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New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Fri, 05 December 2014 14:03
RULES

1) Relation of Groups

a) Groups are labelled A, B, C, D1, D2
(a different format will be presented if the number of groups will be different from 5)

There will be 16 players in group A, at most 16 players in group B (can be less) while the other players will be equally divided into other groups. However, numbers can change according to number of players signed up.

Players	Div. A	Div.B	Div.C1	Div.C2	Div.D1	Div.D2

1	1	/	/	/	/	/
2	2	/	/	/	/	/
3	3	/	/	/	/	/
4	4	/	/	/	/	/
5	5	/	/	/	/	/
6	6	/	/	/	/	/
7	7	/	/	/	/	/
8	8	/	/	/	/	/
9	9	/	/	/	/	/
10	10	/	/	/	/	/
11	11	/	/	/	/	/
12	12	/	/	/	/	/
13	13	/	/	/	/	/
14	14	/	/	/	/	/
15	15	/	/	/	/	/
16	16	/	/	/	/	/
17	17	/	/	/	/	/
18	10	8	/	/	/	/
19	10	9	/	/	/	/
20	11	9	/	/	/	/
21	11	10	/	/	/	/
22	12	10	/	/	/	/
23	12	11	/	/	/	/
24	13	11	/	/	/	/
25	13	12	/	/	/	/
26	14	12	/	/	/	/
27	14	13	/	/	/	/
28	15	13	/	/	/	/
29	16	13	/	/	/	/
30	16	14	/	/	/	/
31	16	15	/	/	/	/
32	16	16	/	/	/	/
33	12	11	10	/	/	/
34	12	11	11	/	/	/
35	13	11	11	/	/	/
36	13	12	11	/	/	/
37	13	12	12	/	/	/
38	14	12	12	/	/	/
39	15	12	12	/	/	/
40	16	12	12	/	/	/
41	16	13	12	/	/	/
42	16	13	13	/	/	/
43	16	14	13	/	/	/
44	16	14	14	/	/	/
45	16	15	14	/	/	/
46	16	15	15	/	/	/
47	16	16	15	/	/	/
48	16	16	16	/	/	/
49	14	12	12	11	/	/
50	14	12	12	12	/	/
51	14	13	12	12	/	/
52	16	12	12	12	/	/
53	16	13	12	12	/	/
54	16	14	12	12	/	/
55	16	15	12	12	/	/
56	16	16	12	12	/	/
57	16	16	13	12	/	/
58	16	16	13	13	/	/
59	16	16	14	13	/	/
60	16	16	14	14	/	/
61	16	16	15	14	/	/
62	16	16	15	15	/	/
63	16	16	16	15	/	/
64	16	16	16	16	/	/
65	16	16	16	17	/	/
66	16	16	17	17	/	/
67	16	17	17	17	/	/

Players	Div. A	Div.B	Div. C	Div.D1	Div.D2	Div.D3

68	16	16	12	12	12	/
69	16	16	13	12	12	/
70	16	16	13	13	12	/
71	16	16	13	13	13	/
72	16	16	14	13	13	/
73	16	16	15	13	13	/
74	16	16	16	13	13	/
75	16	16	16	14	13	/
76	16	16	16	14	14	/
77	16	16	16	15	14	/
78	16	16	16	15	15	/
79	16	16	16	16	15	/
80	16	16	16	16	16	/
81	16	16	16	16	17	/
82	16	16	16	17	17	/
83	16	16	17	17	17	/
84	16	16	16	12	12	12
85	16	16	16	13	12	12
86	16	16	16	13	13	12
87	16	16	16	13	13	13
88	16	16	16	14	13	13
89	16	16	16	14	14	13
90	16	16	16	14	14	14
91	16	16	16	15	14	14
92	16	16	16	15	15	14
93	16	16	16	15	15	15
94	16	16	16	16	15	15
95	16	16	16	16	16	15
96	16	16	16	16	16	16





b) Formation of Division A:
Players admitted to Division A (if they sign up):
*Top 9 of Division A of previous season
Truckerteller, Hecki, toutoune, deep_blue,chrismmm,RMarkes,
Deveric, Goscha, Whitetrain

*Promoted players from Division B (if they sign up)
Patterson,maf,ommie
*Remaining spots will be given to the players with the higher TELO still not assigned to Division A.

Players admitted to Division B:
*players placed between 4th and 11th in previous season (if they sign up and if they are not already in Division A):
suburu,Yaelka,Val,Volleytom,Ishamael,mennonite436,
womble,davidb9

*Promoted players from Division C (if they sign up and if they are not already in Division A)
Cromze,dandee,scorps
*Remaining spots will be given to the players with the higher TELO still not assigned to Division B.


Players admitted to Division C:
*players placed between 4th and 11th in previous season (if they sign up and if they are not in a higher division):
DN,Tinman,U 31, Pammes, GSV3,GenuineFauxFarm,
Olle Boll,Lexx_

*Promoted players from Division C (if they sign up and if they are not in a higher division)
Enix,Julichka,2Cutter,Zil
*Remaining spots will be given to the players with the higher TELO still not assigned to Division C.

Other players will be placed in groups according to TELO USA 2p as calculated after the Quarter Finals of NC. TELO will have a weight according to the number of series played with the same formula of last season. In case of not TELO available the old DOW ranking 2p+USA (or Euro) will be used, but players with no TELO will be placed after players with TELO. The placement in Ca double group at the same level will follow the snake rule

c) Promotions:
Top 3 of a single level group are assured a place in the upper level. Top 2 of each group of a double level groups are assured a place in the upper level.

The places that will assure players to remain in the same level will be defined when the groups are published.



2) Clashes

The clashes will be played with series of 6 games.


3 )Scoring

1 point for each game win (and 0.5 for a game tie)
2 points for a series win (and 1 for a series tie)

Tiebreaker for 2 or more people is
*head-to head,
*then difference of total matches won-lost,
*then difference of games won-lost,
*then sum of points in the direct match. (to avoid the use of seedings).


4) Alternating starts
Use the "start button"! For the first game of a match start is random. In games 2-6 the start button must be used to alternate starts and let each player have 3 starts until game 6.


5) Open games

Games have to be open.


6) Scheduling and deadlines

a)The league will be played on a timeframe of 20 weeks.


b) There will be two intermediate deadlines.

c) At the start of the season the TD will give out a schedule of games that HAVE to be played before the first deadline (week 7) and a schedule of games that HAVE to be played before the second deadline (week 14). One player can play all the games as soon as he can but these games have to be played before their particular deadlines.
For a 16 players group a player will have 4 particular clashes that need to be played before the first deadline and other 5 particular clashes that have to be played before the second deadline. Off course if possible, he can play all the clashes before the first deadline.

*Deadlines are not meant for a generic number of clashes. YOU need to play these particular clashes before that deadline.
Schedule of the games will be given at the start of the League season. Players can play games of the last part of the season also at the start but they have to play before the end of the first part at least the games scheduled for the first part of the season.

d) TD reaction to clashes not played:
*TD will rule clashes not played at Monday 14.00 european time of a particular deadline (Monday morning to give the full days also to USA based players).

*TD will rule total wins, partial wins, double losses etc... according to his feeling about who is more at fault. In case of doubts about who is more at fault, he will rule double loss.

*TD will not contact players to help them schedule the games.

*TD will consider for the ruling only the info that reached him by PM or was posted in the forum 96 hours before the deadline time (so info reaching him before 14.00 Thursday European time of a particular deadline)

*Games scheduled but for every type of trouble not played in the last 96 hours will not be valued in the feeling about who was more at fault (you were too close to the deadline). Public attempts to schedule before the last 96 hours will be considered in the ruling.



*TD will post his rulings in the forum immediately after the deadline and he will not comment about them in public.
(TD will prepare the rulings before the weekend and will publish only the ones about the games not played in last weekend)


7) Etiquette

Usual rules of etiquette are to be observed. TD will give penalties or disqualifications in case of severe violations of the etiquette.
*Players have to post scheduled matches in the forum.
*Players have to report results in the forum.

8 ) Dropouts and returning players

*Players coming back after not playing a season or more will be placed according to their TELO score (see rules for placement for TELO score).
* In case of dropouts: if one player missed one match, then he will keep his ranking. If he missed more than one match he will be classified last.

The played matches will count for his opponents if he played at least 66% of the matches, otherwise all his matches will be discarded entirely. In the first case, the matches not played will be ruled by the TD that will rule them according to the info he has available.[/quote]
      
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Fri, 05 December 2014 14:13
*Schedule for first season of USA NEW League:

*Deadline signing 18th December 23.59 CET
*Start League (publication of schedules and groups): 19th December 21.00 CET
*First deadline: 26th January 14.00 CET
*Second deadline: 23th March 14.00 CET
*Final deadline: 4th May 14.00 CEST
      
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Fri, 05 December 2014 14:21
Wow!
I read all this stuff and it does make sense! Great work!
I saw a little niche for me in Division D3; OK, D1 or D2 if that's the last one!
First to sign, last to seed!
      
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Fri, 05 December 2014 14:22
Hi all.

I'm in for first time...I don't understand all rules (sorry for my english, I'm french).

Thanks.
      
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Fri, 05 December 2014 14:33
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Thanks for organzition Qorlas

@ Dgedge : si tu as besoin de précisions, n'hésite pas à demander (forum français par exemple)
      
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Fri, 05 December 2014 15:02
Count me in

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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Fri, 05 December 2014 15:34
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You have a TELO after RR available Qorlas...but if you prefer the DOW ranking I'm fine with that : with TELO if all players higher ranked than me sign in I'm in D Confused , with DOW ranking I'm in A Razz
      
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Fri, 05 December 2014 15:41
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Fri, 05 December 2014 16:16
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Gotta give this "A" thing a try, could be interesting... Laughing



@Knock, Sysy has the latest TELO up through NC QF and continues to update it.


      
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Fri, 05 December 2014 16:39
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Fri, 05 December 2014 19:23
one stupid question: people, who failed to hold on to their league A status do not get the right to start in B now?(and so on for B and C) This does not seem to make sense, but I failed to spot that in the opener

Edit: this is NOT a registration,though I might register later

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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Fri, 05 December 2014 20:02
Count me in.
Thx, Q.
      
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Fri, 05 December 2014 22:54
Julichka and Lexx are in
      
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Fri, 05 December 2014 23:13
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Sat, 06 December 2014 10:20
AGT-Schachus écrit le Fri, 05 December 2014 19:23

one stupid question: people, who failed to hold on to their league A status do not get the right to start in B now?(and so on for B and C) This does not seem to make sense, but I failed to spot that in the opener

Edit: this is NOT a registration,though I might register later


I was joking and didn't ask anything.
I will play in C or D because I had bad results all over the year in others tournaments. From players ranked 10-16 in A last year, 1 is sure to stay in A, 3 to (at least) play in B, 1 in C.
I will be in C if only one player don't sign in above me (and probably kostasss won't sign in and I will play in C). Last one (Elric) will be in D for sure. (all that assuming ranking won't change with new TELO ranking)
Perhaps a rule like "a player can't go down more than 2 divisions per year" could have been added or can be added for next year? Because it's true it would be hard to go down 3 divisions Sad
And it is harder for Elric : for 1 point difference in last season (1 win or on tie in 1 game among 84) he could have been 9th and stayed in A. And he finally will play in D. Confused

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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Sat, 06 December 2014 12:47
In my opinion this is very much taking avay motivation.
I start somewhere in C or D and if I(theoretically) managed to work my way up to A, and then I finish 11th of 16 in A, I have to start over in D(unless the TELO improved in the meantime)?
You should be able to lose only 1 division per season imho. Or you could say 10-13 lose atmost 1 division, and 14-16 might lose 2 or soemthing like that, if that doesnt leave enough spaces for new participants.
      
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Sat, 06 December 2014 13:04
Knockando écrit le Sat, 06 December 2014 10:20

And it is harder for Elric : for 1 point difference in last season (1 win or on tie in 1 game among 84) he could have been 9th and stayed in A. And he finally will play in D. Confused

I will play in Div. D ?! ... really ? Well, why not, I don't care anyway Wink

And of course, I'm in ! Cool


      
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Sat, 06 December 2014 13:19
I personnally agree with the comments from Schachus and Knock.
I fully understand the need to have a TELO part for newcomers, not starting from bottom division.
But I would avoid to have direct TELO access to the Div A.
Just make your proof in Div B which is very strong already.
And no more than 2 relegation division, yes.
Actually, perhaps it is possible to manage the relegation like the promotion? (Last from Div A go to Div C whatever the Telo, 2 or 3 before go to Div B...)
And leave an access (from Div B and downward) for TELO, with also for replacement after resignation.

I am quite sure it is more or less impossible to find the right, perfect rules and balance between TELO access / resignation / previous year results, and you probably thought a lot for this (and thanks!), but again, it seems a bit weird in the case of ELric (and not because he is a NC teammate) moving from A to D! Let say from Top to Bottom.


      
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Sat, 06 December 2014 13:22
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Sat, 06 December 2014 13:24
Knockando's suggestion makes sense

Alternatively, something like: "each year of no show-up (no participation of past player) reduces him/her by one division". So after 3 years of lack of interest, any past Division A player will start all-over again. Else there is gross counter-incentive for past experienced player to re-join (after perhaps a year of having a newborn child; this is not a theoretical case!). So definitely Schachus' argument does have a lot of merit.

On the other hand, this is a "New League", so how much is it related to the initial "League"? And there is a new TELO ranking, which the organizers try to incorporate in order to promote participation in all tournaments.

P.S. I have to admit that Elric's response and attitude is indeed decent and respectful showing high level of sportmanship. After all it's just a game and priority is to have fun!

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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Sat, 06 December 2014 14:45
Hi all,


the "old league" worked more or less exactly like you asked and it was dying due to drop-outs, people leaving and people not joining in becuase of the long ladder.

We discussed it A LOT last year and we decided to decrease the ladder by increasing the number of players per division but at the same time to play only one season per year.

You compete to be sure to be promoted but you compete also to be sure of a place in the division in the next season! Otherwise you have to eran it by playing good all the competitions in USA 2P during the year.

I can understand who wasn't around last year when we had the discussion about the revision of League format.... but this format came out as a big compromise between all the views and has been agreed by all the board that discussed it, now the rule for second season that was agreed upon is coming of use for the first time ever! Let it work out and see how it work.

To follow the request of minimum movement between the division would lead us back to "old league" situation.... a thing that we are trying to avoid.

Finally:
if a player is in bottom positions of A but plays like an A-division player the other competitions: he will remain in a place of TELO good enough for A in the successive division. So if you are in top 9 of A: you are safe... otherwise you need to gain A back though other competitions during the year.

If any other wish to comment... feel free
      
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Sat, 06 December 2014 14:52
(and Elric was part of the group discussing the new rules if I remind well) Wink
      
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Sat, 06 December 2014 16:34
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Sat, 06 December 2014 17:27
All that discussion is based on the assumption that Elric would be sent in D.

Remember that Qorlas uses a weighted TELO to avoid "provisional rankings". It'd be better if Qorlas publishes his weighted TELO asap to avoid discussions about it.

Yet,
1. We don't know who will play League again
2. We don't know how many players will register
3. We don't know how many new entries we will have
4. We don't know how many players will drop out.

Last time I made a projection for the groups, considering who's likely to join and who may drop out, I found that Elric could still be in B with some drop-outs, or would barely miss the cut with equal participation.
In all cases, it is a hard fate to stay in Division A or B. If some players from Division A are sent in B, that means competition gets stronger on top with new high TELO players and therefore bolsters the competition in A, B and C.

Since we play League once a year, we needed to add more movements in between the divisions to give everybody a reasonable chance to go up.
If you have a 5-1 record in SPWC, you do well in Fusion and manage a 4-1 record in NC, you deserve credit for that.
With 7 players cut from Division A, we consider that Elric, Knock, dea and I performed below than the average player in A (as close to average they may be), and that we/they should prove that we are at the level of the average player in A during the rest of the year.

And reality is that being average or fighting at the bottom in Division A does no good to your TELO, compared to doing well in D or C.
The goal of League is to keep strong competition on top.

[Updated on: Sat, 06 December 2014 17:35]

      
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Sun, 07 December 2014 08:39
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Re:New League - season 2 rules and sign up thread Sun, 07 December 2014 09:21
I am going to publish the TELO weighted rankings on Tuesday.

(On holiday right now Wink )

Doc:
You will have 10 days to play 3 or 4 series in that case. Please be aware that you will need to play themin few days and that in League we cannot give extratimes in the deadlines.
(I am sure that you will manage that, but I needed to tell that just to be sure Wink )
      
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