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NC Disappointments Sat, 10 November 2007 15:49
I am waiting now for half an hour for the game tofra - David to begin. David was there - tofra not...
Thanks for informing everybody that you somehow postponed the date (deadline was yesterday - you already had an exception) - or does anybody really consider not playing those games????

As mentioned, deadline was yesterday - there are 2 outstanding games:
tofra-David

Last year I was already annoyed by games not being played.
I played my games versus toutoune yesterday - even the standing was already 3:0 and the games were just for fun. Like erps' and Angel's games had no meaning for the result, they simply played for the audience. This is a tournament and my opinion is that we either play or we leave it.
You will not get my understanding for this. And next years rules should include that all matches have to be played or otherwise the Team will be disqualified.

Very sad Sad

Posting is edited due to the fact that the 2nd remaining match has in the interim been played. Thanks to both players for an amusing game

[Updated on: Sat, 10 November 2007 18:43]

      
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Re:NC Disappointments Sat, 10 November 2007 15:55
I agree 100%. Read my thread folks!

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Re:NC Disappointments Sat, 10 November 2007 15:57
Hi

I fully agree with you Eva. Nothing more to say.

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Re:NC Disappointments Sat, 10 November 2007 16:03
I agree

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Re:NC Disappointments Sat, 10 November 2007 16:05
GTS Mudda schrieb am Sat, 10 November 2007 15:55

I agree 100%.


So do I.

Staying #1 by playing ONE rated game against Mudda may have been 'funny' (I wouldn't have done that either but at least I can understand it a bit).

But, Tofra ...
Making a full lobby wait for your game - including your own team members!!!! - will not be considered funny by anyone.

In case we ever play again it will be open and rated.

[Updated on: Sat, 10 November 2007 16:14]

      
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Re:NC Disappointments Sat, 10 November 2007 16:52
GTS Womble schrieb am Sat, 10 November 2007 15:49

And next years rules should include that all matches have to be played or otherwise the Team will be disqualified.





I agree also and I am very angry about outstanding games in quarterfinal.. even my own team is involved (Tofra !!!! stand up and play !!!!!!) but also NCZ/OLE should think about completing their matches

Nanni Smile

[Updated on: Sat, 10 November 2007 16:54]

      
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Re:NC Disappointments Sat, 10 November 2007 17:35
I agree

The point for me is..............

The GTS Team got the worst lobby of all teams in NC, last year and this year.

Everyone thinks we are a team of unfair assholes.

Let me say:

"I am not"

And my team members An-Team, Mudda, Train, Nanni, Womble, Hecki and Maia aren't.

I decide.

Mudda stays as Captain!!!!!!!!

And plays the following matches and makes the right decisions.

Greetings

The Captains Captain.


      
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Re:NC Disappointments Sat, 10 November 2007 18:12
I'll agree from the winning team's perspective to playing all of the games, but disagree on the losing team's side, it should be up to that person. Why, you may ask? When it's over it's over, the incentive is gone and I can give you a scenario where the losing team's player has an incentive to lose the match.
      
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Re:NC Disappointments Sat, 10 November 2007 18:38
In case both players agree to cancel a match that has no importance any more that's fine with me.

As the winner you should feel obliged to play if the loser wants to. If the loser doesn't want to play I would not press him to do so.

But in my view it is NOT OK
- to cancel an appointment on the agreed playing day (for no better reason than 'I don't want to'); opponent and spectators have planned their day and are 'not amused'
- to cancel at all without talking to your team members or at least your captain

      
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Re:NC Disappointments Sat, 10 November 2007 20:35
I'm ready to play it
It can be unrated if tofra prefer
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Re:NC Disappointments Sat, 10 November 2007 21:17
David....no way.... you are fine and I apologize for my team mate.
I know that it was not your proposal to suspend the games. What makes me really angry is that there was no information - from tofra - not even to his team.

[Updated on: Sat, 10 November 2007 21:18]

      
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Re:NC Disappointments Sat, 10 November 2007 21:17
Hi

davidb9 - Mercurey schrieb am Sat, 10 November 2007 20:35

I'm ready to play it
It can be unrated if tofra prefer



Please, don't do this! Play only rated in such a tournament! I prefer you on number one with beating him than getting me number one without him playing.

bye, erps

      
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Re:NC Disappointments Sun, 11 November 2007 00:34
Mudda, no reason for you to resign!

But for unfair behaviour, I would rather see the exclusion of your teammember, and not yours.

I don't have the right or the power to decide about that issue, but that's my opinion and that's what I would like to see.

BTW, games will stay rated and open!

[Updated on: Sun, 11 November 2007 00:35]

      
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Re:NC Disappointments Sun, 11 November 2007 01:09
not that anyone cares about my opinion but at least it is a rational and logical one.


Tofra is well within his rights not to play. There is no rule that says he has to, no rule that says he has to inform ANYONE. All he has to do is not show up for the match and he forfeits. He at least told David it seems and also Mudda towards the time of the match. He was not required to.

I don't think many of you (if any) know of Tofra's reasons and I don't think it is fair for many of you to be saying that it was only ok to do if he has a "good" reason.

What is a good reason to him may not be to you and vice versa. You can assume you know his reasons but that is all it is, an assumption.

Leave Tofra alone. He didn't break any rules. Yes it MIGHT be considered inconsiderate if he knew there would be a lot of people who wanted to watch the game but it is HIS choice.

Be nice to see some other rational points of view also instead of an "I'm ticked off at tofra thread".

You know it freaking amazes me that all this anger and venom goes on in the forums all the time and DOW could care less but when a few babies get offended by what is obviously a role playing pompous guy then DOW decides to ban people without even talking to them or caring about the real situation. I had written more about this but don't want to hijack this thread so I'll put it on a different thread.


Baron

[Updated on: Sun, 11 November 2007 01:27]

      
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Re:NC Disappointments Sun, 11 November 2007 01:10
We are out...
But we have the real true #1

TA TA TAM DAVID
      
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Re:NC Disappointments Sun, 11 November 2007 01:39
Tired of it All schrieb am Sat, 10 November 2007 18:09

Yes it MIGHT be considered inconsiderate if he knew there would be a lot of people who wanted to watch the game but it is HIS choice.



His choice, sure, but he is part of a team...

      
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Re:NC Disappointments Sun, 11 November 2007 06:17
thadd schrieb am Sun, 11 November 2007 01:39


His choice, sure, but he is part of a team...


No longer... GTS has officially kicked out Tofra today and he wont play neither in Half final and possible Final. Also the team-captains role is given to another player with honest and nice fairplay background named GTS Goscha. I am still sorry for my team mate but not sorry for this decision... for 3 reasons:

1. Nobody can explain his unrated series of games. Some of You might disagree but as I watched Tofs history from time to time (with all his unrated games) he would probably be the first player to reign with 1880 ELO or more. So nobody knows why he acts like this... strange... And Baron: Nobody knows except Tofra himself!

2. His behaviour during NC was strange, too. Always dated his games as last (friday or saturday) of GTS-Team in order to "forfeit" when its "done", as he did in this particular case.

3. His rude behaviour towards GTS team members. Information - give and not to give. Me as former captain made lots of fun with RED and NC participants but without any pm or info given, he simply broke the #1 behaviour rule of fair play and me, as a sports man, cannot accept that at all... ever since I live I never met such a behaviour and wont tolerate.

So my last act as captain might be to ban Tofra and send the new lineup to TD. Of course without Tofra and without Mudda.

Good luck to GTS!

Sincerely Yours...

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Re:NC Disappointments Sun, 11 November 2007 13:30
mudda,

you have my respect!

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Re:NC Disappointments Sun, 11 November 2007 14:15
Muddassohn wrote on Sun, 11 November 2007 06:17



new lineup to TD. Of course without Mudda.



please reconsider.
imo you really belong in the team (if the new captain selects you of course Smile ) and in NC.
      
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Re:NC Disappointments Sun, 11 November 2007 14:44
Quote:


In case both players agree to cancel a match that has no importance any more that's fine with me.

As the winner you should feel obliged to play if the loser wants to. If the loser doesn't want to play I would not press him to do so.

But in my view it is NOT OK
- to cancel an appointment on the agreed playing day (for no better reason than 'I don't want to'); opponent and spectators have planned their day and are 'not amused'
- to cancel at all without talking to your team members or at least your captain




I 100 % agree Dea.

And Mudda, as far as I can see it you are a fantastic captain and a superb element in the NC, it would be a big shame if you decide not to play anymore over something that was not your fault in the first place. I hope for your team's sake and the NC you will reconsider and play the semi's (unfortunately GTS will not reach the finals Evil or Very Mad Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad , so no decision needed beyond the semi's hehe.

Gogo MUDDAAAAAAAA !!!!!!
      
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Re:NC Disappointments Sun, 11 November 2007 18:21
sry to all who waited, forgot to post it in the forum
      
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Re:NC Disappointments Sun, 11 November 2007 22:38
In real life outside the TTR world, Mudda, Tofra and Train have a real good relationship. They visit each other and planned the GTS Team together. Last year we won that tournament.

But sometimes the "Matrix" is an ugly place.
This year the NC includes many hot discussions.

Many thanks to all who defends the positions really fair.

All grown-ups decided to calm down and give the best for the Team.

So, it's a pleasure for me to say to our opponents:

"The whole GTS Team is ready to defend the title".

CU in the games.

Thanks
Goscha

      
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Re:NC Disappointments Sun, 11 November 2007 22:46
Hi,

Mudda has thrown his job as Cpt. and everything what you are able to answer, is...

GTS Tofra schrieb am Sun, 11 November 2007 18:21

sry to all who waited, forgot to post it in the forum


Strange answer!

@Mudda: I understand your anger but you are GTS, not Tofra, you had so much fun, not Tofra, most of players respect you, not Tofra!

So don't be a fool, get off your tush and play!!! Smile

Ciao

Nay
      
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Re:NC Disappointments Mon, 12 November 2007 11:03
farcical
      
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Re:NC Disappointments Mon, 12 November 2007 11:45
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GTS Goscha schrieb am Sat, 10 November 2007 17:35



Everyone thinks we are a team of unfair assholes.

Let me say:

"I am not"

And my team members An-Team, Mudda, Train, Nanni, Womble, Hecki and Maia aren't.




GTS Goscha schrieb am Sun, 11 November 2007 22:38



So, it's a pleasure for me to say to our opponents:

"The whole GTS Team is ready to defend the title".




So why don't you live up to your own high standards? This is munition for everyone's opinion.

bye, erps
      
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Re:NC Disappointments Mon, 12 November 2007 12:43
Quote:


Strange answer!



Oh, and what would you expect? Flowers and chocolates for the whole community as an appology? Laughing

Quote:


@Mudda: I understand your anger but you are GTS, not Tofra, you had so much fun, not Tofra, most of players respect you, not Tofra!


1. I thought the whole GTS is GTS, not only Mudda...ehm, and Tofra is in GTS as well, just to let you know

2. Who are the most players who don´t respect Tofra? Based on what?

3. How do you know Tofra is having no fun?

Now, I am not defending anyone (just to avoid confusions), just
strong, offensive words based on nothing MAKE ME FURIOUS. The revolution in GTS is over, love&peace are in the air and everything is fine, as Goscha wrote, so why did you have to write all this?

And erps, wow, you are the only player in this community who can make me absolutely confused...sometimes, it must be my misunderstanding of german humour, but in this case, what was this about??

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Re:NC Disappointments Mon, 12 November 2007 13:13
Hi

Maybe you should add that

* it were only team members of GTS that opened threads and taking the whole "revolution" inside of GTS into the public.

* all other players of the community only reacted to this.

* now everything is "fine" and we should believe this?

I only wanted to illustrate my 100% Ack to sebbo's "Farcical" with the 2 most important quotes. Anything read between the lines beyond that is up to your own mind.

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Re:NC Disappointments Mon, 12 November 2007 13:22
Who talked about "fair play", "assholes" and "i never ever will play in a team with him again"?

Now nothing changed (apart from muddas name, which is against the rules by the way), but everything is fine?

Again: farcical
      
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Re:NC Disappointments Mon, 12 November 2007 13:41
sebbo wrote on Mon, 12 November 2007 07:22

apart from muddas name, which is against the rules by the way



He's just preparing for his opponent, now it's against the rules vs. against the rules.
      
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Re:NC Disappointments Mon, 12 November 2007 13:52
Guys, brothers in arms, sebbo and erps,
is it so difficult to understand, that some people are
able to discuss problematic situations, forgive and go in a friendly way on?

And maybe you two perfect souls never say anything incosiderate when feeling offended, decieved or angry, but just to let you know, it is normal.

And yeeeeeeees, it is of course farcical, like most of banal problems in life, so what?

maia

[Updated on: Mon, 12 November 2007 13:54]

      
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Re:NC Disappointments Mon, 12 November 2007 14:15
I agree with sebbo and erps!
And maia, it seems you are not able to think twice - but it doesn't matter, you are quite young so maybe you will understand in few years Smile

Ciao

Nay

[Updated on: Mon, 12 November 2007 14:16]

      
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Re:NC Disappointments Mon, 12 November 2007 15:44
Maybe nothing compared to flowers and chocolate, but when in the upcoming week is Tofra playing David the (rated) match, again ?

[Updated on: Mon, 12 November 2007 15:46]

      
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Re:NC Disappointments Mon, 12 November 2007 21:56
david is NUMBER ONE !
      
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Re:NC Disappointments Tue, 13 November 2007 01:30
GTS Tofra schrieb am Sun, 11 November 2007 18:21

sry to all who waited, forgot to post it in the forum


Today Tofra apologized personally and I accepted it. What will remain is that I am no longer captain of GTS, Goscha decided to let Tobias play, even without the captains banner I still wouldnt have let him played this or next week but this is another story. I will play halffinal cause Anu accepted to play me on tuesday (the only day I am able this week - thank You LAS!).

sebbo schrieb am Mon, 12 November 2007 11:03

farcical


erps schrieb am Mon, 12 November 2007 13:13


* it were only team members of GTS that opened threads and taking the whole "revolution" inside of GTS into the public.

* all other players of the community only reacted to this.

* now everything is "fine" and we should belive this?


Gosh, You are able to set Your watch with their redundant comments. Those two remind me of the two senils in the Muppet Show (I remember badly "Waldorf" and "Stadler" !?!) always commenting everything. With one important difference: they laugh after their comments. Here - everybody is laughing about them...

Erps I might show You my input of pms on saturday and sunday: 42!!! People from all over the world agreed with me and would have acted the same way, some of them even left their comments in the lobby. So I guess it must have something do with whether bad eyes or totally ignorance when You dont see this particular case might have influence on ALL teams. What if everbody decides if he plays or not short time before or to appear whenever he/she wants!? You were the one that spent more rules to the NC board than anybody else, why is there no rule dealing with what happens with players when they dont improve appearance? I was so upset about it, Im still running in circles cause of this (repeated) behaviour.

All other players just reacted to this? Oh my god! Maybe they didnt give away tickets for their favourite soccer club but they surely were interested in those games and planed their days for catching both players... they just showed me the right way - ignore those stupid side comments and play and WIN THE NATIONS CUP AGAIN!!!

But dont forget (before Ex-ReThinks start to whine about the unforgetable loss last year) Mason68 didnt finish his NC games in last years final too. I asked him a couple of times afterwards... So Tofra is not the only one... But hopefully last!


Nayeli schrieb am Mon, 12 November 2007 14:15


And maia, it seems you are not able to think twice - but it doesn't matter, you are quite young so maybe you will understand in few years


Dear Nicole...As far as I know Elena, I really think that she owns lots of emotional intelligence and I admire her for her coolness in games and in current situations... She might be a much more relaxed person than me and I hope she will ignore Your comment. I beg Your pardon...

See You tomorrow in the Ticket to Ride "Konferenzschaltung"!

Mudda
      
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Re:NC Disappointments Tue, 13 November 2007 10:44
Hi

I wrote a PM but only short: You have completly misunderstood my post and i think everybody should see this.

And yes: I think that every game should be played. Maybe we should not force the runner-up after losing the final to play (seems a little hard for me Wink) but normally all games should be played. In Davis Cup such matches are reduced from Best of 5 to Best of 3, maybe we should say the same: Bo7 -> Bo5 / Bo3 or if both captains (!! not the players !!) agree, the game can be cancelled.

If someone has read my draft for the rules BEFORE this NC:

Quote:

(2) Unsportsmanlike behaviour
(2a) The TD is able to penalize an unsportsmanlike behaviour of a player or a team with expulsion, clash, match or game loss or a warning. In case of expulsion the Rule board must acclaim with ordinary resolution. A team expulsion is only accepted with a Two-third vote.
(2b) In case of team expulsion every clash against this team is (re)counted with a full victory of matches and games (e.g. 5:0; 15:0 for 5 matches per clash).
(2c) The TD must have been witness of the unsportsmanlike behaviour or must have proof in form of screenshots or recordings or forum entries or witnesses (at least 2).



But nobody will do, only a paper tiger of a NC Board is doing no work anymore.

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Re:NC Disappointments Tue, 13 November 2007 11:16
Dear Mudda

Quote:

But dont forget (before Ex-ReThinks start to whine about the unforgetable loss last year) Mason68 didnt finish his NC games in last years final too. I asked him a couple of times afterwards... So Tofra is not the only one... But hopefully last
!

Please, calm down. Don´t compare the situation of the game last year with the situation now. They are completly different.

Yes, you asked me two times, and i hadn´t the time to finish our games but!! you also agree to cancel the games because the NC was finished !!! Nobody were interested to see theses last games (by the way-- we have played 2 or 3 games), days after decission was made.

Therefore don´t whine. You have decided it too!!

Bye
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Tofra The Rebellious Tue, 13 November 2007 15:47
What is so 'farcical'?
And, Maia, who has anal problems in life?
First Tofra is kicked out of the NC and now I see him in the Semi Finals?!
Is this German humor? I think it is...

Too bad GTS reinstated you again, Tofra. I was almost beginning to sympathize with you...
Me as a banned Dutchie and you as a banned sausage lover could have had our own NC team next year! Surprised
Oh well, a boy can dream...

Anyways, I'm just glad and proud to have been a member of TNT. No troubles; just unity and great team spirit. Like our French brothers from White TGV. Wink Proud

But Mudda...

GTS Mudda wrote on Tue, 13 November 2007 01:30

Gosh, You are able to set Your watch with their redundant comments. Those two remind me of the two senils in the Muppet Show (I remember badly "Waldorf" and "Stadler" !?!) always commenting everything. With one important difference: they laugh after their comments. Here - everybody is laughing about them...


You crack me up. Laughing

Stay team captain, son of your mom! You're a cool dude!

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