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Moving On - The Next Expansion Wed, 12 November 2008 22:29
Well we have all had our say about the Med Theatre, me included, so I thought I'd strike a more positive note and start some idle speculation about the next expansion. So here are a couple of suggestions my top 3

1) Blitzkrieg Expansion
All of the Western Front scenarios bar one are 1944 or later, so great scope for early war. It might include

12 x Panzer 2's
12 x Matilda's (useful for MT too)
12 x Somua 35s (The germans used captured ones on the Eastern Front, so could use them there as well)
22 French Infantry
22 (proper Smile ) British Infantry

Special Blitzkrieg rules that encourage encircling troops and cutting off their supply lines (I have drafted some rules but haven't playtested them yet)

2) Kursk Expasnion
12 x Panthers
6 x Tigers
18 x KV-1's

Special rules would relate to different rules for different tanks types, eg for heacy tanks, move 2 fire 4 or move 2 throw 4 dice


Maybe over the next couple of years we can exceed the number of posts that the demand for the Brit expansion thread got!!!
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Wed, 12 November 2008 23:05
guybee wrote on Wed, 12 November 2008 22:29

Well we have all had our say about the Med Theatre, me included, so I thought I'd strike a more positive note and start some idle speculation about the next expansion. So here are a couple of suggestions my top 3

1) Blitzkrieg Expansion
All of the Western Front scenarios bar one are 1944 or later, so great scope for early war. It might include

12 x Panzer 2's
12 x Matilda's (useful for MT too)
12 x Somua 35s (The germans used captured ones on the Eastern Front, so could use them there as well)
22 French Infantry
22 (proper Smile ) British Infantry

Special Blitzkrieg rules that encourage encircling troops and cutting off their supply lines (I have drafted some rules but haven't playtested them yet)

2) Kursk Expasnion
12 x Panthers
6 x Tigers
18 x KV-1's

Special rules would relate to different rules for different tanks types, eg for heacy tanks, move 2 fire 4 or move 2 throw 4 dice


Maybe over the next couple of years we can exceed the number of posts that the demand for the Brit expansion thread got!!!


Do we really need this? I think that we don't need new miniatures.... and plastics...

do we really need british french, italian, chinese, polish, jugoslavian, brazilian etc. miniatures?

Can't we use the miniatures we already own?

do we really need panzer I,II,III, IV, V , VI miniatures ,etc. etc.? I prefer the concept of tanks representing various model of tanks including also assault guns and tank destroyers.

do we really need Stukas, Sturmovik, P-51, FW 190, Thypoons etc.?

I prefer having new scenarios using the expensions already released, expecially overlord ones without buying paper maps!


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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Wed, 12 November 2008 23:11
My vote is firmly behind Winter Storm on this one! Cool

The beauty of Memoir '44 is that it isn't a Miniatures game, it just happens to use miniatures! What I mean is, you don't have to keep buying little sets of the latest unit...instead, you use badges to represent different kinds of tanks or different units and spend your money on an expansion that includes tiles, scenarios and sometimes miniatures.

The expansion I would really like to see is the computer version! My wife will play M'44 with me but not as often as I would like. It would be great to be able to play on the computer. Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Wed, 12 November 2008 23:27
Lighten up!

No we dont need it, we dont need supply trucks, or stiff upper lip rules or 3d scenery

But it is a forum, so I thought I'd start a discussion and try and get us off the 'Mediteranean Theatre is a bit disspointing' angle

And who doesnt want a Tiger tank to play with? Smile

      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Wed, 12 November 2008 23:33
guybee wrote on Wed, 12 November 2008 23:27

Lighten up!

No we dont need it, we dont need supply trucks, or stiff upper lip rules or 3d scenery

But it is a forum, so I thought I'd start a discussion and try and get us off the 'Mediteranean Theatre is a bit disspointing' angle

And who doesnt want a Tiger tank to play with? Smile




I don't need supply truks too... or paper maps... thus I will never buy them! About meditherrean theater (why meditherrean? It should be African!)I think that it has good scenarios and that the axis is advantaged even with the "stiff upper lip"

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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Wed, 12 November 2008 23:49
My vote would be for some additional scenarios - perhaps with a campaign aspect to it - for the next expansion. I have to agree that the paper maps have to go though!

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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Thu, 13 November 2008 00:15
My vote would be for additional Break Through Scenarios, they could incorporate some of the units (plastic) you are speaking of into those.

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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Thu, 13 November 2008 00:50
I and my gaming group prefer playing overlord scenarios. In fact we have played the original 5 well over 50 times. I really want more Overlord scenarios. I'm not crazy about the paper map that just came out with two new overlords, but hey they are overlords.

I really was surprised that the "Overlord" expansion didn't include several new (overlord) scenarios with it. That would've cut down on the grips of it not being worth the price.

At this point I would like to see more scenarios, using the many tiles we already have that aren't used yet and some Italian minatures. They were after all the 3rd Axis Power in the war.
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Thu, 13 November 2008 01:07
I like the idea of more Breakthrough maps. Interesting question though...I wonder how they will format a page with the breakthrough map on it because so far we've only seen a pre-printed map! Rolling Eyes

New Overlord maps would make sense too, since it's more of a supported format at this point. I don't play very much Overlord, but maybe I would if there were lots of official scenarios.
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Thu, 13 November 2008 01:15
Ras,
If you and your wife both have laptops, you could both get online and play a Vassal game against each other. Think of it as sophisticated battleship.
Laughing Laughing

Seriously, you should consider getting on the Vassal bandwagon and enjoy at least a game without setup.

This is the only current Memoir 44 computer version.
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Thu, 13 November 2008 02:23
An official M44 computer game/online version would be nice though.
Most Likely:
-Better Graphics
-More People willing to simply buy and play it rather than go through many complex downloads
-Another Code
-With more players, more tornoments like the current ladder and maybe in other formats
-More Overlords, as there would most likely be many people sitting in the lobby with time on their hands
-Not as many technical difficulties Smile

That would be my top choice for the next development.

Didn't Eric say something about an equipment expansion, or was that just a rumor?

My speculations for that (if it even exists):
-Similar to the Terrain Pack
-More badges
-More new rules
-More Terrain Tiles
-More pieces similar to the PIATs
-Perhaps more airplanes Rolling Eyes

[Updated on: Thu, 13 November 2008 02:23]

      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Thu, 13 November 2008 05:27
I would love a Blitzkrieg expansion with french troops and some national rule...but after the miss on the British trooper that does not look like one...i prefer to wait without expectations so i will not be disappointed.

Just give us new scenarios, i will get my troops some where else.
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Thu, 13 November 2008 07:34
My vote is for an equipment expansion with generic trucks, armoured cars, mortars and Infantry portable anti-tank weapons, AND scenarios to use them with! Very Happy

OR

I'd love to see an actual M44 campaign module.
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Thu, 13 November 2008 14:13
Hello,

I agree with generic infantry, armour and weapons. In such a way 24 light tanks well done can simulate italian M13/40, german panzer38T, french somuas, etc... For the present time, I use japanese HA-GO in this way. It's why i have two Pacific expansions. So, the japanese gun can simulate the 20mm italian anti-tank gun as well (without wheels).

This game dosn't need a lot of miniatures but generic's one. For example, the russian gun may be a french artillery too and american one.

So what can be a "generic weapon" for tanks and amrour and artillery because for infantry, we can buy 1/72 figures which are good.

My wish would be :

- a generic light tank as light armour and reco.
- a generic artillery
- a generic mobile gun. One for axis the other for Allies.

But everyone can buy what what he needs in extra purchase. Soldiers, tanks and vehicules and of course soldiers. Some boxes are interesting because you have mortars, snipers, engineers and machine-guns, anti-tanks light weapons.

What expansion?

- a blitzkrieg one with. For the present time, I use the russian figure as French, Dutch and Belgian soldier. Artillery as well. So if no soldiers and artillery in this expansion we could have a mathilda and a somua instead with special rules, new cards and tiles...The platic's colour could be the same as russian expansion to generate others armies. Well, the British soldier ins't yet coming so... A special offer box can be buy.

Cool . Cool.
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Thu, 13 November 2008 22:56
SnorriHT1 wrote on Thu, 13 November 2008 06:34

My vote is for an equipment expansion with generic trucks, armoured cars, mortars and Infantry portable anti-tank weapons, AND scenarios to use them with! Very Happy

OR

I'd love to see an actual M44 campaign module.


Please not generic units, might as well be blocks of wood. A number of us came to this game in part because of the high quality components, particularly the pieces.

Dont care about the soldiers, as Airfix et al work well, what I want is tanks, tanks and more tanks Laughing
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Thu, 13 November 2008 23:26
We really don't need generic units. I vote for more overlord maps/missions and perhaps breakthrough maps for those who didn't get the bag. And my vote has always been for an expansion with more sea area and ship counters. The invasion of Iwo Jima didn't start at the beach. Someone (don't remember who) made their own breakthrough island map with a lot more sea around it. We don't need a whole island, just a beach with more sea area, and perhaps more land area as well. I know, I've said the same thing in numerous posts, but it's important to me.
http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?goto=110300#msg_110300

http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?goto=70516#msg_70516

Check these threads to see what the discussion on this has been so far. I think that a little more sea and shore area, with ships, could add as much to the game as the air pack did. And since there are no plastic pieces involved, the price could be reasonable.

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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Thu, 13 November 2008 23:33
Laughing Laughing Laughing

If you stick with the idea long enough, it might become a reality! Smile Don't give up my friend. Hey, if it's out there, I would be willing to give it a try. Very Happy
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Fri, 14 November 2008 02:05
50th wrote on Thu, 13 November 2008 17:26

We really don't need generic units. I vote for more overlord maps/missions and perhaps breakthrough maps for those who didn't get the bag. And my vote has always been for an expansion with more sea area and ship counters. The invasion of Iwo Jima didn't start at the beach. Someone (don't remember who) made their own breakthrough island map with a lot more sea around it. We don't need a whole island, just a beach with more sea area, and perhaps more land area as well. I know, I've said the same thing in numerous posts, but it's important to me.
http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?goto=110300#msg_110300

http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?goto=70516#msg_70516

Check these threads to see what the discussion on this has been so far. I think that a little more sea and shore area, with ships, could add as much to the game as the air pack did. And since there are no plastic pieces involved, the price could be reasonable.


Perhaps a breakthrough beach landing?

One of the "boards" could be half ocean-half beach and the other could be all land hexes.

[Updated on: Fri, 14 November 2008 02:05]

      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Fri, 14 November 2008 05:16
guybee wrote on Fri, 14 November 2008 08:56

SnorriHT1 wrote on Thu, 13 November 2008 06:34

My vote is for an equipment expansion with generic trucks, armoured cars, mortars and Infantry portable anti-tank weapons, AND scenarios to use them with! Very Happy

OR

I'd love to see an actual M44 campaign module.


Please not generic units, might as well be blocks of wood. A number of us came to this game in part because of the high quality components, particularly the pieces.

Dont care about the soldiers, as Airfix et al work well, what I want is tanks, tanks and more tanks Laughing



OOOhhh...a good idea that!

Tiger Tanks! Twisted Evil
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Fri, 14 November 2008 14:25
50th wrote on Thu, 13 November 2008 23:26

We really don't need generic units. I vote for more overlord maps/missions and perhaps breakthrough maps for those who didn't get the bag.





I completely agree.

I think that there could be a lot of scenarios set in eastern front or pacific theatre, like landings at iwo jima or the fight for stalingrad or the final battle for berlin.

I would like new scenarios with snipers and to see unused things like cavalry,dragon theeth, broken bridge etc.
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Fri, 14 November 2008 15:42
I agree that it would be nice to see new scenarios that use terrain that we haven't seen much of or terrain we haven't used at all yet! More snipers would be great (even some sniper badges for other nations, maybe), it would be fun to use the broken bridges, maybe throw some more random terrain from the TP too.

The only problem I foresee with an expansion that uses lots of terrain that we already have, is that some people are going to complain because they don't yet own the Terrain Pack, or the Air Pack. DoW has to walk a fine line between giving us something new and using the stuff we already have! And man, we aren't always an easy group to please! Laughing

I'll be curious to see what the next expansion really turns out to be... Rolling Eyes

Who knows, maybe it'll be something totally new like a map with lots of ocean hexes for beach landings and ships! (That's a shout-out for you, 50th)

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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Sat, 15 November 2008 18:48
I agree with guybee on this one. One of the reasons I like M'44 is because it uses miniatures.

I know you can use Airfix etc figures but plastic tanks etc of the right scale are hard to come by and personally I do not wish to use metal tanks. I also prefer to use "official" figures as I like all the infantry poses to be the same.

I certainly would want to see the Blitzkrieg and Kursk expansions outlined (not generic equipment). My own preferences for expansions would be :

French 1940 - Figures and Char b or Suma Tanks with French 75 Guns

Italian expansion set - Figures and M13/40 Tanks and artillery

Equipment expansion to include German SPG (e.g. Wespe),Allied SPG (M7 Priest), Russian SPG, Half Tracks (SDKFZ 251 and M3) for panzer grenadiers and motorised infantry.
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Sat, 15 November 2008 23:40
Hooray!!!

Lets have Matildas, Valentines, Churchills, Char B's, Wespes, Stug III's, SDKFZ 231s, Kubelwagens, Pumas, King Tigers (with a Porsche turret) JS3's, Centurions (just)

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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Sun, 16 November 2008 00:21
Hello,

Mathilda's and somua's seems to be a good start in a bitzkrieg expansion. Isn't it? But an Italian isn't bad too!! M13/40, 20mm ATG and Italian troops.

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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Sun, 16 November 2008 02:13
I still think generic units are better. If things are too specific, people will complain about them being used in the wrong battles. Besides, why would you want more plastic figures? Why not just have more badges that take up less space? I understand and agree with the want for new figures for different nations, but I don't agree with new figures for different types of units.

Or there could be a computer version, that is still my favorite option Very Happy

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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Sun, 16 November 2008 10:10
Zasdert Ultun wrote on Thu, 13 November 2008 18:05

50th wrote on Thu, 13 November 2008 17:26

We really don't need generic units. I vote for more overlord maps/missions and perhaps breakthrough maps for those who didn't get the bag. And my vote has always been for an expansion with more sea area and ship counters. The invasion of Iwo Jima didn't start at the beach. Someone (don't remember who) made their own breakthrough island map with a lot more sea around it. We don't need a whole island, just a beach with more sea area, and perhaps more land area as well. I know, I've said the same thing in numerous posts, but it's important to me.
http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?goto=110300#msg_110300

http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?goto=70516#msg_70516

Check these threads to see what the discussion on this has been so far. I think that a little more sea and shore area, with ships, could add as much to the game as the air pack did. And since there are no plastic pieces involved, the price could be reasonable.


Perhaps a breakthrough beach landing?

One of the "boards" could be half ocean-half beach and the other could be all land hexes.


Perhaps maybe even better is have some additional sea tiles and extend the current land/sea board like an additional row or 2. Since really after the craft have landed, the additional sea rows are not necessary (i.e. space used initially but only from a starting perspective).

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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Sun, 16 November 2008 10:14
rasmussen81 wrote on Fri, 14 November 2008 07:42

I agree that it would be nice to see new scenarios that use terrain that we haven't seen much of or terrain we haven't used at all yet! More snipers would be great (even some sniper badges for other nations, maybe), it would be fun to use the broken bridges, maybe throw some more random terrain from the TP too.

The only problem I foresee with an expansion that uses lots of terrain that we already have, is that some people are going to complain because they don't yet own the Terrain Pack, or the Air Pack. DoW has to walk a fine line between giving us something new and using the stuff we already have! And man, we aren't always an easy group to please! Laughing

I'll be curious to see what the next expansion really turns out to be... Rolling Eyes

Who knows, maybe it'll be something totally new like a map with lots of ocean hexes for beach landings and ships! (That's a shout-out for you, 50th)


Granted Rasmussen, but also I think the Terrain Pack is almost like the next expansion you need (that or Air Pack). Of course had DoW thought this out, maybe they should have included an online code in either of those 2 expansions vs the Pacific Theatre expansion and thus make sure perhaps more people have one of those expansions in their arsenal to use. Since, in my opinion, the Terrain Pack and Air Pack expansions seem to get a lot more bang for the buck than PT has of late.

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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Sun, 16 November 2008 13:57
Hi Guys.

Hate to rain on anyone's parade but....

Making the molds for plastic minis is very expensive. That is what forced the C & C Ancients game to go down the stickered wooden block road. It would have been prohibitively expensive to produce the vast array of different troops types to portray the many different armies of the ancient world w/ minis. So I do not see DOW coming up w/ a whole line of minis of WW II AFVs. I can see a French Exp in the future though and perhaps some more generic vehicle types introduced.
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Sun, 16 November 2008 14:17
tank commander wrote on Sun, 16 November 2008 07:57

Hi Guys.

Hate to rain on anyone's parade but....

Making the molds for plastic minis is very expensive. That is what forced the C & C Ancients game to go down the stickered wooden block road. It would have been prohibitively expensive to produce the vast array of different troops types to portray the many different armies of the ancient world w/ minis. So I do not see DOW coming up w/ a whole line of minis of WW II AFVs. I can see a French Exp in the future though and perhaps some more generic vehicle types introduced.


Exactly the point that has been made over and over. Would you prefer thousands of types of wooden blocks? Or would you prefer generic plastic figures. If you want (and many people have done) you can go out and buy your own figures. I haven't had the time to get some for myself, but from what I hear, there is a pretty good range of specific figures you can buy.

If they are too expensive, well, same with M44 if it had more plastic figures! I see no reason to raise the price for something that only half of us find necessary. With a higher price and more figures, this game would attract less people, due to a higher price and complexity.

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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Mon, 17 November 2008 17:50
tank commander wrote on Sun, 16 November 2008 08:27

....

Making the molds for plastic minis is very expensive. ...


More of a reason to make them right Mad
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Mon, 17 November 2008 19:25
I like the idea of getting some new scenarios. I would really like to see some that are set in Italy during the Allied campaign up through the boot! It would also be fun to see some battles set in Burma...

We could use our cool new (if slightly incorrect) British troops for both locations! Cool
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Mon, 17 November 2008 20:21
Zasdert Ultun wrote on Sun, 16 November 2008 13:17

tank commander wrote on Sun, 16 November 2008 07:57

Hi Guys.

Hate to rain on anyone's parade but....

Making the molds for plastic minis is very expensive. That is what forced the C & C Ancients game to go down the stickered wooden block road. It would have been prohibitively expensive to produce the vast array of different troops types to portray the many different armies of the ancient world w/ minis. So I do not see DOW coming up w/ a whole line of minis of WW II AFVs. I can see a French Exp in the future though and perhaps some more generic vehicle types introduced.


Exactly the point that has been made over and over. Would you prefer thousands of types of wooden blocks? Or would you prefer generic plastic figures. If you want (and many people have done) you can go out and buy your own figures. I haven't had the time to get some for myself, but from what I hear, there is a pretty good range of specific figures you can buy.

If they are too expensive, well, same with M44 if it had more plastic figures! I see no reason to raise the price for something that only half of us find necessary. With a higher price and more figures, this game would attract less people, due to a higher price and complexity.


I used to buy plastic injection mouldings for Ford, so I am aware of the costs. The cost of making the minis is insignificant to the amortisation of the mould costs across the total production of the parts.

What none of us know is the DoW business model and volumes, and it is only with that knowledge that you can state whether or not the moulds are expensive. So unless someone has some numbers, lets look somewhere else for some clues.

The moulds are not so expensive that the Brit expansion couldnt be justified and like the other expansions that army includes 3 different moulds, one of which (the artillery) only has 6 pieces in. In addition that expansion has the anti tank gun in it (3 pieces), so I assume it is financially justifiable at such low volumes.

Also DoW were able to financially justify producing sets of 6 trucks which are not being sold seprataely (and thus increasing the volumes), which no one had asked for, and for which there were no rules at the time of release.

So my conclusion is yes, moulds are a significant investment, but DoW's previous actions have shown that they are able to commercially justify them.

And in answer to your question, generic units or wooden blocks? Neither are acceptable to me for the main units. I may be childish or shallow, but I wouldnt have bought the game in the first place if it wasnt for the units (it was an impluse purchase, I had never heard of it)
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Mon, 17 November 2008 20:47
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I used to buy plastic injection mouldings for Ford, so I am aware of the costs. The cost of making the minis is insignificant to the amortisation of the mould costs across the total production of the parts.

What none of us know is the DoW business model and volumes, and it is only with that knowledge that you can state whether or not the moulds are expensive. So unless someone has some numbers, lets look somewhere else for some clues.

The moulds are not so expensive that the Brit expansion couldnt be justified and like the other expansions that army includes 3 different moulds, one of which (the artillery) only has 6 pieces in. In addition that expansion has the anti tank gun in it (3 pieces), so I assume it is financially justifiable at such low volumes.

Also DoW were able to financially justify producing sets of 6 trucks which are not being sold seprataely (and thus increasing the volumes), which no one had asked for, and for which there were no rules at the time of release.

So my conclusion is yes, moulds are a significant investment, but DoW's previous actions have shown that they are able to commercially justify them.




Very smart considerations indeed !

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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Mon, 17 November 2008 21:23
In my mind, it's not so much a question of whether DoW can afford to make more minis to add lots of new unit types. It comes down to the focus of the game.

Like people have said before, Memoir is not a Miniature's game! It's a light wargame and boardgame that uses miniatures. This is an important distinction when it comes to looking at future expansions because it indicated that they will (in my opinion) never create special figures for the different types of tanks or other units.

One slight change from that is the trucks and the model figures of Anti-tank weapons...but even there, the figures aren't on their own but are sold with larger components of the game system.
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Mon, 17 November 2008 23:33
rasmussen81 wrote on Mon, 17 November 2008 20:23

In my mind, it's not so much a question of whether DoW can afford to make more minis to add lots of new unit types. It comes down to the focus of the game.

Like people have said before, Memoir is not a Miniature's game! It's a light wargame and boardgame that uses miniatures. This is an important distinction when it comes to looking at future expansions because it indicated that they will (in my opinion) never create special figures for the different types of tanks or other units.

One slight change from that is the trucks and the model figures of Anti-tank weapons...but even there, the figures aren't on their own but are sold with larger components of the game system.


But Rass, you dont understand. I just need to see my Tiger tanks going into ambush the Churchill's which are making their way through the Bocage! Am I the only one that feels this way. Please say I'm not alone. Please say its not just me - oh no the men in white coats have just arrived. Smile
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Tue, 18 November 2008 00:44
Well guybee, I understand dreams! I dream of things...I just can't think of any of them right now. Razz

It sounds like you and Brummbar should get together because he has a lot of those special units (and I think he's even developed some advanced rules for them!). I don't remember if you were the person who said they wanted plastic tanks, but you can get metal ones that look really cool. I have some but I haven't gotten around to painting them or using them. I think they'll add a lot of fun to the game, actually! Very Happy
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Tue, 18 November 2008 00:56
Hello soldiers,

Don't forget the scale of this game!! A tank ins't a tank but according the scale a big tank unit or a smal one with many tanks. It's why we have a medium tank as miniature. But some tanks units are not yet in the game as M13/40 for italian tank, mathida's and somua's for blitzkrieg.

But, heavy german tank unit with special rules could be interesting with a tiger for : panther/tiger I/tigerII. from early 43 to the end of the war. in this way we have now personnal anti tank weapon but not yet a 88mm ATG which has been used from 1940 to the end of the war with a great sucess. And what about the german stug weapon especialy developped to counter the russian tanks units?


So, i need some more typical figures but not too much to stay in the spirit of this game as rasmusssen's point of view.

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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Tue, 18 November 2008 22:25
What I would like to see in this order of preference:

1. More tiles (e.g., for waterfront, urban combat).

2. Equipment expansion with more imaginative rules (e.g. mortars, armoured cars etc).

3. More interesting scenarios. Frankly, I find the official DOW scenarios somewhat lacking in excitement for my taste. I like hard objectives requiring "control" of ground, reinforcements, and fights to the death.

4. The rest in whatever order:

a. Italian and French (1940) expansion might be interesting, but do we really need more soldiers?

b. Modular game boards (and more tiles) instead of paper maps.

c. Naval expansion.

I see no need expand from generic (e.g., tank) figures to specialization of each type that the various armies employed (that's why I don't understand this complaint about MT "crusader" tank have too many wheels - it is just a generic Brtish tank). A tank is tank in this game, at least up to this point (until special rules are needed). However, I would welcome an equipment expansion that focused on new generic types of equipment with new rules (e.g., mortars).
      
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Re:Moving On - The Next Expansion Thu, 20 November 2008 02:13
Bar-91 wrote on Mon, 17 November 2008 17:56

Hello soldiers,

Don't forget the scale of this game!! A tank ins't a tank but according the scale a big tank unit or a smal one with many tanks. It's why we have a medium tank as miniature. But some tanks units are not yet in the game as M13/40 for italian tank, mathida's and somua's for blitzkrieg.

But, heavy german tank unit with special rules could be interesting with a tiger for : panther/tiger I/tigerII. from early 43 to the end of the war. in this way we have now personnal anti tank weapon but not yet a 88mm ATG which has been used from 1940 to the end of the war with a great sucess. And what about the german stug weapon especialy developped to counter the russian tanks units?


So, i need some more typical figures but not too much to stay in the spirit of this game as rasmusssen's point of view.

Regards.


Sounds like you need to check out house rules, I have three charts on my user page with regular units, and house rules units.

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