hunt it down to complete our collections.

It'll kill me not to get the Earth Elemental and I'm the kind of guy with a good salary that will literally buy everything there is for this game and probably spend $500+ on Battlelore every year and likely end up buying it for friends etc... If I can't get everything though, it ruins it for me and I'll likely get a different game instead.

Please reconsider the policy on the Earth Elemental.

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Re:Latest Blog Mon, 16 October 2006 00:09
Hey guys, this is from the DoW store Battlelore pre-order page:

"A limited edition of the Hill Giant and Earth Elemental Promotional Creatures are available to all who pre-order from their local game retailer or the Days of Wonder Webstore."

No need to buy the Earth Elemental!

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Re:Latest Blog Mon, 16 October 2006 02:32
As far as I know, the Elemental is not available for U.S. customers, only European.
      
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Re:Latest Blog Mon, 16 October 2006 03:03
We never said, as far as I remember, that the Elemental would ONLY be available at conventions. We have made it clear that it would be widely available, in a variety of venues, and that for those without easy access to demo events and the likes, we will offer a straightforward solution.

I guess it is a sign of the excitement for the game that some keep worrying about this despite our words for it. Very Happy

What we do want to accomplish is to give an incentive to stores, game groups, and anyone with the will to organize a demo (at a library, coffee shop, etc...) some extra incentive to do so in the weeks following the US launch of the game.

This does NOT mean that we won't be making the Earth Elemental widely available shortly thereafter, if not right then. One of these venues will most certainly be off our web site, much like we've done with other promos in the past.

In the meantime, BigRed, we would love to have you do a demo on your base (hopefully you're not the only gamer stationned there!). Alternatively, ordering from our Euro web store (which you should do anyway, given your location) will get you both minis (in Europe, it is harder for us to manage demos this way across a variety of countries, so we are giving both minis with the first online pre-orders in each country. This partially offsets the less favorable euro/$ exchange rate Rolling Eyes ).

      
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Re:Latest Blog Mon, 16 October 2006 04:55
eric wrote on Mon, 16 October 2006 10:03

We never said, as far as I remember, that the Elemental would ONLY be available at conventions. We have made it clear that it would be widely available, in a variety of venues, and that for those without easy access to demo events and the likes, we will offer a straightforward solution.

I guess it is a sign of the excitement for the game that some keep worrying about this despite our words for it. Very Happy

What we do want to accomplish is to give an incentive to stores, game groups, and anyone with the will to organize a demo (at a library, coffee shop, etc...) some extra incentive to do so in the weeks following the US launch of the game.

This does NOT mean that we won't be making the Earth Elemental widely available shortly thereafter, if not right then. One of these venues will most certainly be off our web site, much like we've done with other promos in the past.

In the meantime, BigRed, we would love to have you do a demo on your base (hopefully you're not the only gamer stationned there!). Alternatively, ordering from our Euro web store (which you should do anyway, given your location) will get you both minis (in Europe, it is harder for us to manage demos this way across a variety of countries, so we are giving both minis with the first online pre-orders in each country. This partially offsets the less favorable euro/$ exchange rate Rolling Eyes ).




I'm in Nagoaya, Japan and there is a fairly strong gamer community here. Mostly MTG, but board gamers too. I'd be really interested in doing demos. Of course to promote the game, but also to seek out fellow players, too
Very Happy !

So, when will more info be coming out on organizing demos? Thanks!
      
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Re:Latest Blog Mon, 16 October 2006 05:42
Sometime in the coming 6 weeks, but not yet. We will discuss demos in depth in a future blog entry.
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Thanks for the reply eric, all is well. Smile
      
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Re:Latest Blog Mon, 16 October 2006 09:14
eric wrote on Mon, 16 October 2006 12:42

Sometime in the coming 6 weeks, but not yet. We will discuss demos in depth in a future blog entry.
eric


Cool! Thanks!
      
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Re:Latest Blog Mon, 16 October 2006 13:23
eric wrote on Sun, 15 October 2006 20:03

We never said, as far as I remember, that the Elemental would ONLY be available at conventions. We have made it clear that it would be widely available, in a variety of venues, and that for those without easy access to demo events and the likes, we will offer a straightforward solution.

I guess it is a sign of the excitement for the game that some keep worrying about this despite our words for it. Very Happy

What we do want to accomplish is to give an incentive to stores, game groups, and anyone with the will to organize a demo (at a library, coffee shop, etc...) some extra incentive to do so in the weeks following the US launch of the game.

This does NOT mean that we won't be making the Earth Elemental widely available shortly thereafter, if not right then. One of these venues will most certainly be off our web site, much like we've done with other promos in the past.

In the meantime, BigRed, we would love to have you do a demo on your base (hopefully you're not the only gamer stationned there!). Alternatively, ordering from our Euro web store (which you should do anyway, given your location) will get you both minis (in Europe, it is harder for us to manage demos this way across a variety of countries, so we are giving both minis with the first online pre-orders in each country. This partially offsets the less favorable euro/$ exchange rate Rolling Eyes ).



Actually, what you said was....

1) It will be available at conventions
2) Then you said, it will be available to people who live too far away from conventions - like Australlia
3) Then when pressed you said I could get one if I demoed the game for you.

This is the FIRST time you have said they will probably be available on the website or any other "direct" method IIRC. This is also the FIRST time you said there will be "waves" of the figure. The 1st wave being those who have the means to get to these other events and the 2nd for the rest of us.

This were specific questions we asked about multiple times. I think if you had given these answers earlier, a lot of us, myself included, would have been satisfied and quit wasting your time on this concern.

I still don't have the time to chase products down, though I would like to demo the product just to get more potential opponents. I'd rather use my limited time to PLAY the game not COLLECT it. Hopefully after the earth Elemental, there won't be too many more "incentives" because with each new one, I will be less apt to continue with this game.

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Re:Latest Blog Mon, 16 October 2006 23:38
ColtsFan --

The very first place I heard about the Earth Elemental was in the initial press release for BattleLore, where it says "A second promotional miniature, the Earth Elemental, will be available through a variety of sources including conventions and demo events leading to the game's release."

I have been following news about BattleLore closely, and I've never seen anything from Eric or Days of Wonder that said the Earth Elemental would only be available at conventions. Where did you read this?
      
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