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yuhy
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Reporting abuse / poor behavior Thu, 07 May 2009 14:30
Hello,

I know that part of the re-launch was to allow greater control over abusive players.

What is the process one goes through to report a slow-play, profanity, or other boorish behavior?

Thanks,
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Thu, 07 May 2009 16:23
The fact that you're a second account, changing your name every week, you can admit to right here.

For abusive behaviour, profanity, stalling, check "contact us"
http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/contact/sublevel/?entry_id=34
      
yuhy
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Thu, 07 May 2009 17:12
Hey Trucker,

Always nice to converse with a fellow European board player. When the powers that be changed the structure, I decided to take 2 of my 6 web cards and make a new account.

I wanted to see if I could get up to 1600 with my new account. Also, it gave me more leeway to play some US games, which I am not as good a player on.

There's nothing wrong with that.

Actually, in my 3rd game with the new ID, I played you and won, which jacked me to 1650. I tried my luck a second time and lost, which knocked me all the way back to 1385.

I don't play both accounts as I couldn't even tell you what the other account's user Id is, let alone a password.

As for changing my name, I do change my name quite often. Heck, I changed it 4 times YESTERDAY!!! People don't like to get creamed when they play, and when I play Europe it's a drubbing one way or the other.

People remember, just as I remember playing you. Also, there aren't a lot of European games that get started, so I usually have to start my own.

Those two things together spell long spells of sitting without players.

So I change my name, and people play me. Those that are avoiding a player with 1550 points won't play no matter what, but that's okay. (Another reason I started a new ID).

There are things that happen in the course of a game that get people mad. If I maliciously block somebody and they react negatively, I let it go. However, if they slow-play, complain, swear, etc.just because I happened to get the 8-car train first, that's not right.

So I'll admit to both of your "accusations" because they mean nothing. They are not against the rules, they are not unethical, and they certainly aren't cheating.
      
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Fri, 08 May 2009 13:05
If you have many accounts, its not against rules, but it makes good players like you less. If you want that, go ahead.
If you want try USA, make unrated and improve your skills that way.
If you have experience about playing, but still you start with a new account, people assume you are a noob, and play different against you. So its not cheating, but misleading.
Changing names makes you look more like a cheater of course. Dont play with players, who avoid you because of losing. I would say there are plenty of player left, even one or two doesnt play with you.

If you want to reach 1600, 3 games gives you nothing but
a provisional score. Your score is official only after 20 games, when it turns to established. If you cannot reach 1600+ with your first account, you are not 1600+ player and a new account doesnt make any change, even if you had amazing luck in few games.

[Updated on: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:07]

      
yuhy
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Fri, 08 May 2009 13:58
Thanks,

Interesting advice.

At this point, I'm at 1560 after 750 games.

I concede that the first twenty games would have included a few whiz bang moments.

But once I hit 20 games, and my score was pegged at 1400, there wasn't anything to indicate a noob any more (I know plenty of 1000 game players that aren't good -- and plenty of high scores in players with only 200 or 300 games under their belts.

Trucker's insinuation that this makes me less of a player is garbage.

      
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Tue, 02 June 2009 15:50
To address the original question... Rolling Eyes

I believe that you can select not to let a player join your games because of rude behavior and if the behavior continues or you're in a game that was created by someone else and the rude players keeps joining, you can write a message to DoW staff about the problem and they can suspend the player.

I hope this helps. Cool
      
Mr Homn
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Fri, 08 January 2010 15:03
HoNeY 2010 wrote on Thu, 07 May 2009 17:12


There are things that happen in the course of a game that get people mad. If I maliciously block somebody and they react negatively, I let it go. However, if they slow-play, complain, swear, etc.just because I happened to get the 8-car train first, that's not right.



Hey HoNeY 2010, what's up with you?
I played you twice on the EU map during the last couple of days. Both times, you were blocking like mad (unsuccessfully, I might add). When you saw it didn't work (same in both games), you quit the game and let the bot finish (and lose of course). In the first game, just before leaving, you typed "fcker" (which was your only utterance in all of the game). I had not said or written anything but "hi", which I hope didn't offend you.
If you need help or a doctor, let me know.

      
yuhy
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Fri, 08 January 2010 19:15
Hey Mr. Homm,

Congrats on my butt-kicking this morning.

The comment was not aimed at you, rather the game, which I believe had some pretty terrible draws for me (like costing me 4 locos over two turns.

One of our two games which I blocked was after some pretty effective blocking by you. It was a last-ditch and obviously ineffective way to win.

Secondly, the fact that you came and gloated kind of takes away any kind of "holier-than-thou" attitude you might have had.

Finally, leaving a game and letting the bot finish because I don't feel like sitting around and watching a 130 - 64 score go up is NOT the same as slow playing a game to the end.

I left, you took your two turns and finished the game. You got your full points for winning, I lost the points for losing, and lost karma to boot.

It is my choice to do that, but it doesn't impact you. I don't look forward to any future games, as you are an excellent player who doesn't get rattled. Smile
      
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Fri, 08 January 2010 21:08
Time for anew écrit le Fri, 08 January 2010 13:15


Finally, leaving a game and letting the bot finish because I don't feel like sitting around and watching a 130 - 64 score go up is NOT the same as slow playing a game to the end.


Would you do that in real life? Why would online play be so different.

And to an opponent, leaving before the end IS THE SAME as slow playing a game to the end because it takes forever for the bot to play its first turn. So if you're 6-8 turns before the end of the game it's, what, 2-3 more minutes at regular pace? Well that's just the amount of time the bot will take before actually playing. That sucks.
      
yuhy
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Fri, 08 January 2010 21:33
barneyg wrote on Fri, 08 January 2010 15:08



Would you do that in real life? Why would online play be so different.

And to an opponent, leaving before the end IS THE SAME as slow playing a game to the end because it takes forever for the bot to play its first turn. So if you're 6-8 turns before the end of the game it's, what, 2-3 more minutes at regular pace? Well that's just the amount of time the bot will take before actually playing. That sucks.


First of all, that's not how much time a bot takes to take over when you voluntarily leave a game. If somebody leaves your game (voluntarily) and the bot takes 3 minutes to play, then you need to let DofW know that. It's a BUG.

Your question about not completing an obviously lost game is interesting. The answer is ABSOLUTELY! In real life, if I'm playing with the wife or my brother, or my parents, once the "GAME" is obviously over (i.e. somebody cannot win), we don't finish the game. We chalk up the win/loss, clear the board, and move forward.

Do YOU actually count up to 162 points when your wife is sitting there with her token on 97?

If you do, you'll be spending some quality time with yourself tonight.

No, there's really no reason to sit and wait for the 138 - 65 score to come up, just as there's no reason to count the longest train, the number of stations, or the ticket points when somebody in real life has failed to make their long route.

Now, sitting the 3 minutes and waiting for the BOT to time you out is a whole different animal.
      
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Fri, 08 January 2010 22:49
There IS a reason to finish the game normally, and it's quite simple:

It's common etiquette NOT to complete a game against a bot if the opponent loses connection.
The standard is: Wait for 5 minutes (to give your opponent a chance to come back) then quit the game.

I'm sure you would appreciate this behaviour, if you lose connection in a game that you think you may have won.

The community tries to "educate" all players, to behave in this way. As long as there are people who quit games on purpose for whatever reason it won't work.

On a personal note:
I consider it normal to end games and count the winner's score normally whatever the developments. One should be able to lose with dignity instead of simply running away.
      
yuhy
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Fri, 08 January 2010 23:15
61_dea1 wrote on Fri, 08 January 2010 16:49

There IS a reason to finish the game normally, and it's quite simple:

It's common etiquette NOT to complete a game against a bot if the opponent loses connection.
The standard is: Wait for 5 minutes (to give your opponent a chance to come back) then quit the game.

I'm sure you would appreciate this behaviour, if you lose connection in a game that you think you may have won.

The community tries to "educate" all players, to behave in this way. As long as there are people who quit games on purpose for whatever reason it won't work.

On a personal note:
I consider it normal to end games and count the winner's score normally whatever the developments. One should be able to lose with dignity instead of simply running away.



2 things:

First, like the last poster claiming it takes 3 minutes for a bot to come back, you have put in a scenario that is not what we're talking about.

At the beginning or even the middle of a game, if a BOT shows up, I agree it is polite to wait to see if it's a disconnect issue or if the person just left (ran out of time), didn't like the developments of the game, etc.

Side note:

Other than myself, I know of NOBODY else who I have seen do this. Usually when I DO have a browser crash, I come back to a completely messed up game. <end Side note>

Standard is to quit? I have never had an opponent -- and I mean less than 3 EVER -- that has ever QUIT those games. It causes me great consternation -- and massive point loss -- when somebody with 987 points beats the bot because the battery on my laptop died.

But all that, again, is moot. We're talking about leaving at the END of the game (when the computer says "this is your last turn"), when the outcome is decided - and obvious.

I don't buy (at all) that if you have obviously won a game of TTR (i.e. the other person says "I had NY - LA and SFO - ATL and made neither"), that you explicitly count the points up. Why would you do that? There's only one reason -- to see just how bad you KILLED your opponent.

Well, the other person doesn't want to see that. And I see no reason to hang around to see if I lost 130 - 75 or 140 - 62. There's just no point. When I win by 40, 80, or 90 points, I don't expect the other person to hang out and wait for me to make my last play.

The Europe game is unique in that good players essentially know who has won long before the final score goes up. The lack of additional long routes and limited long train routes make it quite easy to know your status as the game goes.

      
Mr Homn
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Fri, 08 January 2010 23:51
Time for anew wrote on Fri, 08 January 2010 19:15

The comment was not aimed at you, rather the game, which I believe had some pretty terrible draws for me (like costing me 4 locos over two turns.

Good to know, but why did you type it for me to read then (instead of simply mumbling it to yourself)? Has it occurred to you that some people might consider it offending?

Time for anew wrote on Fri, 08 January 2010 19:15

Secondly, the fact that you came and gloated kind of takes away any kind of "holier-than-thou" attitude you might have had.

"Gloated"? Dear honey, I beg your pardon! The only reason I wrote anything here at all was because I saw *your* old posts on abusive behaviour, making me think of a split personality.

Time for anew wrote on Fri, 08 January 2010 19:15

Finally, leaving a game and letting the bot finish because I don't feel like sitting around and watching a 130 - 64 score go up is NOT the same as slow playing a game to the end.
I left, you took your two turns and finished the game.

One moment! After you left, I was unsure whether to go on or wait for you to return (which is what I normally do when a bot shows up suddenly). In fact, you were my first 1500+ opponent ever to forfeit a lost game like that. Hence my surprise.
As others have remarked, this behaviour does smell a little bit like you were hoping the opponent would leave too (cf. etiquette).

Time for anew wrote on Fri, 08 January 2010 19:15

It is my choice to do that, but it doesn't impact you.

Yes, as long as it is clear what you are doing. My suggestion: Type something like "grats" (instead of "fcker") before you quit. Any reason why this shouldn't be possible?

Hope to play you again!
H.
      
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Sat, 09 January 2010 00:01
Time for anew schrieb am Fri, 08 January 2010 23:15

Other than myself, I know of NOBODY else who I have seen do this.


Then you play the wrong people - all tops do
But if you stick to your attitude you'll have to continue playing the wrong people as the tops won't play you ...
It's up to you (and all other readers) whether you believe me and take the advice or not

Time for anew schrieb am Fri, 08 January 2010 23:15


The Europe game is unique in that good players essentially know who has won long before the final score goes up. The lack of additional long routes and limited long train routes make it quite easy to know your status as the game goes.


Hey, that's news ... we live and learn Laughing Wink

Forgive my sarcasm ... it all depends on the way you play the game - your view may change the more you play and the more different ways of playing you experience.
      
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Sat, 09 January 2010 00:08
Look, i don't want to get into a big argument with you.

I said i was sorry for writing it, even though it wasn't at you. If you're offended by colorful language, please accept a true apology for it. I get the feeling you're not, though, since you've put it twice yourself instead of f****r. Thank you for accepting it. BTW, me and my friends don't use that as a derogatory term all the time, either, but that would require defining colloquialisms and sports-related attitudes that we wouldn't be able to deal with here.

If you want to think you weren't a complete smart-A%# for asking if I needed to see a doctor, then keep boating on "de Nile!"

As I responded to Gary, I've never seen ANYBODY quit a game to which I've had a shutdown / connection issue. My experience is that everybody wants their points they'll get for taking out a 1500+ player -- and if they get those points playing a whole game against a BOT, they will, so why would I think that somebody would quit a game with 1 turn to play.

As I said earlier, I hope to never play you again, because you're much better than your overall score indicates. You must pepper in some USA with Europe. Too much luck in the USA game for my taste.
      
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Sat, 09 January 2010 00:16
All tops do?

XXXX. I've had plenty of 1400, 1500, and 1600+ scorers eat the bot's lunch. I don't care as much when they do it, because I don't lose any points. Just like there's no reason for me to play a bot instead of a guy with 900 points. And I see no reason to beat a "top" guy as a BOT -- because it would piss me off if it happened to me.

But how many is that?

Maybe the guys with 1700+, but MOST of those guys don't play Europe and I won't play USA.

"I'm playing the wrong people?"

That's the thing that pisses me off the most about "the tops." You know something else "the tops" do? They refuse to play the "uncleansed masses" with 1100, 1200, or 1300 points. I don't do that -- I'll play anybody except the -1 guys.

You know what else they do? They only play EACH OTHER -- in lots of 4 person games -- gaming the Chess system.

There's no WAY a player who has lost 15 out of their last 25 games should still have a high score -- unless they've figured out how to game the system -- which they all have.

I gave up thinking I'll get a high ranking a long time ago, because I don't play USA -- and I don't play 4 person games.

But I'll continue to play with a chip on my shoulder and aim high.
      
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Sat, 09 January 2010 01:18
Time for anew wrote on Sat, 09 January 2010 00:08

Look, i don't want to get into a big argument with you.

Quite understandable. Looks like you're kind of alone with your opinion.
I guess this feels a bit Monstar-esque...

Time for anew wrote on Sat, 09 January 2010 00:08

If you want to think you weren't a complete smart-A%# for asking if I needed to see a doctor, then keep boating on "de Nile!"

Hey, you stole that from Fry & Laurie! BTW, being considered smart-rectum in a foreign language by a native speaker should probably be taken as a compliment, so thanks!
About my doctor statement (it wasn't a question), please see my remark regarding "split personality" in my last post. It was not meant as an offense, and my feeling is you weren't really offended by it, were you?

Time for anew wrote on Sat, 09 January 2010 00:08

As I responded to Gary, I've never seen ANYBODY quit a game to which I've had a shutdown / connection issue.

Pity! As was said before, you might be playing the "wrong" people ("wrong" in the sense of not knowing or not following the etiquette). I would ALWAYS stop and wait, and so do most players I know from playing and chatting, most notably the experienced (and hence, higher-ranked) ones.

Time for anew wrote on Sat, 09 January 2010 00:08

My experience is that everybody wants their points they'll get for taking out a 1500+ player -- and if they get those points playing a whole game against a BOT, they will

This is THE very reason why many 1500+ players are not too fond of playing low-ranked players. It's not all about points -- it's also about sportsmanship.

Time for anew wrote on Sat, 09 January 2010 00:08

You must pepper in some USA with Europe. Too much luck in the USA game for my taste.

Funny, I think of it the opposite way: Definitely more luck in the EU games. Just think of tunnels, and the unbalanced "big" tix. Still, I like EU a lot, because I think it's harder to be a "good" player there.
      
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Sat, 09 January 2010 05:41
Europe is more about luck?

I can see the point on the tunnels, which requires you to do more than pull 20 times, then play for longest train and 6'es.

But everything else about Europe is about control -- the single 8 route, ferries, the lack of additional long routes, stations. These are all about control -- which is lacking from USA other than beating the other guy to strategic routes.

I've never thought of EUR as a luck game....
      
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Sat, 09 January 2010 16:08
Time for anew écrit le Fri, 08 January 2010 15:33


First of all, that's not how much time a bot takes to take over when you voluntarily leave a game. If somebody leaves your game (voluntarily) and the bot takes 3 minutes to play, then you need to let DofW know that. It's a BUG.

Your question about not completing an obviously lost game is interesting. The answer is ABSOLUTELY! In real life, if I'm playing with the wife or my brother, or my parents, once the "GAME" is obviously over (i.e. somebody cannot win), we don't finish the game. We chalk up the win/loss, clear the board, and move forward.

Do YOU actually count up to 162 points when your wife is sitting there with her token on 97?


1) I've had Java glitches before, and sometimes leaving the game (voluntarily) and coming back solves the problem. That's why the bot waits before it plays. It's not a bug, it's a DOW design choice, and I don't disagree.

2) I don't count up to 162. How much time does it take you to count your points when you're playing online?? I stay until the end in a lost cause (or a won cause) because sometimes I want to know if I guessed the other players' tickets right, and they're revealed at that time. We could stop a game with my wife 3 turns before the end and I could see her tickets, but online I have to wait for the end screen. Do you think this is a bug too?
      
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Sat, 09 January 2010 16:57
barneyg wrote on Sat, 09 January 2010 10:08



1) I've had Java glitches before, and sometimes leaving the game (voluntarily) and coming back solves the problem. That's why the bot waits before it plays. It's not a bug, it's a DOW design choice, and I don't disagree.

2) I don't count up to 162. How much time does it take you to count your points when you're playing online?? I stay until the end in a lost cause (or a won cause) because sometimes I want to know if I guessed the other players' tickets right, and they're revealed at that time. We could stop a game with my wife 3 turns before the end and I could see her tickets, but online I have to wait for the end screen. Do you think this is a bug too?


But the BOT doesn't wait 3 minutes. It waits something like 30 seconds.

I can see why you want to stay and guess the tickets, but in Europe the only real question is whether your opponent kept their long ticket or not, which is obvious against good players.
      
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Sat, 09 January 2010 20:04
I would like to hear more, the views of those who call their opponent "fcker" during a game interest me enormously.
      
yuhy
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Sun, 10 January 2010 14:25
F&amp;amp;F Truckerteller wrote on Sat, 09 January 2010 14:04

I would like to hear more, the views of those who call their opponent "fcker" during a game interest me enormously.


A) I've already apologized
B) I already mentioned it was not aimed at the opponent, but the game (for 3 oranges on a play for the 8 with oranges).

      
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Wed, 03 February 2010 12:31
Warning !!!! If a player decides to change his name in TTR_THEBEEF or TTR- THE_BEEF or anything else around it. PLEASE don&#8217;t make any confusion with the real BEEF. Almost if you recieve a shower of abuse.
      
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Re:Reporting abuse / poor behavior Wed, 03 February 2010 15:16
TTR-THEBEEF wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 06:31

Warning !!!! If a player decides to change his name in TTR_THEBEEF or TTR- THE_BEEF or anything else around it. PLEASE don&#8217;t make any confusion with the real BEEF. Almost if you recieve a shower of abuse.


Beef, that's horrible!!!

What did you do to this deranged individual?
      
    
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