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  The Nations Cup Sun, 10 July 2005 22:32
As most of you know, English is not my native language, but I'm sure you'll understand the following. If for any reason not, PM me and I'll gladly explain or translate. Jeg taler også Dansk! Laughing

In many sports, representing ones country is the most glorious thing to achieve - think of the Olympics, the Davis Cup or the Football World Cup (for our neighbours on the other side of the Atlantic: I mean the game with the round ball) Smile.

With Ticket to Ride being one of the greatest sports of all times Wink, I think it is high time to have our own Nations Cup.

Here is my plan: Each team has players of the same nationality. Under his sole discretion the TD may grant international teams. The teams play against one another to decide who is the best TTR nation.

An example with 8 teams divided into 2 groups:

Group A Group B

USA I aka the Dream Team Team Orange (Nederland)
la douce France the Suomi gentlemen
the Suomi ladies USA II
The Alps (Österreich/Helvetia) Die Deutsche Mannschaft

In each group, we will have a round robin, so all competitors play against one another once. Every team consists of at least
four players. If there are more, the team captain decides every match which four will be playing.

Let's assume the first matches in Group A will be USA-France and
Suomi-Alps. Before the match, the tournament director (TD) pairs the 8 players according to their ranking. For example, Jac_ plays Anu_and let's say Jac_ turns out to be the winner this time (sorry Anu_, it is just an example Smile), the result being 3-4 (best-of-seven). Let's assume the other games for this match result in 4-0, 1-4, and 2-4. Then, after the first round, assuming USA-France remains undecided (4-2, 1-4, 1-4, 4-3), the scores in this group will be:

Group A

1. The Alps 3 (12-10)
2. la douce France 2 (13-10)
3. The Dream Team 2 (10-13)
4. The Suomi Ladies 1 (10-12)

After 3 rounds both groups have a first and second place. Then we have cross finals. That means First of group A plays second of group B and vice versa. The winners play the final.

Some additional rules:

- One week per match (yes redPEPPER, I learnt from the other tournaments Smile)
- Semi-finals and finals will be best-of-9
- Every team will have a captain who communicates directly to the TD on tournament matters, such as which players will play, the results, scheduling problems etcetera.
- The TD (non-playing) will make all the decisions during the tournament and I will not allow a protest board Laughing
- Together with the TD I will set a date (probably the end of August) until which teams can join the tournament (to all captains: please complete your team before you subscribe it to the TD).
- I don't see a need to maximize the number of teams. 7 or 11 teams would be hard to schedule, but I'm sure we'll find a way.
- I will be the captain of Team Orange Smile
- I would like to advice captains to form teams of at least 5 people so we won't have problems with scheduling when someone is on holidays.

Some questions (for the ones who are still reading Laughing):

- Do you like this idea?
- Do you have any suggestions?
- Rode Katers, D.I.S., would you join my team? Can a fourth (and
fifth) ambitious Dutchie who wants to join send me a PM?
- tjandjahall, would you like to be our TD?

As a final note, I hope you like this idea as much as I do. Joe
Average can join Smile, top players can play other top players, and I'm sure some spicy nationalism will ensure exciting and close matches.

I'm looking forward to meet you all in the tournament! Very Happy

cu soon, bas
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 03:33
What? There's not Canada?? Well, it's a nice idea Bassie!

Scrat7

[Updated on: Sat, 23 July 2005 02:39]

      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 03:55
This is a great idea Bassie! For a small country you would start off with a pretty good Dutch team with the three of you and adding one more. As for Americans, I took a look and was surprised by how few there were in the top 50. Excluding msande75 who plays multiplayer, there are only 5, 4 of whom participate in the forums and would see this: thekid, br'er/fond, ElSoyo, and myself. From what I know about them I would imagine all those folks would be up to the idea if they have time. (????)

If Rek can't find any other Canadians who play TTR up there in the frozen tundra where the reindeer graze he could probably take everyone on and win, but if he wanted teammates he could join the Americans or another country. Laughing

The real question is who would represent the Germans, who are very well represented in the top 40 with at least half the spots and probably more. Raz and Osamu are the highest ranked, but there are many other excellent German players who I imagine would be chomping at the bit at this opportunity. Cool

Finland would also do well, but that goes without saying... Wink

Poor Yaron... any more Israeli players? Maybe he could team up with Australia (Plcrams) and neutral Switzerland, current home of our Cinderella Jac.

France would also do OK. I'm sure Lea and Buzzcocks can come up with some players.

This might be interesting!


Best,
SKM
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 04:25
I have searched and there's at least 4 canadians in top 100 : Rek, Hugo22, Hawaienne and LE Jean Coutu...

SKMorefield écrit le Sun, 10 July 2005 21:55



If Rek can't find any other Canadians who play TTR up there in the frozen tundra where the reindeer graze he could probably take everyone on and win, but if he wanted teammates he could join the Americans or another country. Laughing




There's not a lot of tundra in Canada... Rolling Eyes

[Updated on: Thu, 28 July 2005 19:41]

      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 08:46
DEAR SKM

you are forgetting that I and my son are canadians too!!!!!!!Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

yours cindarella!!! Wink King
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 08:50
Dear Bas,

this is finally a wonderful idea!

A thread with some thouhgts behind it Wink!!!!!! Thank you for all the work you put into this.


AND YES I AM ALL FOR IT.


Post it in the German thread too!!!!!!

ttfn Jac


      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 08:56
I will be holding off on accepting or declining the request that I direct this tournament until after the Open Tournament is concluded and I have had a chance to present some commentary on difficulties encountered during the Open Tournament and ideas I have for reducing such problems in the future. (It would, of course, be quite inappropriate for me to post concerning that before the conclusion of the tournament.)

Might I ask, why divide the teams into two groups? Unless you get quite a number of teams - more than I would expect - you should be able to run the whole tournament as a round robin. If you really want a finals match, you just play off the top two teams from the round robin. For up to about eight teams or so, a complete round robin shouldn't take too long to run.
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 10:19
SKMorefield wrote on Mon, 11 July 2005 04:55

Finland would also do well, but that goes without saying... Wink

Thank you SKM Smile I, Anu_ and Wuonex are in the finnish team, but I don't know anymore finnish players who play 2-player games. I think webcard is required, isn't it? My husband won't play and he and the husband of Anu doesn't have a webcard anyway. But we are looking for the 4th player and we are sure we get a team.
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 10:31
And we would love to get tjandjahall as a tournament director. We appriciate his skills.
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 10:43
pilke écrit le Mon, 11 July 2005 10:31

And we would love to get tjandjahall as a tournament director. We appriciate his skills.


who is that "we" ? you speak for yourself !


I'm not surprised you add this PM, but you don't Know his skills !

Speak of what you know please !

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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 11:09
léachris wrote on Mon, 11 July 2005 11:43

who is that "we" ? you speak for yourself !


I mean the team I represent, the finnish team. We appreciate tjandjahall.
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 13:46
Jac_ écrit le Mon, 11 July 2005 02:46

DEAR SKM

you are forgetting that I and my son are canadians too!!!!!!!Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

yours cindarella!!! Wink King


So, if you are going to join the Nation Cup, are you going to play with Canada (if finnish women and finnish men want to join them togheter), we'll probably need your help???
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 13:57
Dear LE Jean Coutu!!!! (are frenchCanadians also true Canadians) Shocked Shocked Shocked



but of course!
The only true nation! Very Happy
To be playing for!

And don't underestimate my son! He is a strong player too. Cool Smug

And Changedgirl a very strong Canadian Player. So if she, you, rek, chrigu and I.... hmmmm what a killer TEAM! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil



Jac

p.s. so rek, changedgirl,chrigu and JeanCoutu do we want to found the killer canadians ???

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Re:The Nations Cup - German team Mon, 11 July 2005 14:06
hai hai

I am not so high ranked, but I would like to join the German team. Like cinderella Jac_ is my current home Switzerland, but I am native German.

The best ranked German player should start to create the German team. Maybe it is a good idea to have five players with one substitute player.

ciao
torsten
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 14:14
Jac_ wrote on Mon, 11 July 2005 07:57

Dear LE Jean Coutu!!!! (are frenchCanadians also true Canadians) Shocked Shocked Shocked



but of course!
The only true nation! Very Happy
To be playing for!

And don't underestimate my son! He is a strong player too. Cool Smug

And Changedgirl a very strong Canadian Player. So if she, you, rek, chrigu and I.... hmmmm what a killer TEAM! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil



Jac

p.s. so rek, changedgirl,chrigu and JeanCoutu do we want to found the killer canadians ???


Ok, so we will be 4 players: Rek{}, Jac_, changedgirl (are you sure that she's canadian? Her country is US but time Zone: Vancouver) and LE Jean Coutu

P.S: We are four, if we need an other player, maybe Hugo22, his ranking is 34

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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 14:22
Well LE Jean Coutu!!

I count 5!!

LE Jean Coutu
rek
changedgirl is def. canadian!!!!
chrigu
Jac_

that makes it 5!!!
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 14:26
Ok... so I think Canada is ready!!
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 14:29
Ah Jac, OK then! Smile That gives plenty of Canadians. I think each team should probably have at least 5 players with a 6th in there if possible just in case someone can't play a match. I would imagine something like Davis Cup, where a best of 5 matches is played. (???) Players could be seeded 1-5 each match according to rank or the judgement of the captain. What do you think Bassie?

Some teams might think strategically and play their best player in the #2 slot and sacrifice the #1 slot... say if they are playing a team that is top-heavy. There would be strategy like that before the matches even start.

Leachris I know you don't like tjandjahall but I do think we would need someone with his skills and (hopefully) time to organize something as complicated as this would be, a Swiss draw. From what I have read I know there have been problems with the Open for various reasons, but as tj said I think he and everyone can learn from those to make an even better one.




SKM
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 14:30
I just take a look to Germany players (in top 20)... osamu, Razamanaz, Wernerus, DasZuggenpast... they are not going to be easy to beat... but it's possible...
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 14:54
Bassie I will be very happy to join the Dutch team. I allready put on my orange fur Razz Razz Razz Razz .

Pur
Rode katers
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 15:17
Not all have said YES Surprised LE Jean Coutu!!!!

and who is going to lead the team? I suggest rek.... but maybe he ain't gonna do it.

So lets pm each other to clear this up!!!

Jac
      
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  Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 15:48
Hello!

Thanks Bassie for the good idea. I'd love to join Team Finland, of course. I don't care if there is only one or more groups. If there are more than one group I think there should be a lottery or some other way to share the teams objectively.

In my opinion the main point when choosing the teams should be nationality. If there's not enough players in one country they could combine two country or other geographical area. There could be for example Team Fralgium (France & Belgium) or Team Asia (for Yaron).

If there's no more than one team from each country/area, every country should have equal opportunities to win. So maybe no Sweden I and II or Andorra Gents and Andorra Ladies in the same tournament.

I think every team playing against each other is the best way but it's possible to have a very long tournament then. Groups are ok for me if they are chosen randomly. Or more complicated.. if the ranks of all the players in one team are added together and then the groups are created by rank order of nations and then.... no, that's too complicated way Wink

Well, there was not much new in my text here but I just wanted to say that idea of The Nations Cup is great and I hope it will be true someday.

Wuonex
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 16:00
hi!

ok, i have a little problem!

i consider myself as european (german/french, married to an austrian, living in the states), so i would like to have a group with some international players who are not represented in the announcement.

I am thinking of
yaron (israel)
plcrams (australian)

if someone else wants to join just pm me.
I don't care for nationality!

thad
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 16:36
YEEEES I am in!!! Please! Very Happy Very Happy

It is a GREAT idea bassie!


ttfn chrigu

p.s. don't care who is captain, JUST NOT ME! Laughing Laughing
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 17:43
LE Jean Coutu schrieb am Mon, 11 July 2005 14:30

I just take a look to Germany players (in top 20)... osamu, Razamanaz, Wernerus, DasZuggenpast... they are not going to be easy to beat... but it's possible...

Wernerus is not a German player, he is from Vienna, Austria.

Angel9, Katzenfrau, Wernerus and myself could build quite a strong Vienna team, consisting just of two families. (mother or daughter could play Katzenfrau, as Angel9, Wernerus and I don't play this account any more - since approx. 1 month)

On the other hand, none of us is too eager to play a tournament at all, so I don't know...

Michael
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 11 July 2005 18:21
Hi Bassie ! Hifolks !

Great Idea ! Cool

I sign in

and i'm looking around for an unbeatable German Team ! Shocked Very Happy

I will write an message to an few German Top players Very Happy to complete the German Team,hopefully to get the best ones.

your

RAZAMANAZ


      
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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 12 July 2005 00:32
I'd be glad to represent the great States.

Oh, and I went to my gaming group and played three-player T2R with two random guys. I asked if anyone played online and one guy said his handle was msande75. If I saw him I could certainly ask him if he wants to play; he's not bad at small games.

--ElSoy
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 12 July 2005 01:03
hi all ^^

it´s really a great idea
I also would like pretty much to play in this tournament, but .. in the french team, or in the german team .. because right now I´m in germany and it will be so for a while ...

or maybe with thadounette ?? who wanna have a kotay in his team ?? =(
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 12 July 2005 07:46
hi bassie.

great idea..

if i have time i will play in the nations cup... for the german team.

ps: GREAT IDEA Wink

Razz Very Happy
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 12 July 2005 08:18
Splendid!

Bassie, if you allow me to, then I'll join the Dutch team and make this little country famous and feared amongst TTR players worldwide! Smile

D.I.S.
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 12 July 2005 12:02
Hello Bassie !
I had time to think about many things yesterday ( I played only one game, unbelievable Wink )
and I really feel better .

Your idea is so great that I can't put my own interests above the all nation's interests Laughing Laughing

I changed my mind ( but you know, only idiots never change their mind, that's what I ever said Laughing Laughing Laughing )

I said I would not join any other tournament but here, with the team, it's not the same stress I guess .

And I prefer to play WITH kotay than AGAINST him Wink
( hi "petit poisson" , I was not kind especially with you Embarassed )

Bassie , how to decide who is the leader ?
the highest ranked Mad ? the oldest Confused ? only a woman Wink ? the one with the most games Very Happy ?


The only problem ( I hope it wouldn't be a real problem, is that I'll be on holidays ( without internet Crying or Very Sad Crying or Very Sad ) until the 1st of august !

Nico06 would like to be in the french team but can only be available from the 18th of august !

I try to find other players for the french team !

VIVE LA FRANCE ! Laughing Laughing

Cu all very soon !

      
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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 12 July 2005 15:12
ElSoyokaze wrote on Mon, 11 July 2005 18:32

I'd be glad to represent the great States.

Oh, and I went to my gaming group and played three-player T2R with two random guys. I asked if anyone played online and one guy said his handle was msande75. If I saw him I could certainly ask him if he wants to play; he's not bad at small games.

--ElSoy



Cool. Let us know what he says. Still haven't heard from thekid or br'er/fond yet, but I know thekid is offline for now because of internet problems. I sent him an PM just in case, and if I don't hear from br'er/fond I'll send him a PM also. That would make 5 players for the USA team. If nobody higher-ranked wants to captain the team I'll be glad to, but if someone else is interested that's totally OK as well.



SKM
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 12 July 2005 16:23
Hi Folks !

Wrote a lot of PM to the german Top Players.
Still wait of an reply from AIRBUS PETERHANS and DasZuggespenst
Hope that they will join the german Dreamteam

Here are the list of the players who signed in for the German Team.

Torsten
Optimus
Osamu
Whitetrain
Donisl
Razamanaz


Think we can play evertime with full force because we can choose from a lot of top players


Razamanaz

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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 12 July 2005 17:21
Oh, so the masked engineer joins the German team!! Interesting! Can't wait to see the match against the Dutchies. Maybe finally they can extract some revenge not only for poor D.I.S. and his grievous injuries but for Holland's national pride, given the trouncing they took in WWII. Smile




Update: OK this is SKM... Wink Sorry wrong logon. Kimber wouldn't have written this, haha.

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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 12 July 2005 18:25
So Kimber is SKM's wife. Nice. Smile

Yeah, it's cool that Optimus joined the German team. Hopefully now I FINALLY get the chance to have a head-on collision with the guy!

Greetz,

D.I.S.
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 12 July 2005 20:51
kotay schrieb am Mon, 11 July 2005 18:03

hi all ^^

it´s really a great idea
I also would like pretty much to play in this tournament, but .. in the french team, or in the german team .. because right now I´m in germany and it will be so for a while ...

or maybe with thadounette ?? who wanna have a kotay in his team ?? =(


Why not!

if the frenchies accept me... I would be glad to join.

but i have to know also for the ones i asked (yaron, plcrams)

cu

thad (arretes avec thadounette kotay!)


      
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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 12 July 2005 22:21
For someone who was 10 in February 1980, I believe the chant went like this. USA USA USA. I'm in and will begin playing that map again. Nobody will ridicule me again.
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 12 July 2005 22:37
thekid wrote on Tue, 12 July 2005 16:21

For someone who was 10 in February 1980, I believe the chant went like this. USA USA USA. I'm in and will begin playing that map again. Nobody will ridicule me again.


Welcome back thekid!!

I was 5 so don't remember it, but I have watched Miracle if that counts. Wink What an awesome achievement that was!

I got confirmation from br'er/fond also, so here is the team so far:

thekid
Br'er Rabbit
ElSoyokaze
SKMorefield



msande75 would be 5th if he wants, Kimber could be an alternate. Is that enough or should we add one more?









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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 12 July 2005 22:56
I'd love to participate...I might not be all the way to the top of the ranks just yet, but I'm getting there

USA USA USA USA

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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 12 July 2005 23:07
thekid schrieb am Tue, 12 July 2005 22:21

For someone who was 10 in February 1980, I believe the chant went like this. USA USA USA. ...


For all the players who don't know what you are talking about (like me), just click HERE. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Btw, I was about -21 when Germany had it's historical sports miracle Very Happy

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