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Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Sat, 25 October 2008 14:52
I am a big Mem44 fan, owning multiple copies and expansions. With the arrival of the Mediterranean pack, I was disappointed with the infantry, and worse, the artillery. The Valentines seem fine. However the British figures are considerably "thicker" than the German or American units - leg and arm diameters seem to be double the diameter, and putting the German and British units side by side they look more like 20mm against 15mm. Also the British hats have no lips, and are much fuller than the British helmet, and so the figures look more like giant American soldiers in shorts. The 25 pdrs are worse - these iconic weapons should have a very characteristic V-shaped carriage (viewed from above (eg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Aust_2-3_ Field_Artillery_25_pdr_Wewak_1945.jpg, http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Barracks/3050/hap_25.jpg). The sculptor has just made the carriage as a continuation of the gun barrel!!! So an appeal from a fan: please can Days of Wonder ensure that the weapons they sculpt copy the weapons with some accuracy (ie at least the level of accuracy that has been used in the other packs), and keep the infantry figure scales consistent.

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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Sun, 26 October 2008 11:20
drtimcouper wrote on Sat, 25 October 2008 14:52

I am a big Mem44 fan, owning multiple copies and expansions. With the arrival of the Mediterranean pack, I was disappointed with the infantry, and worse, the artillery. The Valentines seem fine. However the British figures are considerably "thicker" than the German or American units - leg and arm diameters seem to be double the diameter, and putting the German and British units side by side they look more like 20mm against 15mm. Also the British hats have no lips, and are much fuller than the British helmet, and so the figures look more like giant American soldiers in shorts. The 25 pdrs are worse - these iconic weapons should have a very characteristic V-shaped carriage (viewed from above (eg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Aust_2-3_ Field_Artillery_25_pdr_Wewak_1945.jpg, http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Barracks/3050/hap_25.jpg). The sculptor has just made the carriage as a continuation of the gun barrel!!! So an appeal from a fan: please can Days of Wonder ensure that the weapons they sculpt copy the weapons with some accuracy (ie at least the level of accuracy that has been used in the other packs), and keep the infantry figure scales consistent.

Tim




I wonder how you can be satisfied with the Crusaders if you think they look like Valentines? Laughing Seriuosly, I do agree with all the points you make and I'd like to add that a Crusader has 5 wheels and not 6 as shown on the miniature....
      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Sun, 26 October 2008 15:55
They could have put out a generic game piece and used different colors for each side???? oh yeah.. they did that....

anyway if you don't like the minis, then go get different plastic soldiers and tanks... it's a game!!!!!! I have a tonne of lead and pewter minis I use on the big board I have. Your not being kept from using anything you want...

      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Sun, 26 October 2008 17:54
Why are there no reference cards included?
      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Sun, 26 October 2008 18:16
They are going to be released along with any new reference cards in future (probably not soon) big expansion similar to the Air Pack.
      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Sun, 26 October 2008 21:36
printing cards is expensive.... very.... to include only a few cards would not be cost effective. if they had, then the set would have been another 5 bucks or 3 euros... for the extra cost you can almost get a whole deck...

they could have printed the card in the rule book???? then I could have copied it and put it in the baseball card sheets I have all my other cards in....
      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Sun, 26 October 2008 22:22
If they put them in the rulebook, there would be no point; you'd be flipping pages to get to different cards. As for copying, that is assuming everyone else has a copier, and is ok with flimsy paper.
      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Sun, 26 October 2008 23:12
Randwulf wrote on Sun, 26 October 2008 14:55

They could have put out a generic game piece and used different colors for each side???? oh yeah.. they did that....

anyway if you don't like the minis, then go get different plastic soldiers and tanks... it's a game!!!!!! I have a tonne of lead and pewter minis I use on the big board I have. Your not being kept from using anything you want...




This is a user forum, surely users are allowed to express an opinion? Sure there are alternatives, such as use Airfix figures and metal minis, but that doesnt mean we cant say we are disspaointed when our favourite game company puts out a poor release (which is what the mediterranean expansion is)
      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Sun, 26 October 2008 23:41
My view is that the Mediterranean expansion is a poor release for a number of reasons. I am a big DoW fan, have a number of their games and M44 expansions, but this one lets them down. And unlike some other posters on these forums, I am willing to say that the emperor has no clothes

Inaccurate
Yes I know its just a game, but you but a British expansion because of definitive British characteristics, so getting these wrong misses the point
1) The tank has too many wheels
2) The helmets do not have the distinctive lip that differentiate them from the Germans, Americans and Russians
3) The anti tank gun is a Panzer Faust, not a bazooka or PIAT, and it barely made it in time for the desert war to finish. So dont do the box art with a brit holding it and dont call it a PIAT in the rules
4) A previous poster(Gilgamesh 2008 http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?th=15423&start=0 )tells us that the badges and names of the Italian army are wrong. This may seem picky, but imagine the RAF being described as the English Air Force

Poor Rules
1) The stiff upper lip rule is week. It doesnt force a change in strategy in the way the Russian or Japanese rules do. No one is going to leave a single figure in a position because they may be able to throw a single dice in retaliation if they survive. It doesnt change strategy it just makes the rules more complex
2) The Italian rule allowing them to move 3 spaces in retreat because they had great motorized infantry. Please, it wasnt any better than the Germans, or the Ruskies riding on the back of T34s. I am sorry, let us not beat about the bush, the Italians did have a reputation for surrendering or giving in too easily. So come up with a rule that reflects that, not one that is advantageous and allows them to be as stealthy as the French Resistance
3) If the Crusader had one advantage, it was its speed. So why limit it to move only 2 spaces. Maybe have it move 3 and fire range of 2

Poor Execution
1) The tanks are too flat and small, and the soldiers are too stocky
2) What kind of pose is that soldier doing. It’s not exactly going to strike the fear into the Afrika Korps. The Germans, Americans and Russians all have far more aggressive poses
3) 25 Pounders look poor and squashed. Though I suppose that at least the Brits have artillery whereas the Americans have to make do with Pak37s
4) Where are the Overlord Chits for the British, as per the Overlord Expansion. I assumed that they would come in this pack too.
5) If DoW had chosen the Matilda, the tank could have been used in early war, Desert and Eastern Front scenarios. The Crusader only ever featured in the Western Desert

Sorry, I really wanted to like this expansion, but there are too many faults with it. Crying or Very Sad

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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Mon, 27 October 2008 01:10
From what I have seen, this is a war within itself

The sides are the Memoir '44 fans vs. the WWII fans.

If you buy the expansions because are bordering on obsessed want to collect the whole set to show how devoted you are, you ignore the faults and enjoy the game.

If you like this game because of the historical content and are more collecting them because you enjoy WWII, then you will shun the accuracy and refuse to spend money on something that doesn't fit with the rest of your collection.

Either way, you want to buy all the expansions, fun or not, accurate or not. The not fun or not accurate expansions may sit on the shelf for the rest of their lives, but at least they will be bought no matter what.


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Inaccurate
Yes I know its just a game, but you but a British expansion because of definitive British characteristics, so getting these wrong misses the point

Once again, this depends whether you are a fan of the game of a collector of the game. Besides, they could have just stayed with green allies and blue axis, and release only new terrain tiles. Aren't you lucky you are getting something?

guybee wrote on Sun, 26 October 2008 18:41


1) The tank has too many wheels
2) The helmets do not have the distinctive lip that differentiate them from the Germans, Americans and Russians
3) The anti tank gun is a Panzer Faust, not a bazooka or PIAT, and it barely made it in time for the desert war to finish. So dont do the box art with a brit holding it and dont call it a PIAT in the rules
4) A previous poster(Gilgamesh 2008 http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?th=15423&start=0 )tells us that the badges and names of the Italian army are wrong. This may seem picky, but imagine the RAF being described as the English Air Force


All of the above only matters if you understand and know it. I didn't even know what a crusader or a PIAT was before this expansion was released. If you don't know what something is, It doesn't matter to you (this may be a key border between the fans and the collectors).

guybee wrote on Sun, 26 October 2008 18:41


Poor Rules
1) The stiff upper lip rule is week. It doesnt force a change in strategy in the way the Russian or Japanese rules do. No one is going to leave a single figure in a position because they may be able to throw a single dice in retaliation if they survive. It doesnt change strategy it just makes the rules more complex
2) The Italian rule allowing them to move 3 spaces in retreat because they had great motorized infantry. Please, it wasnt any better than the Germans, or the Ruskies riding on the back of T34s. I am sorry, let us not beat about the bush, the Italians did have a reputation for surrendering or giving in too easily. So come up with a rule that reflects that, not one that is advantageous and allows them to be as stealthy as the French Resistance
3) If the Crusader had one advantage, it was its speed. So why limit it to move only 2 spaces. Maybe have it move 3 and fire range of 2

I agree with the first point here. I understand his reasoning behind how it is a rule that complicates things more than the Japanese and Russian rules that force a different strategy. May I point out though, his first point here talks nothing about historical accuracy, only about the game. This may be a point were fans (such as I) agree with the collectors.

The second and third points don't matter to me because, yes they do affect the game, but the reasoning behind the complaints is historical content that I personally don't care for as much as making the game fun.

guybee wrote on Sun, 26 October 2008 18:41


Poor Execution
1) The tanks are too flat and small, and the soldiers are too stocky
2) What kind of pose is that soldier doing. It’s not exactly going to strike the fear into the Afrika Korps. The Germans, Americans and Russians all have far more aggressive poses
3) 25 Pounders look poor and squashed. Though I suppose that at least the Brits have artillery whereas the Americans have to make do with Pak37s
4) Where are the Overlord Chits for the British, as per the Overlord Expansion. I assumed that they would come in this pack too.
5) If DoW had chosen the Matilda, the tank could have been used in early war, Desert and Eastern Front scenarios. The Crusader only ever featured in the Western Desert


1) A point where some collectors and fans would agree and some wouldn't, it depends how much you care for craftsmanship
2) Same as 1
3) Something fans wouldn't care about too much
4) This is the first time I have heard this, I may have to think about it for a while
Very Happy This also brings up the old argument over if the Operation overlord expansion is necessary. I'm not worried about that now.
5) Once again, only collectors and people who care about historical content would care about.


There is no fine line between the collectors and the fans. Obviously the two groups will fight over it. I love history and can tell you all the major and some minor events in detail of the past 10,000 years. I just don't care too much for the very fine detail such as the kind of tank or helmet. I know and care about where the british fought, who they fought and why they fought; I don't know and care about what they used.

I don't mean to sound offensive to anybody, but I did not try not to sound biased.

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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Mon, 27 October 2008 01:20
There are some criticisms that can be made, but the pieces look good on the desert board and the scenarios are good, so for me the criticisms are minor and don't detract from a good game.

The Italian retreat rule isn't that much of an advantage on a flat desert board. Note that the reputation the Italians had is largely unjustified. They were brave fighters with poor leadership by all accounts. Anyway it still looks like they're running away if that floats your boat Very Happy

The British tank movement restriction is more, I think, to do with tactical inflexibility, unimaginative leadership, and an infantry support doctrine than anything to do with the technical capabilities of the tanks.

The stiff upper lip rule might possibly change the German strategy. You have to be alive to the possibility of a battle-back if you close assault any position. It actually happens in the game more than you might think.

Also you didn't mention the socks. Everybody loves the socks Wink
      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Mon, 27 October 2008 09:42
yangtze wrote on Mon, 27 October 2008 01:20



The British tank movement restriction is more, I think, to do with tactical inflexibility, unimaginative leadership, and an infantry support doctrine than anything to do with the technical capabilities of the tanks.

Wink


I completely agree... I thought it in the same way
      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Mon, 27 October 2008 09:43
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The stiff upper lip rule might possibly change the German strategy. You have to be alive to the possibility of a battle-back if you close assault any position. It actually happens in the game more than you might think.




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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Mon, 27 October 2008 13:52
If I may, to what "infantry support doctrine" do you refer? The British had three types of tanks, Infantry Tanks for, well, supporting infantry, Light Tanks for recon, and cruiser or medium tanks for fighting other tanks and pursuit. The Crusader was a cruiser tank. It was not tasked to support infantry.

However, if you think about the tank icons as not specifically Crusaders, but rather as a generic for British tanks, you just might justify the speed thing.

But, as has been said, its a game, not a simulation.
      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Mon, 27 October 2008 15:12
RonB wrote on Mon, 27 October 2008 13:52

If I may, to what "infantry support doctrine" do you refer? The British had three types of tanks, Infantry Tanks for, well, supporting infantry, Light Tanks for recon, and cruiser or medium tanks for fighting other tanks and pursuit. The Crusader was a cruiser tank. It was not tasked to support infantry.

However, if you think about the tank icons as not specifically Crusaders, but rather as a generic for British tanks, you just might justify the speed thing.

But, as has been said, its a game, not a simulation.


In my opinion the matter is that moving the tank just two hexes is a great handicap playing memoir'44...and it's very good to represent the fact that british tanks, crews and officer were much less skilled than their german counter-parts that were the best in the war during the war.

Another way to handicap british tanks could have been to give them less range but I think that the reduced mobility is good to represent the lack of coordination and communication in which instead german junior officers or even subofficers where better trained.

In addition every tank miniature in memoir'44 don't represent only that tank, and not only generic tanks but even assault guns or tank destroyers (jut one instance: look at operation goodwood)

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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Mon, 27 October 2008 20:31
In response to all but particularly Zasdert.

First of all thanks to everyone for such a reasoned response. I expected to get blown out of the water but even though I dont agree with all of the responses they are all balanced views. It wont surprise you all to know that I could give an answer to all points raised, but I have had my say and will leave it there.

I wouldnt call myself a collector, the minis arent up to that standard and there are better, more expensive, dedicated models around if I was going to go that route. But I am a tank and ww2 fanatic and know my stuff, and therefore I notice these details and they are important to me. And I would never have bought the original game if it had paper counters, I loved the little tanks!

I think M44 is a fantastic game. So not a 'war within itself'. I just expressed my opinion about one of the expansions in the same way that many others have done, I just have slightly more negative view than most.

Peace and love to all (in a wargame context of course Smile )

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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Mon, 27 October 2008 21:15
guybee wrote on Mon, 27 October 2008 20:31

In response to all but particularly Zasdert.

First of all thanks to everyone for such a reasoned response. I expected to get blown out of the water but even though I dont agree with all of the responses they are all balanced views. It wont surprise you all to know that I could give an answer to all points raised, but I have had my say and will leave it there.

I wouldnt call myself a collector, the minis arent up to that standard and there are better, more expensive, dedicated models around if I was going to go that route. But I am a tank and ww2 fanatic and know my stuff, and therefore I notice these details and they are important to me. And I would never have bought the original game if it had paper counters, I loved the little tanks!

I think M44 is a fantastic game. So not a 'war within itself'. I just expressed my opinion about one of the expansions in the same way that many others have done, I just have slightly more negative view than most.

Peace and love to all (in a wargame context of course Smile )

Guy



I see you... I've expressed a lots of critics to the air pack expansion (look at my thread "air pack bugs?") and most people don't share my opinions at all.

I think also that memoir is a fantastic game...but you're right there are some wrong thing....


The italian army was Regio esercito (Royal Army) and Italian Flags at the time had in the middle the simble of the royal family if not simbles of the fascism. The green white and red flag was no used.

While I like the rules and the scenarios of the expansion I agree with you that the figures could have been better....the infantry's cap, the crusader tank with the wrong number of wheels, and someone found errors even in the 25 pdr

In addition the miniatures seems fit well only in the desert landscapes and not in the western front scenarios.. expecially the crusader

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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Tue, 28 October 2008 00:07
While I agree with much of what has been said, Piat is a panzerschreck, stocky guys, 6 wheel crusader tanks, squashed arty. We do need to keep one thing in mind. This is supposed to be a board game and not a miniatures game. That is to say, that three armor figures represent one unit of armor, it doesn't even matter if the armor figures look like any particular tank. Some games have colored blocks for pieces. So while, I can see ideally it would have been nice for the pieces to look better, it really doesn't matter. I'm personally glad that this is not a miniatures game. Then you have to buy your miniatures, put them together, paint them, glue them back together when they break, ect. But I am on your side about the PIAT/Panzershreck thing.


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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Wed, 29 October 2008 13:44
While I understand that this is not a miniatures game, you couldn't prove that by visiting the user pages and viewing all the painted figures and tanks. It has been said over and over in this forum that part of the appeal of this system is the visual aspect. If true, it seems only logical that DOW should spend a bit of time on what the 'counters' look like.

That being said, I'll play it anyway and not worry a lot about the 6 wheels or flat hats or whatever. However, the Piatschreck is a major faux pas. All of those rules and debate to govern a weapon that wasn't even used in the theater seems a waste of effort, to say the least.
      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Wed, 29 October 2008 13:55
The panzershreck is a Special Weapons Asset representative of general anti-tank capability. It doesn't signify an actual panzershreck. The piece will be used in early war scenarios as much as desert and late war. Best to think of an infantry unit so equipped as an infantry unit with more than the usual number of anti-tank guns attached.
      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Wed, 29 October 2008 18:29
I got my two packs of Med. Exp. this week.
Thank you very much DOW.!!
I don't mind the slight problems which others have commented on.
I might if I have time take some sandpaper and lower the helmets a wee bit.
But, that won't be any time soon.
Yeah, the tanks are a bit flat. I'll live with it though.
As to the guns, I like them better this way. No more broken/bent artillery pieces! Razz Razz Razz
I have quite a few one wheeled pieces in my collection. Sad
All in all, well done although YMMV.
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Wed, 29 October 2008 18:34
YMMV? Honestly, you young people...

Your Mortars Must Vamos? Yesterday Monty Managed Victory? Yonder Minefield Mangles Vehicles???

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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Wed, 29 October 2008 22:19
Young? Shocked Rolling Eyes
No, just been writing on message boards for a few years. Smile

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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Wed, 29 October 2008 22:22
I didn't know that one either. I looked it up:

YMMV Your Mileage May Vary
YMMV Your Method May Vary
YMMV Your Market May Vary (advertisements)

I'm not sure, but I'm guessing he meant the last one!

Anyway, I look forward to getting this expansion, no matter what the details are (and I agree about the new artillery, it looks less fragile than some of the previous pieces; I too have many broken artillery figures)
      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Thu, 30 October 2008 00:27
Even if the Piatschreck represents something else, why would they select a German weapon to represent assets in a British unit? Anyway you cut it, that counter was not a good choice for whatever it represents keeping in mind that its a British expansion.
      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Thu, 30 October 2008 01:15
It is used by the Germans in a couple of battles too, if you look carefully enough. This proves that it is a generic anti-tank gun. Once again, I don't know much of the detail about the exact equipment, but I am sure that the Germans, Italians, and British did not all use the same weapons.

Would you prefer a gun that looks nothing like anything ever used in WWII?

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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Thu, 30 October 2008 08:02
True enough Zasdert.

RonB, you can always use spare artillery pieces instead of the panzershreck minis if you prefer their looks.
      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Thu, 30 October 2008 13:17
As I said, I'll play the game. I was just holding up my end of the conversation. Just observational comments.
      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Thu, 30 October 2008 20:54
Common guys

The panzershreck/bazooka/piat is just a glorified 3D counter Cool

The Crusader looks like a Crusader (even with the extra wheel)

The 25pdr looks like a 25pdr

The Tommie looks like.......ARGHH dare I say it??? an Italian soldier!!! (courtesy of the french forum)



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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Fri, 31 October 2008 04:21
well then paint them in Italian colors and get some better Revel or Hat British figs????

but we still need a good set of figs for the It tanks and arty...

I already have old British desert army figs from Revel...

      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Fri, 31 October 2008 04:54
Will do, my old Airfix, Revell and Matchbox will come to the rescue...as soon as my preordered and not yet arrived ME ..er...arrives

The "Italians" will get a suitable color... light gray?....
      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Fri, 31 October 2008 17:45
I did a kinda light greenish gray??? for my micro armor Italians.

I only did one of my M44 sets... flat gray and OD green. kinda boring... but it helps separate the sets for Overlord. Nothing like fantastic stuff others have posted. I may do a light tan for my Brits...
      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Fri, 31 October 2008 18:32
Hello guy's,

To compose an Italian army, I do so and will paint them so :

1) infantry of mediterranean expansion
2) Japanese tank HA-GO as Italian M13/40
3) Japanese artillery as 20mm Italian antitank gun (without wheels!!).

Of course, you need two japanese boxes expansions but it worse them. Figures and tiles, badges and others are good.

I have also two russian expansions too. the second one may translate a french, dutch, belgian early army of 1940 even tito's troops.

For those troops, I use :

1) infantry ---) russian
2) artillery---) russian
3) tanks ------) japanese for somua (3) and for B1Bis (4).

A mean to use them. It's why i very fond of japanese Ha-go tank. It can be "Stuart" "light tanks" as russian T-60 and T-70...

How do you see that?

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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Fri, 31 October 2008 19:13
Well... seems to be two trains of thought on what you are proposing???

Way cool idea!!!! the Jap tanks will make great M13/40's

the other side....

SACRILEGE!!!!! That's worse that 6 wheels on the Crusader!!!! how dare you!!! AAAAAAAaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh.....


The historical purist in me says AAAaaahhhh but the gamer in me says COOL!!!!!!

but ya know what... the gamer tends to win.
      
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Fri, 31 October 2008 20:32
Yes, we must have imagination to compose some armies with DOW's material. In this case, we must close our's eyes a bit. juste imagine what that could be. Otherwise the price will be too much expensive for accurate figures. We can buy some but not a whole army!!

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yangtze
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Fri, 31 October 2008 22:39
Yes, and an early war expansion would be cool. Panzer II's and Somua's?
      
RonB
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Sat, 01 November 2008 14:05
Now, if any tanks ever needed special rules, its the Italian ones as they were lightly armed and armored, unreliable and poorly led. If ordered to carry out an action, the unit should have to pass some requirement, such as a certain die roll, to be able to actually carry out the action. If they fail the requirement, the player forfeits the card played and the rest of his turn.

The Aussies pressed some into service in Tobruk as they only had a few Matildas of the 32 Armd Bgd, They considered the M-39s and 40s death traps and they were comparing them to BRITISH tanks!
      
leonnez
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Sat, 01 November 2008 19:30
What color would one paint Rommel's Afrika Korps figures? I know some German tanks were painted Sandgelb, but were there some painted in other color, such as Tan or Sand?

I'll appreciate any and all answers. Thank you in advance.

Leon
      
Taylor
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Re:Mediterranean expansion - observations/feedback Fri, 07 November 2008 17:55
I don't have a problem with saying that the crusader represents any British tank and If I was that fussed about it I would add minis from another source e.g. some Grants.
It does seem a shame though that DOW made the brit figure so large and that the 25pounder is missing the V shaped chassis. Also it seems to show a lack of effort to produce a tank figure with the wrong number of wheels. (I probably wouldn't have noticed that one though if someone else hadn't mentioned it but would expect the sculptor to check before making the model)

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