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Nygaard
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"North vs South" Tournament Mon, 07 March 2011 13:36
I'm not really a big boardgamer, so this might be common knowledge - but I wanted to recommend a style of play that I was introduced to while playing Battle Cry (the American Civil War Command&Colors game) at Viking Con in Denmark.

It's basically North vs. South.
You divide your number of players into two groups. One group plays the North (Union) side the other the South (Confederates). And off you go. Now each match is played against one from the opposing group, but you are competing with the others within your own group. This means you can loose a map, say 5-6, but if everybody else in your group ALSO lost the map it doesn't matter, and if you scored more medals than the others in your group you could even be in the lead.
Once a set number of games have been played (preferably all players should have played all players in the opposite group, but time might be a factor here), you find the best player(s) of the North side and the South side. They then face off in a final(s).

One of the main advantages of this system is that you don't need to have perfectly balanced maps, nor do you need to play the same map twice to be fair. This not only mean you get to play several different scenarios, but also that you get to play several opponents. In a tournament situation where you have 4-6 hours this is a huge advantage.
One additional advantage, that I find very interesting, is that you are not in direct competition with the player opposite you - so if he is a great player and wins over you, you find yourself wanting him to do just as well against all of the other opponents he meets - who are in competition with you. I've found this often reduces the aggressivenes of some of the more passionate players.

Replace "North" with Allied, and "South" with Axis and you got a perfect tournament system for Memoir44 Smile

May all your rolls be grenades,
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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Thu, 10 March 2011 12:43
What are the chances of organising this online? 2 teams of 8 on each team, say ? I'd be interested, but not being familiar wit the system, wouldn't want to take on the admin ...

Nygaard, might you be in a position to organise something ? Very Happy
      
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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Thu, 10 March 2011 14:02
i would definitely join too

can I increase the pressure on you, Nygaard? Shocked
      
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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Thu, 10 March 2011 14:38
Count me in... Magnus?? Smile
      
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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Fri, 11 March 2011 05:36
North vs south

Thought for a moment you meant northern hemisphere against southern hemisphere
      
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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Fri, 11 March 2011 11:32
We could do an online tournament I guess... I'll think about how it would work...
      
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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Fri, 11 March 2011 15:32
Nygaard wrote on Fri, 11 March 2011 14:32

We could do an online tournament I guess...


Don't get too excited, now. Very Happy We wouldn't want anyone to get hurt with so much enthusiasm! Razz

In all honesty, though, I'm not sure I would want to try organizing a tournament during the school year because it would take a lot of organizational energy. I think people would understand, Nygaard, if you weren't up for it. Cool
      
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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Fri, 11 March 2011 17:00
rasmussen81 wrote on Fri, 11 March 2011 15:32

Nygaard wrote on Fri, 11 March 2011 14:32

We could do an online tournament I guess...


Don't get too excited, now. Very Happy We wouldn't want anyone to get hurt with so much enthusiasm! Razz

In all honesty, though, I'm not sure I would want to try organizing a tournament during the school year because it would take a lot of organizational energy. I think people would understand, Nygaard, if you weren't up for it. Cool


Yeah - well that was more or less my sentiment, AND I'm in the middle of moving (as per April 1st) so...

Also I'd really like to hear from Marnick and find out what lessons he learned from the M44O King of Beta tournament, before starting a new project.

Magnus
      
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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Fri, 11 March 2011 17:03
OK, I'm not too sure of the logistics, but from what I can see if the tournament was limited to 6 players per side, then I reckon I could manage to organize something myself pretty simply, as a trial.. unless Nygaard desperately wants to take it up !

6 players per side would result in 6 rounds, meaning each player plays each of their opponents once.

Your total medal count over those 6 games will produce a table within your own team ... the highest scoring player going through to the final ..

If I take entrants from the thread here, then once the two teams are decided I'll post a fresh thread whereby we can keep track of the rounds/points scored.

I take it everyone whose commented so far would still be up for inclusion ? Any latecomers?

Once we've reached the magic 12 ... I'll pick the teams, and the 6 scenarios, and orchestrate the rounds from here ... unless Nygaard, you really want to do it Smile
PS No prizes, just good competition and the satisfaction if you win !

Jim
      
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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Fri, 11 March 2011 19:14
Jaykay2010 wrote on Fri, 11 March 2011 17:03

OK, I'm not too sure of the logistics, but from what I can see if the tournament was limited to 6 players per side, then I reckon I could manage to organize something myself pretty simply, as a trial.. unless Nygaard desperately wants to take it up !
(snip)
PS No prizes, just good competition and the satisfaction if you win !

Jim


Fantastic - thanks Jim. Sign me up Smile
I think 6 per side should be a good way to test the system for online play.

Logistically, or rather system-wise, the one thing we should get perfectly clear is the tie-breakers within the pools of players. The first might be "points against" (player A has scored 20-15 and player B has scored 20-16, so player A wins on less points scored against him).

I think it's perfectly fine to do it for no prizes - especially if we do this as a further test of how the community can best organize tournaments.


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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Fri, 11 March 2011 19:24
Nygaard wrote on Fri, 11 March 2011 19:14

Jaykay2010 wrote on Fri, 11 March 2011 17:03

OK, I'm not too sure of the logistics, but from what I can see if the tournament was limited to 6 players per side, then I reckon I could manage to organize something myself pretty simply, as a trial.. unless Nygaard desperately wants to take it up !
(snip)
PS No prizes, just good competition and the satisfaction if you win !

Jim


Fantastic - thanks Jim. Sign me up Smile
I think 6 per side should be a good way to test the system for online play.

Logistically, or rather system-wise, the one thing we should get perfectly clear is the tie-breakers within the pools of players. The first might be "points against" (player A has scored 20-15 and player B has scored 20-16, so player A wins on less points scored against him).

I think it's perfectly fine to do it for no prizes - especially if we do this as a further test of how the community can best organize tournaments.


Magnus




Cool Magnus, I'd be honoured Smile

I think that tie breaker should be what we run with ... unless we get a situation where both players have indentical scores ! Then we'll have to come up with something else.

But for now, lets see who else is interested ...

So that's you, me, Jesse too, presumably, Phread(?), and the others listed above ... who else ... ? Add your name below, and after 12 total entries I'll cook up the sides and fixtures.

Magnus .. if you're moving house on 1st April, we will do ourbest to try and complete the 6 rounds within the month.. Surprised


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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Sat, 12 March 2011 03:26
Count me in. I am here most days (and generally several times/day).

[Updated on: Sun, 13 March 2011 00:41]

      
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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Sat, 12 March 2011 10:43
Great news ...

So that's me, Magnus, Jesse, Phread as definates ...

Any others ???
      
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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Sun, 13 March 2011 17:39
i list myself again
just to make sure Laughing
ive got a irregular time-schedule @ work, so i cant say when im free
but theres a quiet period coming, so ive got a nice amount of free time,
thanx for organizing
Cool
*winning*
      
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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Sun, 13 March 2011 17:52
frankeytje wrote on Sun, 13 March 2011 17:39

i list myself again
just to make sure Laughing
ive got a irregular time-schedule @ work, so i cant say when im free
but theres a quiet period coming, so ive got a nice amount of free time,
thanx for organizing
Cool
*winning*



Thanks Frankeytje ... Assuming Morgiliath is still keen then we have SIX places still available ....

So roll up folks ... let me know if you would like to join ...


essentially you need to commit to playing one game each round, with six rounds, plus a final (if you're the best performer over those six rounds). Ideally if we could run a round every 3 or 4 days-(ish) we could be finished by the end of the month. But we need a further SIX players to enable us to start!!!!

Add your name below, and let's get rolling !! Once we have twelve of us listed, I'll sort out the two teams and the seven scenarios we'll be using ...

Regards
Jim

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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Sun, 13 March 2011 18:27
Count me in.
      
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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Sun, 13 March 2011 18:30
hmmm...I wonder why I'm listed as an American captain on-line, but I'm a Capitano above my achievements. Strange.
      
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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Sun, 13 March 2011 20:22
Guaranteeing a playing time in the last week of the month could be difficult for me as I will be out of town at a conference.

I may be on in the evening - but that would depend on hotel broadband availability.

If this is a problem then count me out.

      
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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Mon, 14 March 2011 12:37
Phread wrote on Sun, 13 March 2011 20:22

Guaranteeing a playing time in the last week of the month could be difficult for me as I will be out of town at a conference.

I may be on in the evening - but that would depend on hotel broadband availability.

If this is a problem then count me out.





That's ok Phread, I'm happy it takes as little or as long as we need ... if it comes to taking a week or so's break by the time we get to the tail end of March then that's fine

Think I might re-thread this discussion later today as 'Axis vs Allies Tournament' to see if that gains a bit more interest ...
      
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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Mon, 14 March 2011 12:52
I'd consider playing, but the fast schedule sounds brutal. Anybody who expects a weekend of unavailability and an opponent across the ocean is excluded.

Once you know who the players on each side will be, why not post a list, for each of the scenarios, of who will play against whom, and set an overall deadline for the entire preliminaty round robin? There's no need to play them in order.
      
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Re:"North vs South" Tournament Mon, 14 March 2011 13:11
That's exactly how I am planning on doing it Sam Smile

... there's no rushed deadline for completing this, I understand peoples lives are filled with all manner of different of priorities, (throw into that the issues of time difference), so if you fancy taking part, don't be put off by the sense of urgency that may have been created .. the only reason there was talk initially of completeing by the end of the month was because Nygaard pointed out he would be moving house on 1st week of April ... but if we end up waiting on results from people and find ourselves playing up till Easter I'm really not at all concerned... it's primarily about having fun, getting some competitive scenarios running, and meeting new people! Please don't be put of by any sense of urgency ...

If you head over to the other thread http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?th=21676&start=0 then you'll see how the format's going to work (looks like you've already got the picture), and as you suggest people will be able to play any of their 6 scenarios in any order they please ... first of all we just need to know the players!

If you're interested, let us know! Smile

[Updated on: Mon, 14 March 2011 13:22]

      
    
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