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Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Tue, 13 July 2010 12:40
In the upcoming battle map expansion the above two miniatures will be included as can be read in another thread. It's of course interesting to speculate on what they might do. Here are some possibilities (I'm assuming they will be entirely different as both vehicles are hardly comparable):

Sdkfz 250 option 1:One of these figurines is placed with certain infantry units, similar to the AT guns in the Mediterranean expansion. It increases the speed of the unit to 0-2 and battle or 3 and no battle. The unit battles at 3-2-2.It is hit on tanks and grenades.The figure is removed when the last infantry piece making up the unit is removed. The figure itself does not provide an additional medal.

Option 2: The half tracks are independent units. The number of vehicles a unit is made up of, depends on the scenario (similar to supply trucks). Otherwise same as above.

Jeep: If placed with unit, gives speed bonus. If not placed with unit, fast moving infantry.
      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Wed, 14 July 2010 12:55
Hmm, 45 views and not a single reply. Either that means everyone agrees with my assessment or no one is interested in what these new units do... Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Wed, 14 July 2010 13:16
ECHO Shocked

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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Wed, 14 July 2010 13:18
Or we can discuss it for two months and then DOW will tell us when they release the product.

Been there! Laughing Laughing

Nothing lost in waiting. However, you may develop your own house rules anytime.

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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Wed, 14 July 2010 15:02
I guess you start with the job the actual unit performs, apply to existing rules or then create a new rule.

Both units offer mobility but I don't see the jeep as being involved in combat. Perhaps an 'spotter' role with the BEL card? The half-track could add Close Combat support to an infantry unit through 4-2-1 for infantry is too powerful.

It's hard to create rules and feel for new units, rather than simplying applying existing rules e.g. Cavalry rules for jeeps, but without the Armour Overun. However, DoW always seem to achieve this!

I'm really looking forward to this expansion, but I'll wait for it to appear on the UK shops rather than pre-order direct.
      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Wed, 14 July 2010 18:53
Some of us have been using Half-Track minis to mark elite units, like PanzerGrenadiers. Those that may move 2 and combat.
      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Wed, 14 July 2010 19:57
So did I. But they weren't functioning like a separate unit, with only half track figures, but added 1 figure for each elite unit.
      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Thu, 15 July 2010 03:46
Maybe they will work like my house rules transports, Move infantry three and not battle (as they have to dismount).

      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Thu, 15 July 2010 07:03
red_zebra wrote on Wed, 14 July 2010 18:53

Some of us have been using Half-Track minis to mark elite units, like PanzerGrenadiers. Those that may move 2 and combat.


Although I've been tempted to do that do, I didn't because in memoir those units don't only represent mechanized infantry, but also commandos,Rangers,paratroopers etc. I therefore don't think these new units will simply be a visual upgrade for the existing elite (infantry) units. Alos, there's no equivalent Allied unit (yet).
      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Thu, 15 July 2010 23:40
Halftrack??? well could be a lot of things...

mobile sandbag so infantry can ignore first flag ????

move 3 fire 321 ????

add movement bonus to infantry ????

add 1 die to fire power or cause hits on stars ????

add a fig to a 4 unit infantry and let them move 2 and fight or move 3 and not? ???

lots of things it could be... But we will know sooner than next year.... and way sooner than M44 online...






      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Fri, 16 July 2010 00:39
Jeeps: Were used as ambulances. If a inf. unit has lost at least 2 figures, the jeep goes to the hex of the inf. unit, picks up 1 fig. If the jeep can make it back to a hospital hex without being hit with a star die roll, then 1 fig. is added to that inf, unit. Inf. unit cannot gain more than it started with.
Half-tracks: Could fitted with a recoiless rifle (anti-tank). Move and shoot like a tank unit, could also be used against inf. and art.
Back to jeeps: There would have tobe at least two figs. removed from the inf. unit, that's where the jeep would get the one fig. I had not put this part in the top section.

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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Fri, 16 July 2010 18:35
Randwulf wrote on Thu, 15 July 2010 23:40

Halftrack??? well could be a lot of things...

mobile sandbag so infantry can ignore first flag ????

move 3 fire 321 ????

add movement bonus to infantry ????

add 1 die to fire power or cause hits on stars ????

add a fig to a 4 unit infantry and let them move 2 and fight or move 3 and not? ???

lots of things it could be... But we will know sooner than next year.... and way sooner than M44 online...









I actually like your first suggestion (ignore a(n) (additional) flag. A very simple, but handy addition. Then again, I don't really see this working against attacks from tanks. Infantry yes..
      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Fri, 16 July 2010 20:37
Jeeps...

Since they're likely used in the Tobruk battle map, they are probably invincible, like the jeep units in the old TV show "Rat Patrol". The jeep units will be able to move around the board at top speed destroying any Axis unit it comes in contact with and utterly humiliating the Axis player. However, when it attacks the Axis HQ unit, it too is invincible and always replenishes its forces for the next encounter with the Rat Patrol. Laughing
      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Fri, 16 July 2010 20:57
Lots of good things happen in our old favorite tv shows. Laughing
      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Fri, 16 July 2010 21:00
5 star general wrote on Fri, 16 July 2010 11:57

Lots of good things happen in our old favorite tv shows. Laughing


I always enjoyed how the 'hero' never seemed to run out of ammo and was usually a really good shot! Very Happy It also helps to be driving around in an invincible jeep!! Razz
      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Fri, 16 July 2010 21:14
Or gas, all ways looks cool calm and collected. Never needs water for his crew or jeep, even though their in the desert. Laughing Very Happy
      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Fri, 16 July 2010 21:25
It's starting to really sound like I'm going to want to play with the Jeeps on my side of the board!! Laughing

No matter what the official rules are, it sounds like players have some great ideas here for House Rules...and once you have the minis in your collection there's no end to the fun you can have with all these great ideas. I'm in the presence of such creative minds! Smile
      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Sat, 17 July 2010 02:00
I have noticed that these are German half-tracks, does anyone know if there will be Allied half-tracks in the future?
      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Sat, 17 July 2010 09:51
5 star general wrote on Sat, 17 July 2010 02:00

I have noticed that these are German half-tracks, does anyone know if there will be Allied half-tracks in the future?


So far the TRUCKS are only Allied...I fear they may be generic units...
      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Sat, 17 July 2010 16:20
player71615 wrote on Sat, 17 July 2010 00:51

5 star general wrote on Sat, 17 July 2010 02:00

I have noticed that these are German half-tracks, does anyone know if there will be Allied half-tracks in the future?


So far the TRUCKS are only Allied...I fear they may be generic units...



The Jeeps look to be Allied as well...but I suspect the Trucks, Jeeps and Half-tracks all represent both sides (Axis and Allies). The Tigers look to be only German, however! Very Happy
      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Sat, 17 July 2010 21:04
Unless you want the American "Flying Tigers"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Tigers
      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Sun, 18 July 2010 17:30
Ahh, hey flew the Curtiss P40 Warhawk... one of the first plastic models I ever built as a kid. They have one hanging in the Udvar-Hazy musuem here in N. VA. Whenever I see it, that big-toothed grin gives me a lift.
      
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Re:Now, what do those sdkfz 250s and jeeps do? Sun, 18 July 2010 17:40
oops -- wrong thread...

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