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nemesszili
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Request for constructive critics Wed, 16 June 2010 10:17
Some guys, who are rating scenarios have rated scenarios with 1 star and no comments! Have they played those scenarios? And if not, how could they possibly rate those scenarios?

There should be a ruling about this - to rate a scenario, you must post an AAR before.

Suggestions?

[Updated on: Wed, 16 June 2010 11:42]

      
Mighty Jim 83
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Re:Request for constructive critics Wed, 16 June 2010 11:23
I've noticed this -it's particularly annoying when that is the only rating.

As a more general thought on on ratings how do people feel about 1 star ratings generally? would it be better to send a personal message to the author with some thoughts/comments on the scenario rather than splattering criticism all over the internet, or is that just intruding?
      
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Re:Request for constructive critics Wed, 16 June 2010 13:38
Feedback is a gift. Negative feedback is an even greater gift, because most people won't tell you when your zipper is open.

Low ratings may be a sign that the scenario is one-sided or hasn't been playtested enough. (Certainly, one-sided scenarios have their functions. I'll play Liberation of Paris or Carentan Causeway against beginners, for example.) Or a something about the scenario may be unclear to people.

I would not require people to give their reasons for ratings. Anything that makes it more time-consuming to give feedback will just cause fewer people to give feedback.

I'm wondering whether some of those "1 star, no comment" ratings might have been given to scenario you've composed. If so, Szili, welcome that as a gift. And if you wish, you might even PM the person and say, "I notice that you didn't seem to like my scenario, The Battle of Such-and-such. Do you have any suggestions on how I could make it better?"
      
nemesszili
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Re:Request for constructive critics Wed, 16 June 2010 14:05
Luckily, I didn't receive any ratings like this one. But what if some guys just down-rate others' scenarios only to make theirs even more valuable (there is no logic, I know...)? And what if this isn't the first 1-star rating of the same user - I've seen a guy giving almost ONLY 1-star rating to 'annoy' scenario designers. Is this fair, is this encouraging?

I understand what means a negative critic WITH comments - he/she should post this when posting the rating, and NOT as an answer to PMs. Negative critics point out some flaws of the scenario, which should be corrected - and that is a very good thing, as this is the only way to improve our skills of scenario designing.
      
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Re:Request for constructive critics Wed, 16 June 2010 16:38
I have experienced the bad side of ratings directly and would pass on to you folks what I learned from it.

DoW had picked my Battle of the Bridgehead scenario to become 'official' and Mr. Borg gave it the once over. I was delighted. Not long after a fellow new to the forums decided to rate it a 1 star with little more comment than it didn't deserve to be 'official' because it was nothing special.

I admit, the rating and the comment irked me partly because it seemed so off handed. So I sent him an email asking why and (here is where I was at fault) what qualified him to do so.

I had set off a firestorm.

He revised his comment to something extremely scathing (which had to be censored to the current comment...it was pretty bad). He also went on to rate all of my scenarios at the time with a 1 star, all with quite nasty comments.

Not what I had intended at all, nor was it proportionate to anything I had said to him.
I was hoping to get a reason from him but it seems that some people are simply unreasonable.

So my lesson was....take the ratings with a grain of salt. Over time, enough people will play and let you know the real worth of what you have done or what needs to be fixed (I had to revise Disaster at Dieppe a few times to really make it playable, thanks to all of the comments and ratings posted).

Any rating, even a 1 star is better than no rating. At least it means people are looking and perhaps playing what you have made.

Personally, I don't look for ratings anymore (though thanks to those who do take the time to rate...and a big thank you for those who post comments, those really help!). What I do is write a scenario that interests me. If other's like it, bonus! If others hate it, what does it matter, as long as I am happy with it and it plays well enough for me.

Anyway, a little long winded but I thought I would comment here and again get a chance to thank those who have taken the time to rate and comment, for good or bad.

(ps - it is interesting to note that the Battle of the Bridgehead scenario has stood the test of time and has been favored by players for it's balance and as an introductory scenario...so much for the 1 star ratings there.)
      
nemesszili
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Re:Request for constructive critics Wed, 16 June 2010 16:58
The reason why I opened this topic was, that when I looked today at the SFTF, I've seen 3 scenarios with 1 star, one from a guy who has just posted his brand new scenario; and I wondered, why did he so... One more thing: I still feel luckier than those who had received 1-star ratings for their scenarios for unknown reasons.
And the problem is, that if you receive a 1-star rating, that doesn't mean that people look at your scenarios.

About your scenario, Malcolm: I've played it quite a few times, and I found it one of the most balanced scenarios ever! I have no idea why did that guy rate the scenario that way...
      
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Re:Request for constructive critics Wed, 16 June 2010 17:33
nemesszili wrote on Wed, 16 June 2010 07:58



About your scenario, Malcolm: I've played it quite a few times, and I found it one of the most balanced scenarios ever! I have no idea why did that guy rate the scenario that way...


Thanks nemesszili for your kind words.

I have no real idea why he did to this day...and I guess that's my point. Some people will simply post 1 star without reason, you just have to go with it.
      
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Re:Request for constructive critics Wed, 16 June 2010 20:26
Don't forget that many battles in WW2 where unbalanced.
And the basic off the game is that you play your opponent as allies and as axis and this makes it always even.
For me i prefer them to be historically correct, rather then if they get a rating.
But my respect for what Malcolm has done for the Memoir'44 community.
      
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Re:Request for constructive critics Thu, 17 June 2010 04:00
JJAZ wrote on Wed, 16 June 2010 11:26


For me i prefer them to be historically correct, rather then if they get a rating.


Me too! Very Happy

JJAZ wrote on Wed, 16 June 2010 11:26


But my respect for what Malcolm has done for the Memoir'44 community.


Thanks JJAZ, I appreciate that. You guys are such a great community!
      
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Re:Request for constructive critics Thu, 17 June 2010 04:41
If you look at Amazon ratings before you buy a book you will notice similar patterns and they are fascinating to try to understand. Sometimes the written words help, sometimes not. You do usually get more out of the written comments than from the rating itself.

Bill
      
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Re:Request for constructive critics Thu, 17 June 2010 10:07
on the subject of ratings, does it strike anyone as at all odd, that if you sort scenarios by ratings, it doesn't take any account of how many ratings there have been?

so a scenario that one person has rated as 3 star could potentially be listed ahead of one given 3 star ratings by a dozen or more people.

Would this be the sort of thing that could be changed? should it?
      
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Re:Request for constructive critics Sat, 19 June 2010 10:55
Personally I'm very grateful to those who do write scenarios because I'd find them difficult to do. I actually enjoying proving written comments and feel it's the least I can do to repay their time in producing and testing the scenario.

When I first started playing M '44 I was guided by the star ratings when chosing from SFTF but now, with so many to choose from, I look for authors whom I know from experience produce very good scenarios - note, not necessarily balanced scenarios.

I hope scenario writters aren't put off by some thoughtless rating.
      
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Re:Request for constructive critics Fri, 25 June 2010 19:51
As a player, when choosing a scenario, I am only influenced by ratings if there are more than 20 of them.
      
    
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