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Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Tue, 30 August 2011 15:45
Hey Memoir fans,

I was looking through old posts and saw people requesting that the next expansion be a new Army Pack. The two forces that were suggested are a French Army and an Italian Army...

So my question is, what would be unique about these two armies? Would they just be packs of new figures, armor, and artillery? What scenarios would be included with the packs? Rolling Eyes

All ideas and thoughts are welcome! Cool

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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Tue, 30 August 2011 16:17
I actually have little to no interest in another army pack. I already have plenty of figures from the previous expansions -- and there are already rules for the French and Italians in the previous releases.

I would be interested in more overlord maps, but my top priority would be another campaign book and/or more scenarios. The ruleset is big enough as far as I'm concerned and there are plenty of actions in the war that haven't been covered yet. In fact, there are still some rules and terrain from the terrain pack that haven't been utilized.

So -- keep the rules where they are and give us more scenarios/campaigns!

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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Tue, 30 August 2011 17:11
That's sort of my feeling as well, Geoff, but I've heard the call for French or Italian Armies every time we talk about future expansions. It makes me wonder what would be special about these new forces to warrant a whole expansion for them. Rolling Eyes

There must be some creative player out there who has thought about this issue and wants the Army Packs for more than just the figures! Smile
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Tue, 30 August 2011 17:17
gheintze wrote on Tue, 30 August 2011 09:17

I actually have little to no interest in another army pack. I already have plenty of figures from the previous expansions -- and there are already rules for the French and Italians in the previous releases.

I would be interested in more overlord maps, but my top priority would be another campaign book and/or more scenarios. The ruleset is big enough as far as I'm concerned and there are plenty of actions in the war that haven't been covered yet. In fact, there are still some rules and terrain from the terrain pack that haven't been utilized.

So -- keep the rules where they are and give us more scenarios/campaigns!

Geoff


I am in total agreement. I would like to see a Pacific Battlemap, or a Pacific campaign book. Except for some user submitted scenarios, campaigns, and overlord scenarios, this is an overlooked theater by Dow. Oh, I know that there are some official scenarios, but not as many as other theaters in comparison. I would also still like to see a map/battlemap with more ocean for greater ship movement. I know, I've talked about it many times before. I am glad that the breakthrough beach map had an extra line of ocean hexes. What about a battlemap of the early war with French Char B-1 Bis tanks and Panzer I's??

      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Tue, 30 August 2011 17:58
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I am in total agreement. I would like to see a Pacific Battlemap, or a Pacific campaign book. Except for some user submitted scenarios, campaigns, and overlord scenarios, this is an overlooked theater by Dow. Oh, I know that there are some official scenarios, but not as many as other theaters in comparison. I would also still like to see a map/battlemap with more ocean for greater ship movement. I know, I've talked about it many times before. I am glad that the breakthrough beach map had an extra line of ocean hexes. What about a battlemap of the early war with French Char B-1 Bis tanks and Panzer I's??




Absolutely in 100% agreement with your Pacific Theater suggestions! It is the most overlooked theater. I know that part of the problem is that a good chunk of the fighting was over the sea. I would like to see more island battles. I think it would be neat if they could figure out a way to do the sea battles with air support as well like Midway and Coral Sea. Maybe it's not a army pack we need, but maybe a "navy" pack;)

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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Tue, 30 August 2011 18:02
rasmussen81 wrote on Tue, 30 August 2011 16:11

There must be some creative player out there who has thought about this issue and wants the Army Packs for more than just the figures! Smile


Not me - quite simply I just don't like using the US Sherman tanks for the French 1940 scenarios. I already use 1/72 scale French WW1 figures for the infantry.

Same goes with the French Resistance - I use plastic 1/72 civillian partizans rather than GIs and they really add atmosphere, particularly in the Surrender of Elster's Column Breakthrough scenario and Vercors campaign Wink

On a related point, retro-fitting the half-track rules into 1940 scenarios works well and takes away the later war view of heavy German armour.
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 00:16
We need the Italians and French to complete all the major countries in WW2. We need Italy to make all those North Africa battles. The Italians, while poorly equipped, did fight well when led by German leadership. Once Rommell and staff showed up the Italian Ariete,Littorio and Trieste all fought well given the conditions.

Where are the Overlord scenarios? So few official ones, hoping for a great Memoir announcement in the near future. Very Happy
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 01:16
I would like to see a Pack call "Hit the Beach". It would be similar to Winter Wars, but for amphibious assaults. This could cover all fronts, especially the Pacific and would have another deck of specialized combat cards. Maybe even some new pieces. I think this could make a lot of people happy.
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 01:40
Rather then an Army pack , I would like to see what I call a reinforcement pack with models for Tank Destroyers, Mortars, machine guns, Mobile artillery,etc, which you now have to use counters for.
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 07:25
Having expansions to cover the Italian Nd French armies have been on my wish list for some considerable time. I too cannot play scenarios using Shermans as 1940 French tanks or PZkw IVs as Italian tanks. Same applies for the figures.

For me this is all about getting the look right, and as such I consider these expansions to be essential. I do not want to go down the route of using other companies plastic figs as a substitute and in any event I have not seen any company that does plastic tanks or artillery that cover these two nations.

In order to fully round out the M44 packs I strongly feel that expansions covering these two nations are essential. YMMV

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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 08:40
sniperscout wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 09:25

For me this is all about getting the look right, and as such I consider these expansions to be essential. I do not want to go down the route of using other companies plastic figs as a substitute and in any event I have not seen any company that does plastic tanks or artillery that cover these two nations.

In order to fully round out the M44 packs I strongly feel that expansions covering these two nations are essential. YMMV

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Ah, perfect! We have someone who really wants to see these two expansions. Smile To be honest, I don't care too much one way or the other (I will get them if they come out but won't miss them if they don't), however, I'm interested in hearing the opinion of someone who really wants to see a French and Italian Army! Very Happy

DoW always puts out quality products, so I have no doubt that if they made these expansions the figures would be good quality and they would 'round out the M44 packs'. It's not like DoW to just make the figures, though, because that would be reducing them to a model-making company and they are much more than that! So what rules, terrain, boards, or battles would be included in these army packs?

I firmly believe that for it to make sense for DoW to make these, they would need to be more than just miniatures... Rolling Eyes Any ideas?
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 08:47
TMRose 50 wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 01:40

Rather then an Army pack , I would like to see what I call a reinforcement pack with models for Tank Destroyers, Mortars, machine guns, Mobile artillery,etc, which you now have to use counters for.



I'm in Smile. A reinforcement pack would be great.

The pack 'hit the beach' also sounds nice!!
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 08:48
As a figurine nerd, I must completely agree with TMRose50. I would LOVE to have an expansion which would include, say, tank destroyers of four different armies (and colours), AT guns, half-tracks and (to satisfy those who need them) Italian and French tanks.
That would be much nicer than a million of badges and tokens.

I find necessary to say that this is all mainly because I'm SO happy with everything we have in Memoir'44 so far that some such cosmetic stuff would be like a cherry on the top of the already perfect cake Smile
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 09:20
I would be happy to get the equipment pack and reinforcement pack...but to me, it seems like those expansions are reducing Days of Wonder to a simple 'Miniatures Company', when they have so much more to offer as a board game company!

For these 'figure-heavy' expansions to match with the company I know and love, there would have to be new rules provided, new scenarios included, and/or something that improves more than just the aesthetics of the game. Because even if people don't want to, you can usually improve the aesthetics with models from other companies.

What makes Memoir '44 expansions so special is that they are never just plastic figures... Smile So my question still stands...what else could be in the expansions to bring it in line with other M44 expansions we've seen?

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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 09:52
Nordiskanc wrote on Tue, 30 August 2011 23:16

We need the Italians and French to complete all the major countries in WW2. We need Italy to make all those North Africa battles. The Italians, while poorly equipped, did fight well when led by German leadership. Once Rommell and staff showed up the Italian Ariete,Littorio and Trieste all fought well given the conditions.

Where are the Overlord scenarios? So few official ones, hoping for a great Memoir announcement in the near future. Very Happy


In what sense do the French constitute a "major country" in WWII that the Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, Finns etc don't? the late-war Free French are best modelled with American figures/driving M4 Shermans etc. and the FFI and the resistance would be another set of figures again.
The official French Army did too little fighting and looked too different from its various successors for a 'French Army pack' to make much sense.
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 10:23
Mighty Jim 83 wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 09:52

Nordiskanc wrote on Tue, 30 August 2011 23:16

We need the Italians and French to complete all the major countries in WW2. We need Italy to make all those North Africa battles. The Italians, while poorly equipped, did fight well when led by German leadership. Once Rommell and staff showed up the Italian Ariete,Littorio and Trieste all fought well given the conditions.

Where are the Overlord scenarios? So few official ones, hoping for a great Memoir announcement in the near future. Very Happy


In what sense do the French constitute a "major country" in WWII that the Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, Finns etc don't? the late-war Free French are best modelled with American figures/driving M4 Shermans etc. and the FFI and the resistance would be another set of figures again.
The official French Army did too little fighting and looked too different from its various successors for a 'French Army pack' to make much sense.


Despite being both a francophone and francophile I have to agree. If anything the Italians did have some much more distinct(who said "silly"?) outfits.

I think this has been suggested somewhere before by someone else, but...
Instead of an "army pack" couldn't it be fun with an "equipment pack"? Light tanks for both axis and allies - heavy ones for the Russians and allies (the Germans got their Tigers), Mortars and Machine Guns (a la the little plastic RPGs from Med.), and perhaps some more 3d terrain (bunkers, gun emplacements, dragon teeth, road blocks, etc).
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 11:28
I agree with rasmussen81 that an expansion should have more than just figures, terrain and cards.

What scenarios - standard, overlord, and breakthrough - what new rules (if any) should a new expansion bring?

We have been promised the "Invasion of Crete" scenarios as released at the WBC.

What else would/should there be?

A Pacific campaign? A Manchurian campaign?
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 15:21
Nygaard wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 12:23

I think this has been suggested somewhere before by someone else, but...
Instead of an "army pack" couldn't it be fun with an "equipment pack"? Light tanks for both axis and allies - heavy ones for the Russians and allies (the Germans got their Tigers), Mortars and Machine Guns (a la the little plastic RPGs from Med.), and perhaps some more 3d terrain (bunkers, gun emplacements, dragon teeth, road blocks, etc).



Yes, the 'equipment pack' idea was suggested earlier in this thread. Razz

I like the theory behind the equipment pack (although I found that putting the RPG model in a hex with 4 other figures was too crowded and I prefer the badges) but I keep coming back to the fact that DoW is not a figure-making company. They're a game company and their games include figures. Confused

So even the equipment pack, in my mind, would need to include more than just figures and models... Cool The question is, what else could be included in that expansion?
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 16:42
TMRose 50 wrote on Tue, 30 August 2011 19:40

Rather then an Army pack , I would like to see what I call a reinforcement pack with models for Tank Destroyers, Mortars, machine guns, Mobile artillery,etc, which you now have to use counters for.




Agreed. I've been lobbying for one of these for a long time.

      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 16:57
rasmussen81 wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 15:21

(snip)
Yes, the 'equipment pack' idea was suggested earlier in this thread. Razz
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 17:14
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rasmussen81 wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 15:21

(snip)
Yes, the 'equipment pack' idea was suggested earlier in this thread. Razz
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 18:02
Desert wars would work for me. (or dessert wars as my original spelling was written before i spotted it Laughing
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Love to see more scenarios and tiles for the North Africa campaigns. This could be tied into a new campaign book, as well as support packs tailored to various theatres of war. These could have more tank variants, artillery, supply trucks, half tracks (useful if infact tigers hedgrow hel etc will eventually go out of print) infact allsorts of equipment pieces to go with them as suggested by others in the thread.

Maybe make an expansion called Tanktastic ok my enthusiasm for tanks is maybe a bridge to far Razz Laughing

And Memoir 39 box game as previously mentioned on the forums would be a nice way to get the required overlord setup boards whilst owning 2 seperate versions of the game. (this would make justifying the expensive to my wife a little easier Razz Laughing )

The French force could be included in this base game variant or maybe an english force, where the soldiers have long pants and don't look like yellow US marines Smile

Packs for the Italians and French would be nice too as well as the Commonwealth forces and partizans and resistance and and and err I better stop now Smile Smile
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 20:24
Think about it. I beleive Memoir '44 was launched to mark a D-Day anniversary. So the clue for the next expansion could be in "what happened in the Autumn / Winter of 1941?".

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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 21:17
I fully appreciate and respect all the views made on this topic. For me however the fact that M44 uses minis is key to my enjoyment. For instance if the game used cardboard counters or wooden blocks (like C&C Ancients for example) then I would not have purchased the game, despite the excellent game mechanics. I understand the desire not to see DOW become just another Miniatures Company but I do not feel that this would be the outcome if further army packs were released.

To take the above point further, I recall that there was a high level of desire in seeing a British Army pack. Whilst the French and Italian armies may not be considered as key as the British one, there are still campaigns and battles published where these armies feature. We have the1940's Low Countries battles in the campaign book. I find it difficult to play the battles in this one without having an official set of French army figures, tanks etc. If the rules already exist for say the Italian army, why not release official figs etc ?f

In summary for me the look of the game is a key aspect and having the correct official figures is important.

As for an equipment expansion, I would also like to see this as well.

Great topic ! thanks to Rasmussen81 for starting this one!

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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 21:29
sniperscout wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 23:17

I fully appreciate and respect all the views made on this topic. For me however the fact that M44 uses minis is key to my enjoyment. For instance if the game used cardboard counters or wooden blocks (like C&C Ancients for example) then I would not have purchased the game, despite the excellent game mechanics.


I agree completely! I think that if Memoir '44 just used wood blocks or cardboard, I wouldn't have been as drawn to it...there's something about getting to play with the little plastic men!! Very Happy It's part of the draw for many people, I think.

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I understand the desire not to see DOW become just another Miniatures Company but I do not feel that this would be the outcome if further army packs were released.


True, there's not much danger of them becoming a Miniatures Company. I think my main point is that if people just want to have the figures, they can get those from a company that specializes in miniatures. I'm wondering what people think could set the DoW set of figures appart from another company...what else would DoW provide in the expansion that would add more to Memoir '44 than just figures?

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To take the above point further, I recall that there was a high level of desire in seeing a British Army pack. Whilst the French and Italian armies may not be considered as key as the British one, there are still campaigns and battles published where these armies feature. We have the1940's Low Countries battles in the campaign book. I find it difficult to play the battles in this one without having an official set of French army figures, tanks etc. If the rules already exist for say the Italian army, why not release official figs etc ?f


I suspect this is a common view point and I understand what you're saying. If DoW did come out with the French or Italian army, I would be one of the first in line to pick it up because I agree that those battles would look better with an army of soldiers that look like the country they represent. What new terrain, rules, or battles could also be included in the Army Packs?

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Great topic ! thanks to Rasmussen81 for starting this one!

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My pleasure, Mark! I'm eager to hear more ideas and more thoughts on this topic, if you or anyone else wants to share!! Cool
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 21:35
I agree that although it is purely an aesthetic thing one of the things my son and I really enjoy about the game is watching it come alive with the miniatures. When playing with scenarios involving the Italians I use the Japanese tanks, they look at least a little like the Italian made M13/15 class. I am thinking about ordering some 1:72 Italians infantry from Airfix but I would love to see modeled 88's, mortars, tank destroyers, light tanks etc.. Maybe even some rules to differentiate the classes of artillery and tanks (ranges for 75mm vs 105mm artillery vs 155mm) or maybe effects like the 155's can fire air bursts that damage multiple units while the 105's can coordinate TOT for a single mass attack by multiple guns.
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 22:05
it is true of course that figures from another company could be used. However if you take the Airfix/Hat Italiian figs as an example you would need to buy multiple packs to get all of the figures in the same pose. I accept that some (most?) people would not be worried about this, but it would matter to me.

Also, using the example above, the figures are more flimsy than those produced by DOW and the bases are less stable. Small issues perhaps but again important ones for me personally.

Even if I could accept, say, the Airfix Italians, there would still be the problem of the tanks and artillery. I know of no company that produces these in plastic and I would not want to mix plastic and metal pieces on the same board (my painting skills are not up to painting either plastic minis or metal ones!) and bare metal just does not look right.

Plastic figs take me right back to my childhood and I feel this fits with the DOW ethos of a sence of wonder right out of the box.

You can tell that this is a subject that engages me, it is the first time I have posted three times on the same topic!
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 22:10
DarkOverlord6 wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 23:35

I agree that although it is purely an aesthetic thing one of the things my son and I really enjoy about the game is watching it come alive with the miniatures. When playing with scenarios involving the Italians I use the Japanese tanks, they look at least a little like the Italian made M13/15 class. I am thinking about ordering some 1:72 Italians infantry from Airfix but I would love to see modeled 88's, mortars, tank destroyers, light tanks etc.. Maybe even some rules to differentiate the classes of artillery and tanks (ranges for 75mm vs 105mm artillery vs 155mm) or maybe effects like the 155's can fire air bursts that damage multiple units while the 105's can coordinate TOT for a single mass attack by multiple guns.


Ah, we have a player who likes the more 'complicated' side of things!! Very Happy

You might enjoy a few different resources that are already available...

1. Variants - this section of my User Page has different House Rules for other units, interesting weather, and a daylight cycle that takes you through a whole day instead of just dawn.

2. 50th's House Rules - this includes a chart with lots of House Rule units.

There might be more House Rules out there, but these could help you amp up the difficulty of your battles. Have fun!! Cool
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 22:18
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Even if I could accept, say, the Airfix Italians, there would still be the problem of the tanks and artillery. I know of no company that produces these in plastic and I would not want to mix plastic and metal pieces on the same board (my painting skills are not up to painting either plastic minis or metal ones!) and bare metal just does not look right.


I agree that piecing together an Italian or French Army from other companies is not ideal and would add up to a lot of money! I have a few sets of miniatures that I painted to add enjoyment to my battles but the cost for the soldiers adds up...plus you still need the armor and artillery!

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Plastic figs take me right back to my childhood and I feel this fits with the DOW ethos of a sence of wonder right out of the box.


It does make an impressive sight with all the forces set up and ready to battle!! There's something so fun about getting a good battle set...it's part of what makes this game so much fun to play (along with the great rules, the strong historical content, the social aspect, and the tactical challenges)!! Smile

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You can tell that this is a subject that engages me, it is the first time I have posted three times on the same topic!


Wow, I'm glad to have found something so interesting to you! So while I have you hooked, let me ask you this...to give each expansion more 'bang for its buck', what would you like to see along with the Italian Army figures? What would you want to see in the box with the British Army figures? Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 23:03
To be honest I would be happy with just the figs, armour and arty! However how about the one or more of the following:

An appropriate aircraft and stand

With the air pack not being reissued, how about including the hex tiles that were included with this expansion (this may have been done already with WW but I have stored all my tiles together so I cannot recall if this is the case or not)

Scenario booklet as usual

Hex tiles and terrain cards for terrain appropriate to say Ethiopa so that scenarios could cover this campaign with bespoke terrain tiles

Unit badges to cover Italian colonial units and militia units

That's all I can think of at present but if anything comes to mind later I will add to the list

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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 23:20
Wonderful! That's the kind of thing I was looking for, Mark, and they're all good ideas. If an Italian Army pack came out with some of those things, I would definitely want to get it!

It might help that you suggested tiles that would apply to Ethiopia and I spent 6 years growing up there, so I have a soft spot for the country... Razz Laughing

Good ideas and thanks for sharing! Anyone else? What would the French Army Pack include that we don't have yet? Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Wed, 31 August 2011 23:33
rasmussen81 wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 22:20

What would the French Army Pack include that we don't have yet? Rolling Eyes


I wonder whether, with the exception of more Pacific Overlords, Breakthroughs and Campaigns, Memoir now effectively covers WW2 and there will be no more expansions as we know them.

The Vercors, Audie Murphy and forthcoming Crete mini-campaigns can be offered as a download and this may be the one area to continue to expand.

We already have a debate about too many specialist unit rules and terrain types which detract from the game's simplicity and playability. Another expansion with the customary new rules and additional terrain would add to this division.

Jesse is right. Figures apart, what's still missing?

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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Thu, 01 September 2011 01:35
Mighty Jim 83 wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 03:52

Nordiskanc wrote on Tue, 30 August 2011 23:16

We need the Italians and French to complete all the major countries in WW2. We need Italy to make all those North Africa battles. The Italians, while poorly equipped, did fight well when led by German leadership. Once Rommell and staff showed up the Italian Ariete,Littorio and Trieste all fought well given the conditions.

Where are the Overlord scenarios? So few official ones, hoping for a great Memoir announcement in the near future. Very Happy


In what sense do the French constitute a "major country" in WWII that the Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, Finns etc don't? the late-war Free French are best modelled with American figures/driving M4 Shermans etc. and the FFI and the resistance would be another set of figures again.
The official French Army did too little fighting and looked too different from its various successors for a 'French Army pack' to make much sense.



The French were one of the occupying nations of Germany at the end of WW2. Major wargames (such as GMT games and the late Avalon Hill games) often have France as one of the major allied powers. I would think an Italian would take precedent over the French, but that is just my opinion.
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Thu, 01 September 2011 03:54
rasmussen81 wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 15:10

DarkOverlord6 wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 23:35

I agree that although it is purely an aesthetic thing one of the things my son and I really enjoy about the game is watching it come alive with the miniatures. When playing with scenarios involving the Italians I use the Japanese tanks, they look at least a little like the Italian made M13/15 class. I am thinking about ordering some 1:72 Italians infantry from Airfix but I would love to see modeled 88's, mortars, tank destroyers, light tanks etc.. Maybe even some rules to differentiate the classes of artillery and tanks (ranges for 75mm vs 105mm artillery vs 155mm) or maybe effects like the 155's can fire air bursts that damage multiple units while the 105's can coordinate TOT for a single mass attack by multiple guns.


Ah, we have a player who likes the more 'complicated' side of things!! Very Happy

You might enjoy a few different resources that are already available...

1. Variants - this section of my User Page has different House Rules for other units, interesting weather, and a daylight cycle that takes you through a whole day instead of just dawn.

2. 50th's House Rules - this includes a chart with lots of House Rule units.

There might be more House Rules out there, but these could help you amp up the difficulty of your battles. Have fun!! Cool


Not to mention rules for light tanks available here:
http://cdn.daysofwonder.com/uploads/userpages/272628/_4276.p df

House Rules Tiger Tanks available here:
http://cdn.daysofwonder.com/uploads/userpages/272628/_3585.p df

and King-tiger or Tiger II available here:
http://cdn.daysofwonder.com/uploads/userpages/272628/_4495.p df

Check out other charts and my own Air Unit Rules on my user page.
You can buy miniatures from ebay. I bought some that were from the Tide of Iron game on ebay.
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Thu, 01 September 2011 15:45
rasmussen81 wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 15:21


I like the theory behind the equipment pack (although I found that putting the RPG model in a hex with 4 other figures was too crowded and I prefer the badges)



You could use the RPG model as 4th (and last) figure instead of as 5th. In this way it becomes less crowded.
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Thu, 01 September 2011 17:10
Banor58 wrote on Tue, 30 August 2011 19:16

I would like to see a Pack call "Hit the Beach". It would be similar to Winter Wars, but for amphibious assaults. This could cover all fronts, especially the Pacific and would have another deck of specialized combat cards. Maybe even some new pieces. I think this could make a lot of people happy.
Banor

This is a solid idea. I like the winter wars cards and urban combat cards. They add a nice new element to the game (though the sets are a little too similar). Another themed deck would be a welcome addition to the game.

Like others here, I'd welcome a new army pack, but my desires/priorities are elsewhere. New equipment is my dream item. Proper pieces for other vehicles, special troops, etc., with scenarios to take advantage of them. That's my wish list expansion.
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Thu, 01 September 2011 18:10
Shoegaze99 wrote on Thu, 01 September 2011 11:10



Like others here, I'd welcome a new army pack, but my desires/priorities are elsewhere. New equipment is my dream item. Proper pieces for other vehicles, special troops, etc., with scenarios to take advantage of them. That's my wish list expansion.


You can do both -- why not an Italian army pack that comes with a deck for mountain fighting? The deck could apply not only to the bloody mountain fighting up the Italian peninsula, but to late-war fighting in the Pacific, as well, at places like Iwo and Okinawa.
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Thu, 01 September 2011 18:29
Short answer: We need French and Italians figures (and finish sky troops!) for the same reason we bought the desert/winter board! Coolness! Cool

Playing France 40 with Shermans and GI just looks ugly!!! Sad

I have been hoping for French & Italian army expansions for a long time, I stopped after the British helmet debacle Laughing

About the French, wrote this in 2006!

"France 39-40, really France 40, as nothing really happened during the << Drôle de guerre >> : a couple of month of furious and desperate battles, and the Alps defence against the Italians
How many scenarios?
The battle of Sainte-Menehould, the De Gaulle counter attack, the Weygand line defence, something in the Alps, rear guard action at Dunkerque, maybe some action in Narvik. . .
French infantry in french uniforms, similar to WWI
Somua S-35 tanks (leave the Char B to grognards that want special tanks for the elite units. . . like me)
The 75mm gun.
Then, the "Forces Françaises Libres" get equipped by the British, and fight with them against Vichy government in Syrie (french equipment) and latter against the Germans and Italians: Bir Hakeim
After operation Torch, the French African troops fought alongside the Allies using the french uniform for the last time
After that, the french forces got american equipment . . . "

We already have Italians national rules, some scenarios for them, no figures (but Japanese do a good job representing them).

We have more France 40 scenarios (including Overlord and Breakthrough!), Resistance national rule and no figures.
I do not think a national rule is needed. French lost by bad generalship, easily represented by getting less command cards...or maybe a rule like: "cannot order armor and infantry with the same card" to represent the fact they had no idea how to coordinate armor with infantry.
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Thu, 01 September 2011 20:44
How about some generic "irregular" units? To represent Partisans, Resistance, Chinese Communists, lightly armed units, etc? Perhaps some bloke in a coat and a cap with a pistol... Smile
      
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Re:Why do you want to see a new Army Pack? Thu, 01 September 2011 22:06
Red Zebra comments about the French Army coincides with mine. As well as Operation Torch, a French Army pack could also be used for the Italian Campaign. The French Expeditionary Force in Italy still used the old style Adrian helmet (particularly the colonial units). A French Army pack could include an aircraft, badges for the colonial units and scenarios covering North Africa and Italy.

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