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Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Sat, 08 November 2014 11:27
Rork wrote on Sat, 08 November 2014 08:45


- "Minefields only trigger when they are entered by an enemy unit."
- "Enemy unit in minefield that is ordered and doesn't move doesn't trigger the minefield anymore."



I would thoroughly dislike any of these in a rulebook. They break some ground rules in what I consider to be good rulebook writing.

- The first: the word "only" is unnecessary. In a rulebook, you write what happens when the game progresses. It is a general understanding that only what you write happens, and nothing else. The ground rule to good rulebook reading is that you make no interpretations, but only do a literal reading.
If a rulebook author would add "only" in such a sentence, he would actually tell the reader that there is room for interpretation in anything that's written, except for those sentences with only.
Infantry can move 0-1 and fire or move 2 and not fire. Since there is no only, it can also move 4? If you start adding "only" you have to add it in any rule, and that would just look silly to me.
- For the second one: here you break my rule of writing a "positive" rulebook. You should write why happens, and not what doesn't happen. Because it's easier to come up with all the cases of what happens, than to find any particular oddity that might occur and shouldn't happen. You should only use negative rule writing to indicate an exception to the general rule. "An enemy unit moving into a minefield triggers it. An engineer moving into a minefield and still able to battle does not trigger it."
To come to your example: so a unit that is in a minefield and not ordered does trigger the minefield every turn that it stays in the minefield? And a unit that is ordered and is adjacent to a minefield, does that one trigger it? Write when it does happen, not when it doesn't happen.

For me, this would be a good rule:
- "Minefields trigger when they are entered by an enemy unit."
And how is that different from what is written and copied by Jeronimon? (that actual rule is just longer because it also explains that a unit has to stop and it explains what triggering a minefield means.)

You accuse us of making interpretation about the rules, while we only apply what's written. The rules describe when a minefield trigger. We don't assume that a minefield triggers in any other case than the one described, and that's indeed the best way to treat a rulebook, because that's generally the way a rulebook should be treated.
However it is your opponent in that game who was making interpretations about the rules, and who thought it triggered when a unit did not enter the minefield but just stayed there. Why can you point out where we supposedly are making interpretation, yet you don't see where your opponent was doing so?
      

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  Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Fri, 23 December 2011 18:25
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata nemessziliFri, 23 December 2011 18:53
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Fri, 23 December 2011 19:36
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata BrummbarThu, 05 January 2012 01:18
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata TalespinnerSat, 24 December 2011 09:08
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata deemaoSun, 25 December 2011 20:37
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Sun, 25 December 2011 20:59
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Erik UitdebroeckMon, 26 December 2011 08:02
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata OrosMon, 26 December 2011 10:05
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Erik UitdebroeckMon, 26 December 2011 10:17
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata deemaoMon, 26 December 2011 11:51
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata **player32653Mon, 26 December 2011 18:02
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata --JPMon, 26 December 2011 18:17
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata **player32653Mon, 26 December 2011 18:27
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata --JPMon, 26 December 2011 18:57
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderTue, 27 December 2011 11:45
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Mon, 02 January 2012 18:23
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata **player32653Mon, 26 December 2011 19:45
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata --JPTue, 27 December 2011 23:19
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata ericMon, 02 January 2012 18:37
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderMon, 02 January 2012 22:40
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata --JPMon, 02 January 2012 22:59
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata rasmussen81Mon, 02 January 2012 23:30
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata JJAZTue, 03 January 2012 17:43
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata ad79Tue, 03 January 2012 19:40
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata rasmussen81Tue, 03 January 2012 20:07
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderTue, 03 January 2012 22:27
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata TuladinThu, 05 January 2012 02:18
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Jaykay2010Fri, 06 January 2012 12:52
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Fri, 06 January 2012 13:38
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Wed, 11 January 2012 13:18
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata AntoineWed, 11 January 2012 13:36
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Wed, 25 January 2012 14:26
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Wed, 25 January 2012 17:20
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata ChengThu, 26 January 2012 02:49
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata rasmussen81Thu, 26 January 2012 03:01
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata ChengThu, 26 January 2012 03:12
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata rasmussen81Thu, 26 January 2012 03:38
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Thu, 26 January 2012 04:02
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata rasmussen81Thu, 26 January 2012 05:05
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderThu, 26 January 2012 11:50
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Thu, 26 January 2012 13:05
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata BrummbarThu, 26 January 2012 16:15
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Thu, 26 January 2012 16:34
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata BrummbarThu, 26 January 2012 17:39
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata BrummbarThu, 26 January 2012 17:43
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata nemessziliThu, 26 January 2012 18:07
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Thu, 26 January 2012 19:44
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata rasmussen81Thu, 26 January 2012 20:43
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata GoboGoboWed, 01 February 2012 22:29
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Thu, 02 February 2012 00:59
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderThu, 02 February 2012 11:27
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Thu, 02 February 2012 13:35
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata AlmilcarFri, 20 July 2012 08:39
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Achtung PanzerMon, 06 February 2012 09:31
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata rasmussen81Mon, 06 February 2012 19:09
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Achtung PanzerMon, 06 February 2012 19:29
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata rasmussen81Mon, 06 February 2012 19:34
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  Re:Red Barricades Scenario - JU-88 Errata/Clarification ppodahuMon, 27 February 2012 16:00
  Re:Red Barricades Scenario - JU-88 Errata/Clarification Clexton27Sat, 10 March 2012 12:42
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  Re:Gemencheh Bridge - Allied Turn 1 Procedure Clarification Clexton27Fri, 20 April 2012 21:56
  Re:Singapore Scenario Errata/Clarification nemessziliMon, 13 February 2012 12:55
  Re:Singapore Scenario Errata/Clarification Clexton27Mon, 13 February 2012 13:19
  Re:Singapore Scenario Errata/Clarification yangtzeMon, 13 February 2012 13:30
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata AntoineMon, 06 February 2012 15:40
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Achtung PanzerMon, 06 February 2012 19:26
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata rasmussen81Mon, 06 February 2012 19:33
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata AlmilcarSat, 28 April 2012 11:16
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata bdgzaSat, 21 July 2012 23:07
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata AlmilcarThu, 19 July 2012 11:33
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata AlmilcarSat, 18 August 2012 02:46
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata deemaoTue, 21 August 2012 06:59
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata AlmilcarSat, 06 October 2012 14:10
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata deemaoWed, 17 October 2012 07:08
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata AlmilcarWed, 17 October 2012 18:06
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderFri, 02 November 2012 10:53
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata ad79Sun, 04 November 2012 10:19
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderSun, 04 November 2012 15:45
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderThu, 15 November 2012 23:08
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Fri, 16 November 2012 02:40
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderThu, 29 November 2012 11:46
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata deemaoSun, 04 November 2012 11:50
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata AlmilcarSat, 20 April 2013 13:44
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata AlmilcarMon, 24 June 2013 18:38
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata deemaoMon, 24 June 2013 22:18
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata AlmilcarWed, 17 July 2013 12:41
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata deemaoWed, 17 July 2013 20:01
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata AlmilcarFri, 26 July 2013 20:42
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata deemaoSat, 28 September 2013 15:01
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata AlmilcarWed, 23 October 2013 18:23
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderWed, 23 October 2013 22:40
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata g1ul10Sun, 22 December 2013 18:42
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata AlmilcarMon, 23 December 2013 09:53
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata AlmilcarMon, 23 December 2013 09:55
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata JFKoskiSun, 12 January 2014 09:19
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata 50thSat, 08 February 2014 20:22
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata g1ul10Mon, 21 April 2014 15:58
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata g1ul10Sat, 03 May 2014 09:49
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkSun, 24 August 2014 22:59
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkMon, 25 August 2014 17:36
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata JeronimonMon, 25 August 2014 20:13
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkMon, 25 August 2014 22:11
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkMon, 01 September 2014 09:08
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderMon, 01 September 2014 13:28
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Sgt StormMon, 01 September 2014 18:28
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Mon, 01 September 2014 19:25
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderMon, 01 September 2014 20:13
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Quit2Mon, 01 September 2014 19:29
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Mon, 01 September 2014 19:35
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderWed, 03 September 2014 01:00
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Wed, 03 September 2014 04:35
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderWed, 03 September 2014 17:55
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderWed, 03 September 2014 18:01
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Wed, 03 September 2014 18:53
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Wed, 03 September 2014 19:22
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderWed, 03 September 2014 20:12
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderThu, 04 September 2014 00:02
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Wed, 03 September 2014 19:24
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Sgt StormWed, 03 September 2014 18:29
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkMon, 01 September 2014 21:37
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata rasmussen81Mon, 01 September 2014 23:12
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkTue, 02 September 2014 09:20
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderTue, 02 September 2014 11:22
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkTue, 02 September 2014 12:27
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderWed, 03 September 2014 00:51
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Wed, 03 September 2014 04:56
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkWed, 03 September 2014 09:15
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Wed, 03 September 2014 13:01
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkWed, 03 September 2014 20:10
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Wed, 03 September 2014 23:43
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkWed, 24 September 2014 18:46
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkSun, 28 September 2014 09:59
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata JeronimonSun, 28 September 2014 11:07
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkSun, 28 September 2014 16:19
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata JeronimonSun, 28 September 2014 18:17
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata DreeMon, 29 September 2014 00:10
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata jdrommelSun, 28 September 2014 11:31
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkMon, 29 September 2014 08:19
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkFri, 03 October 2014 16:25
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata AntoiFri, 03 October 2014 20:22
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Quit2Fri, 03 October 2014 21:42
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkFri, 03 October 2014 22:04
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Sgt StormFri, 03 October 2014 22:39
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkSat, 04 October 2014 08:07
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkThu, 06 November 2014 10:54
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderThu, 06 November 2014 11:35
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Thu, 06 November 2014 14:17
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata 50thThu, 06 November 2014 14:56
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkThu, 06 November 2014 16:21
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata ZalamenceThu, 06 November 2014 16:51
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata tank commanderThu, 06 November 2014 18:24
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata JeronimonThu, 06 November 2014 19:43
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkThu, 06 November 2014 19:58
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Clexton27Thu, 06 November 2014 21:28
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkFri, 07 November 2014 07:53
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata JeronimonFri, 07 November 2014 08:30
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkFri, 07 November 2014 16:14
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata rasmussen81Fri, 07 November 2014 16:29
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkFri, 07 November 2014 22:16
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Quit2Fri, 07 November 2014 22:43
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkSat, 08 November 2014 08:45
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata  Quit2Sat, 08 November 2014 11:27
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Aussie_DiggerSat, 08 November 2014 11:34
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata rasmussen81Sat, 08 November 2014 17:27
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkSat, 08 November 2014 23:11
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Aussie_DiggerSat, 08 November 2014 23:53
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Quit2Sun, 09 November 2014 02:29
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata rasmussen81Sun, 09 November 2014 06:23
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkSun, 09 November 2014 22:21
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata Quit2Mon, 10 November 2014 02:00
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata rasmussen81Mon, 10 November 2014 04:17
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkMon, 10 November 2014 22:49
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata 50thTue, 11 November 2014 01:38
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata RorkTue, 11 November 2014 22:27
  Re:Campaign Book #2 Errata JeronimonFri, 07 November 2014 16:32
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