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tank commander
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Zasdert Ultun
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Zasdert Ultun
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Tue, 16 September 2008 02:08
 
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How do I contact Allierato, He doesn't seem to have a DoW account.
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tank commander
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Tue, 16 September 2008 11:32
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| Zasdert Ultun wrote on Mon, 15 September 2008 20:08 |
How do I contact Allierato, He doesn't seem to have a DoW account.
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I have sent you a PM w/ his contact info.
TC
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yangtze
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Tue, 16 September 2008 20:28
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Not being able to PM and not having Cab's email, I thought it might be an idea to set up a simple player info database at the Yahoo group site - so I did! I've entered my details already - hope Cab does soon! 
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Caboose
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Tue, 16 September 2008 21:10
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| yangtze wrote on Tue, 16 September 2008 12:28 |
Not being able to PM and not having Cab's email, I thought it might be an idea to set up a simple player info database at the Yahoo group site - so I did! I've entered my details already - hope Cab does soon!
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Oh Don, you do have my contact info...how's this for a "hint"..first king of England?
If that doesn't do it, don't know what will.
Cab
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Caboose
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Tue, 16 September 2008 21:15
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My only question, and probably a few people's perhaps, is how one does the AirPack rules on Vassal ? Can anyone explain how to implement it on Vassal ?
Thanks
Cab
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yangtze
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Tue, 16 September 2008 23:05
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Ah, I still have trouble associating 'Caboose' with 'Tom V.'... 
The latest Vassal module has airplane units, BTW, which is all you need to play air rules
Don
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Caboose
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Brummbar
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Tue, 16 September 2008 23:23
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| Caboose wrote on Tue, 16 September 2008 12:15 |
My only question, and probably a few people's perhaps, is how one does the AirPack rules on Vassal ? Can anyone explain how to implement it on Vassal ?
Thanks
Cab
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Perhaps I can be of some help (since I set it up, I hope so!)...what is the problem in particular?
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tank commander
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Wed, 17 September 2008 02:16
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| Brummbär wrote on Tue, 16 September 2008 17:23 |
| Caboose wrote on Tue, 16 September 2008 12:15 |
My only question, and probably a few people's perhaps, is how one does the AirPack rules on Vassal ? Can anyone explain how to implement it on Vassal ?
Thanks
Cab
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Perhaps I can be of some help (since I set it up, I hope so!)...what is the problem in particular?
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Ah, I knew if I waited long enough Brummbar would jump in on this one. Brummbar certainly can help you out here Caboose.
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Zasdert Ultun
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Wed, 17 September 2008 03:28
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I think I had the same problem. You need to download the extension folder and, unlike the other downloads, unzip it. It will contain the terrain pack, pacific theater, eastern front, and the air pack (overlord must be downloaded seperatly)
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Col Hogan
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Wed, 17 September 2008 12:39
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It looks like on Vassal there aren't any airplanes in Mont Mouchet, so we shouldnt need to worry.
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sam1812
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Wed, 17 September 2008 13:51
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That's correct -- there are no planes in Mont Mouchet.
But the Air version has a major difference from the original version: Roads.
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TommieSL
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Wed, 17 September 2008 15:24
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Unless specified otherwise in the scenario's Special rules
section, when players agree that Air rules are in effect, each
player receives one new Air Sortie card in his hand at the start
of the game.
So, the question is - are we playing with Air Rules or not?
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Col Hogan
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Wed, 17 September 2008 21:21
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I don't believe that it says that anywhere in the rules TommieSL.
The roads are a mojor difference
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tank commander
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Wed, 17 September 2008 22:15
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| TommieSL wrote on Wed, 17 September 2008 09:24 |
Unless specified otherwise in the scenario's Special rules
section, when players agree that Air rules are in effect, each
player receives one new Air Sortie card in his hand at the start
of the game.
So, the question is - are we playing with Air Rules or not?
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Yes, we are playing w/ the Air Rules in this round and in all future rounds.
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tank commander
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Wed, 17 September 2008 22:17
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| Col Hogan wrote on Wed, 17 September 2008 15:21 |
I don't believe that it says that anywhere in the rules TommieSL.
The roads are a mojor difference
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The below section is from Pg 3 of the Air Rules. The underlined parts are mine.
HOW AND WHEN TO USE THE AIR RULES
All of the scenarios enclosed in this book may now be
played using these accompanying Air rules.
Unless specified otherwise in the scenario's Special rules
section, when players agree that Air rules are in effect, each
player receives one new Air Sortie card in his hand at the start
of the game.
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Col Hogan
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Wed, 17 September 2008 22:56
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Ok, must have missed that. 
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tank commander
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Wed, 17 September 2008 23:06
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| Col Hogan wrote on Wed, 17 September 2008 16:56 |
Ok, must have missed that.
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No problem. I am still going over the Air Rules (I think I am on my third read through).
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Zasdert Ultun
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Wed, 17 September 2008 23:38
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When playing this battle on Vassal though, no air sorties appear next to the board.
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Zasdert Ultun
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Wed, 17 September 2008 23:39
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MATCH EIGHT # 15 Allierato vs # 16 Zasdert Ultun
Sunday the 21st. 1pm (EST), 7pm (CET).
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Brummbar
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Wed, 17 September 2008 23:57
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| Zasdert Ultun wrote on Wed, 17 September 2008 14:38 |
When playing this battle on Vassal though, no air sorties appear next to the board.
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This is correct, because this scenario doesn't play with Air Sorties as per the Air Pack rule book, it doesn't have the Air Sorties in Vassal either.
I suggest to keep things simple, this one is played without the Air Rules.
In fact, I would suggest that we play with or without the Air Sorties as per the set up in Vassal (just to keep things clear and easy)
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Zasdert Ultun
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Thu, 18 September 2008 00:30
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I do not own the air pack, so I may be wrong, but the rules do say that ALL of the scenarios have been refitted for the air rules. I also noticed that the only vassal battles with air sorties are those where something is specifically noted in the rules about them. Perhaps that the creator of the vassal M44 overlooked the fact that all of the battles without direct references give one air sortie to each player?
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tank commander
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Thu, 18 September 2008 01:02
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| Brummbär wrote on Wed, 17 September 2008 17:57 |
| Zasdert Ultun wrote on Wed, 17 September 2008 14:38 |
When playing this battle on Vassal though, no air sorties appear next to the board.
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This is correct, because this scenario doesn't play with Air Sorties as per the Air Pack rule book, it doesn't have the Air Sorties in Vassal either.
I suggest to keep things simple, this one is played without the Air Rules.
In fact, I would suggest that we play with or without the Air Sorties as per the set up in Vassal (just to keep things clear and easy)
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Ah, I just thought that one could incorporate the Air Sortie cards in any scenarios that did not have them set off to the side at start.
OK, if there is no other way, then we will play w/o the Air Rules in this one and future ones that do not have the Air Sortie cards available until the cards are added somehow to the other scenarios (if possible).
[Updated on: Thu, 18 September 2008 01:03]
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Brummbar
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Thu, 18 September 2008 01:55
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Yes, sorry...I should've realized the next scenario doesn't use the Air Rules...wasn't paying close enough attention.
As a side note, while designing the Air Pack extension, there wasn't an easy way to set up the cards so that they could be put into the deck at a later time.
In hindsight, I could've just left them in like every scenario and players could decide to dump them if they don't want to play Air Pack. Something to consider for the next upgrade...whose list of fixes is growing!
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Zasdert Ultun
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Thu, 18 September 2008 02:13
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Is there really meant to be air rules in this scenario?
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Caboose
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Thu, 18 September 2008 23:15
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| Brummbär wrote on Wed, 17 September 2008 17:55 |
Yes, sorry...I should've realized the next scenario doesn't use the Air Rules...wasn't paying close enough attention.
As a side note, while designing the Air Pack extension, there wasn't an easy way to set up the cards so that they could be put into the deck at a later time.
In hindsight, I could've just left them in like every scenario and players could decide to dump them if they don't want to play Air Pack. Something to consider for the next upgrade...whose list of fixes is growing!
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Brummbar, agreed, that problem would have been the easy thing to do, OR in the Air Tab, be able to drag the Sortie cards. Either way would probably work.
Brummbar again : Also I did notice in the chart button under the Air rules tab, it seems the last plane in the Air rules seems to maybe be missing some info (it's the Russian plane)?!? Sadly I don't have my AirPack rules with me or I would have verified. Thus if it is missing info, add that to the list.
Brummbar again : When might there be another update for M44 for Vassal - since that missing image message is quite annoying for me whenever a unit goes to 0. Just curious.
As for using AirPack on Vassal, got some other folks to help so no issue there now, just that some folks MIGHT not be familiar with how to work Air Pack on Vassal. And that when you play the Air Sortie card, select the Air button and then pick the correct plane for the year and side you are on.
Well actually do have one question which came up and couldn't find regarding Air Pack (and this is in general). If an airplane is next to TWO cities/towns (or other similiar items), do both cities add up for Air Check purposes? I'm presuming yes but just want to verify.
Cab
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Col Hogan
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Fri, 19 September 2008 00:50
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Seems like in this scenario, its an advantage to play axis first, because, then as allies, you know whether you will need to kill that tank for the 5th medal, or if you just need 4, so I think it should be that the higher ranked player should get to choose what side to play first.
btw- Coltsfan, i sent you a pm, did you get it?
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TommieSL
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Fri, 19 September 2008 01:51
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Brummbar and I followed the guidelines set out in Round 1, namely, the highest ranked player plays first as the Allies.
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Clexton27
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Fri, 19 September 2008 04:54
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Dear Cab, it is not the adjacent terrain which effects the aircheck roll but rather the terrain that the plane is airborne over.
An Aircheck of 2 is the maximum for any particular terrain. Other modifiers are adjacent enemy units.
On another note:
I agree with the highest ranked player playing first as allies.
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LtRock
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Fri, 19 September 2008 16:31
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Hi TC,
Just to be clear, are we playing with full air rules (ie each player get an air sortie card) or are we just playing with the "air rules" map?
I had it my mind that we would play air rules with Vassals interpetation ie those maps that load up with Air Sortie cards?
Lt Rock
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Brummbar
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Fri, 19 September 2008 16:40
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| Caboose wrote on Thu, 18 September 2008 14:15 |
Brummbar, agreed, that problem would have been the easy thing to do, OR in the Air Tab, be able to drag the Sortie cards. Either way would probably work.
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If only it were that easy. My initial version did in fact have the Air Sorties as part of the Air tab, but it was difficult to manage and open to exploits. The way I have it now is much better (and took a lot of figuring out!). I'm also not to keen on going back and having to re-do all of those scenarios at this time. Any volunteers?
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Brummbar again : Also I did notice in the chart button under the Air rules tab, it seems the last plane in the Air rules seems to maybe be missing some info (it's the Russian plane)?!? Sadly I don't have my AirPack rules with me or I would have verified. Thus if it is missing info, add that to the list.
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I see all of the info...maybe it just works on a Mac? Anyone else having this problem? Could you perhaps post or send me a screen shot? This might be an easy fix.
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Brummbar again : When might there be another update for M44 for Vassal - since that missing image message is quite annoying for me whenever a unit goes to 0. Just curious.
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Again, I don't get this problem so it's difficult to troubleshoot. So you are saying when a unit drops to 0 and is placed on the medal track you run into this error message? Hmmm...not sure what can be done about that.
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As for using AirPack on Vassal, got some other folks to help so no issue there now, just that some folks MIGHT not be familiar with how to work Air Pack on Vassal. And that when you play the Air Sortie card, select the Air button and then pick the correct plane for the year and side you are on.
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A tutorial on Vassal in general would be ideal...I just don't have the time for that unfortunately. Perhaps someone else could craft one?
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Well actually do have one question which came up and couldn't find regarding Air Pack (and this is in general). If an airplane is next to TWO cities/towns (or other similiar items), do both cities add up for Air Check purposes? I'm presuming yes but just want to verify.
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"Next to TWO cities/towns" Terrain next to an airplane doesn't count towards Air Checks, only the terrain the plane is actually on counts. So if the plane is on a town hex, then that is the Air Check number...the only modifiers after the hex terrain is enemy adjacent. Did I understand your question correctly?
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Brummbar
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Fri, 19 September 2008 16:42
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| LtRock wrote on Fri, 19 September 2008 07:31 |
Hi TC,
Just to be clear, are we playing with full air rules (ie each player get an air sortie card) or are we just playing with the "air rules" map?
I had it my mind that we would play air rules with Vassals interpetation ie those maps that load up with Air Sortie cards?
Lt Rock
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Ths short answer is...however the scenario comes up.
When the map from the Air Pack is loaded, if there are no Air Sortie cards beside the board, then it is a non-air scenario and played as is. Otherwise, yes, there will be Air Sorties and it will be a scenario with Air.
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tank commander
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Fri, 19 September 2008 16:43
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| LtRock wrote on Fri, 19 September 2008 10:31 |
Hi TC,
Just to be clear, are we playing with full air rules (ie each player get an air sortie card) or are we just playing with the "air rules" map?
I had it my mind that we would play air rules with Vassals interpetation ie those maps that load up with Air Sortie cards?
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Hi Lt Rock.
We are using the Air Pack revised scenario.
I had intended that we would use the air rules for every scenario from now on. However we cannot use the air rules w/ this scenario (and many others) as there are no air sortie cards available for it.
So for the time being, we will use the Air Pack revised scenarios and the air rules when a scenario allows their use.
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Brummbar
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Fri, 19 September 2008 16:44
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| Zasdert Ultun wrote on Wed, 17 September 2008 17:13 |
Is there really meant to be air rules in this scenario?
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You should be able to tell from your Air Pack book...you do own a copy right?
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Caboose
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Brummbar
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Re:Mem 44 ladder - Rd # 2 - Mont Mouchet w/ Air Rules
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Fri, 19 September 2008 20:37
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| Caboose wrote on Fri, 19 September 2008 11:04 |
| Brummbär wrote on Fri, 19 September 2008 08:44 |
| Zasdert Ultun wrote on Wed, 17 September 2008 17:13 |
Is there really meant to be air rules in this scenario?
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You should be able to tell from your Air Pack book...you do own a copy right?
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Brummbar, some people might own Air Pack but we sure hate to have to go running to it for playing Vassal - namely for this ladder. So thus it seems the current version of the scenario (which is w/o Air Sortie) seems to be the way it will be played. Correct?
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Correct.
For the record though, I commented about owning the Air Pack because that is required to be playing on Vassal, ownership. Otherwise we are infringing on DoW generous offer to allow us to put this on Vassal at all.
So please, if you don't own a copy of the Air Pack and are playing with it on Vassal, please get a copy.
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As for that Air tab, I was wondering why there were no Air Sortie cards there. Can send you pics of the 2 items...PM me your email address since I think that might be the best way of sending those pics.
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Please drop me a line through my site. Thanks.
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