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FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Sun, 15 March 2015 03:18
Below is listed the schedule for The FUSION CUP 2015

a Weekly Clash consists of 4 matches:
1) A 2 player match of 6 games of the home team's choice among the following maps available: Asia, Swiss, AAT

2) A 2 player match of 6 games on the USA map
3) A 2 player match of 6 games on the Euro Map
4) A 4 player TAG match of 3 games using the TAG rules

Teams are to note TAG matches can be played on a map other than US if agreed upon prior to start of the TAG matches.

      
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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Sun, 15 March 2015 03:21
NEW SCHEDULE
line-ups by    Play           (first team is home team)
 
March 17      March 18-29  	Week 1 PPB-AWT, NG-BTB1, LOL- BTB2, RUS-FLOP, DrQ-XO,

March 24     March 25-April 4   Week 2, XO-RUS, BTB2-DrQ, FLOP-NG, AWT-LOL, BTB1-PPB,

March 31     April 1-12	        Week 3 NG-BTB2, RUS- AWT, XO-PPB, DrQ- BTB1, FLOP -LOL, 

April 7          April 8-19	Week 4 DrQ- FLOP , LOL-RUS, BTB2-XO, NG-PPB, AWT- BTB1,

April 14         April 15-26	Week 5 RUS-DrQ, XO- FLOP, PPB-LOL, BTB1-BTB2, AWT -NG,

April 21      April 22-May 3	Week 6 XO- BTB1, BTB2-PPB, NG-RUS, FLOP -AWT, LOL-DrQ, 
 
April 28      April 29-May 10	Week 7  AWT-BTB2, DrQ-NG, BTB1- FLOP, LOL-XO, PPB-RUS,

May 5		May 6-17	Week 8 FLOP-PPB, BTB1-LOL, DrQ- AWT, XO-NG, RUS-BTB2,

May 12        May 13-24	        Week 9 NG-LOL, AWT-XO, RUS- BTB1, PPB-DrQ, BTB2- FLOP,

May 21       May 25-June6	Play-off week one

May 23      early June  	Championship match


Line-ups are to be sent to TD onyx puffin LOL
Anyone playing LOL during a week are to send their line-ups to BTB Sysyphus.

[Updated on: Sun, 15 March 2015 21:26]

      
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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Sun, 15 March 2015 04:38
We can not possibly start tomorrow.

1. We did not know our opponents
2. We don't even know the maps we are supposed to play.
3. Only 3 teams stated which kind of TAGS they are ready to play.
4. We are wasting 1 weekend by sending lineups on Sundays.
5. Was there a criteria used for the home advantage? It seems like the strongest teams on paper have 5 home advantadge vs 4 for the others. Maybe we can adjust that.

Here's a suggestion of schedule.

http://s11.postimg.org/dw9b7a75v/FUSION_SCHEDULE_2015.png

[Updated on: Sun, 15 March 2015 05:36]

      
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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Sun, 15 March 2015 09:13
BTB Sysyphus schrieb am Sun, 15 March 2015 04:38

We can not possibly start tomorrow.

1. We did not know our opponents
2. We don't even know the maps we are supposed to play.
3. Only 3 teams stated which kind of TAGS they are ready to play.
4. We are wasting 1 weekend by sending lineups on Sundays.
5. Was there a criteria used for the home advantage? It seems like the strongest teams on paper have 5 home advantadge vs 4 for the others. Maybe we can adjust that.



Correct, Sysy!
ad 5) Yes, weaker teams should be 5 times home team, stronger teams 4 times
ad 3) Should the teams say before competition, that they will play their TAG matches on e. g. US map EVERY MATCH or may they switch from week to week?
      
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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Sun, 15 March 2015 13:24
I will update the above schedule according to the wishes of group for later start than March 16.

Let us use the schedule as Sysy has put in.

(I do not have time now, but can update in about 6 hours.)

We will work out details of TAG match factor as well as Asia/AAT/Swiss etc.
      
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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Sun, 15 March 2015 15:05
Agree, weaker teams should have 5 home games.

Waiting for Tyrana to post, but in the news I have we should be almost there
      
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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Sun, 15 March 2015 15:49
posted in wrong thread sorry

[Updated on: Sun, 15 March 2015 16:58]

      
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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Sun, 15 March 2015 16:42
Lucullupus wrote on Sun, 15 March 2015 09:13


ad 3) Should the teams say before competition, that they will play their TAG matches on e. g. US map EVERY MATCH or may they switch from week to week?


In my understanding, Teams select every kind of tag they are able to play during Fusion before it starts.
And when you are an away team, your opponent picks the TAG kind you made available.
So technically, yes, you can play different TAGS every week.
But you can also play US TAG only if you wish.
      
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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Sun, 15 March 2015 16:57
Sorry, Sysy, it's not always that easy Rolling Eyes

Precice Version of FLOP-TAG:
Kasi involved: Only US possible
Belelule with Hecki or dea: US and EU possible
Hecki+dea: All maps possible

If I'm forced to give a single answer it therefore has to be "FLOP can only play US".
Would be a pity, however, as our most frequent TAG lineup will be Hecki/dea.

Maybe other teams have the same issue?

I therefore suggest:
FIRST we do the Lineup
THEN, when the couples are known, the away team chooses the map(s) from the given possiblities (IIRC that choice is for the away team, the home team chooses the single - this has to be done BEFORE giving the lineup of course)

If somebody's lineup for TAG would really be different depending on the map(s) played, just ask me who will play and I'll tell you.
      
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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Sun, 15 March 2015 17:55
FLOP_dea1 wrote on Sun, 15 March 2015 16:57

Sorry, Sysy, it's not always that easy Rolling Eyes

Kasi involved: Only US possible

could make it easier if Kasi would also play Europe Rolling Eyes

Quote:


I therefore suggest:
FIRST we do the Lineup


How can you do the lineup beforehand ? Not every player can play AAT. Not every Swiss player can also play Asia etc...

Quote:


the away team chooses the map(s) from the given possiblities (IIRC that choice is for the away team, the home team chooses the single - this has to be done BEFORE giving the lineup of course)


It's still home team's choice. The main goal of having a home team advantage is to give an advantage. Therefore your lineup should depend on the other team's choice. Let's say that round 3 maps should be sent to the TD with the round 2 lineup, so that each team can have time to adjust.

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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Sun, 15 March 2015 19:57
ok, so home team chooses both, fine with me.

My suggestion was to choose the single before the lineup, only the TAG afterwards (when you know who is playing and therefore know the options).

For the single you must be able to adapt your lineup to the other teams choice.
For the TAG you don't need to do that, as you're allowed to say "we only play US" from the start.
(And no, I can't adapt after opp's choice, as I will play TAG with Hecki/dea anyway when we're both available to do so).
Hence by giving my detailled information and suggesting a choice after the lineup, I give my opponents additional options. I did that, because I think it's the idea of this event to allow for other TAG maps as often as possible.

But ok, if we want it simple, FLOP can only play US.
If our opponent prefers other maps he can always ask us to do so after the lineup, chances are high that we'll accept.
      
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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Sun, 15 March 2015 20:34
FUSION seems to be the place we try new twists. So please be patient as we work out this home advantage factors.

Same can be said for which map will be used in TAG. That is why I wrote: note TAG matches can be played on a map other than US if agreed upon prior to start of the TAG matches. I propose that two tams playing each other that week can have the captains work out what TAG maps, I know I am more trusting (probably foolishly), but I trust the two TAG teams to be able to work out what MAP they will play. It is US unless otherwise agreed to. AND if the teams work it out, it could be US, then Asia, then EU or any combination they want. I trust captains to maybe talk to each other before their match that week. Only difficulty then is first week.

This same Trust also applies to the two people playing the: 2 player match of 6 games of the home team's choice among the following maps available: Asia, Swiss, AAT. Home team has the choice but if it works out, maybe one is allowed to play Mega for the match? It makes me laugh that if you look at the 2nd most popular map in terms of play, Mega is number 2, but not in the Competitive TTR community.

Finally, there is a concern that: weaker teams should have 5 home games. Who says I did not do that? Twisted Evil Seriously though, Tricky to do that now, but I suppose I and two others could try to do that. My more important criteria was to spread the home away so no team had 3 home games in a row at any time during the season. I personally did not think there is the diversity of levels this year as past years. BUT, I WILL POST A NEW SCHEDULE TONIGHT So schedule comes out soon with corrected dates. It will be on a new thread and here.
      
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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Sun, 15 March 2015 20:44
I agree with Julien thoughts about advantage but I see some practical problems with timing mainly.

Maybe could be easier to set a first deadline for Home team map choice to post in a dedicated thread and a second deadline 2 days later for lineups of both teams. I think we know and imagine who could play every type of matches or not.

About TAG maps some people hasn't Asia map but all have Europe. So we could circumscribe the choices to US or EU or US/EU with 3rd game home team choice

Marco

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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Sun, 15 March 2015 22:08
I think if you know the Maps ahead of putting in the lineup, then there really is no advantage. Stop calling it Home Team advantage and call it Home Team's Choice.

If I pick AAT, the away team is just going to pick their best AAT player. If I pick Swiss, they just pick their best Swiss player. In fact it almost gives the away team a small advantage. On the other hand if the match up were set, I could then pick the map that I have the best advantage over my opponent - that would be a home field advanatge!

It would also allow people less familar with the format a chance to be put in the line up. Say Tyrana is not very good at any of the maps. If the away team knows the map ahead of time, again they put in their good player for that map and she has no chance. But if they don't know, and they put in their good Asia player, then she at least can pick Swiss or AAT and have a better chance of winning. Sure most players good at Asia are also good at Swiss and AAT, but there is a difference - I would rather play Truckerteller at AAT than Swiss or Asia.

Saying someone might not have the map.. well how many people have Swiss but not 1910/Asia, or 1910 and not Asia. And if this is really the case, then when you are the away team, you need to put someone in that slot that can play all of them or will buy the missing map if that one gets chosen. Put the person who is missing a map in during your "home" games.

Its a little more tricky for TAG, because I can believe there are people that only have USA, and not Europe/Asia. That should probably just be done at game time and each team agrees to use other maps, and if they don't agree it defaults to USA.





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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Sun, 15 March 2015 23:00
DrakeStorm schrieb am Sun, 15 March 2015 22:08

I think if you know the Maps ahead of putting in the lineup, then there really is no advantage. Stop calling it Home Team advantage and call it Home Team's Choice.

If I pick AAT, the away team is just going to pick their best AAT player. If I pick Swiss, they just pick their best Swiss player. In fact it almost gives the away team a small advantage. On the other hand if the match up were set, I could then pick the map that I have the best advantage over my opponent - that would be a home field advanatge!

It would also allow people less familar with the format a chance to be put in the line up. Say Tyrana is not very good at any of the maps. If the away team knows the map ahead of time, again they put in their good player for that map and she has no chance. But if they don't know, and they put in their good Asia player, then she at least can pick Swiss or AAT and have a better chance of winning. Sure most players good at Asia are also good at Swiss and AAT, but there is a difference - I would rather play Truckerteller at AAT than Swiss or Asia.

Saying someone might not have the map.. well how many people have Swiss but not 1910/Asia, or 1910 and not Asia. And if this is really the case, then when you are the away team, you need to put someone in that slot that can play all of them or will buy the missing map if that one gets chosen. Put the person who is missing a map in during your "home" games.

Its a little more tricky for TAG, because I can believe there are people that only have USA, and not Europe/Asia. That should probably just be done at game time and each team agrees to use other maps, and if they don't agree it defaults to USA.







Good point, Drake.
This makes more fun and more tactical possibilities!
      
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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Sun, 15 March 2015 23:45
DrakeStorm wrote on Sun, 15 March 2015 22:08

I think if you know the Maps ahead of putting in the lineup, then there really is no advantage. Stop calling it Home Team advantage and call it Home Team's Choice.


Just semantics, sorry for not usnig the appropriate word here... We've used home team's choice in the rules and during the whole discussion. I don't think it really matters, but if some teams need custom rules 2 days before the tournament starts...

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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Mon, 16 March 2015 00:58
BTB Sysyphus schrieb am Sun, 15 March 2015 23:45

DrakeStorm wrote on Sun, 15 March 2015 22:08

I think if you know the Maps ahead of putting in the lineup, then there really is no advantage. Stop calling it Home Team advantage and call it Home Team's Choice.


Just semantics, sorry for not usnig the appropriate word here... We've used home team's choice in the rules and during the whole discussion. I don't think it really matters, but if some teams need custom rules 2 days before the tournament starts...


No, maybe too late, but we can keep that point in our head for next year.
      
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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Mon, 16 March 2015 08:21
So Drake,
Shortly and practically Captain Sysy must send to me (home team captain) his lineup Then we choice map and our opponent and i post final lineup. But what is one of Sysy team choosed cannot play because he hasn't a map ?
      
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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Mon, 16 March 2015 08:32
I understand ninja as I think.

Captains send line-ups as usual. Home team captain send addition the map for slot 3. And TD publish it.
If away team's player on slot 3 has problems with not having map or level of play of chosen map it's problems of away team.

Kenneth, correct?

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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Mon, 16 March 2015 10:09
NG RUS Ammazzati Sivorro wrote on Mon, 16 March 2015 08:32

I understand ninja as I think.

Captains send line-ups as usual. Home team captain send addition the map for slot 3. And TD publish it.
If away team's player on slot 3 has problems with not having map or level of play of chosen map it's problems of away team.

Kenneth, correct?

cu

Stas


And for slot 4 . Because it seems people haven't Europe and/or Asia map. I hope this won't bring to unplayable situation.

In my opinion a first deadline for "Home Team Captain map choosing" to post in a dedicated thread and a second deadline for sending both lineups to TD would help the running of the Tournament. Because a Captain could manage his players facing map availability. But it's only an opinion, I'll do what you'll decide.

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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Mon, 16 March 2015 12:55
Do we have a final decision now?

First lineup is due tomorrow ... do the home teams have to announce their choice for the 3rd single tonight (and how? Send to opp captain, send to TD, publish in Forum?)?

      
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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Mon, 16 March 2015 15:55
This is now the official policy. (I know it is tight for first match, but make do folks)

a Weekly Clash consists of 4 matches:
1) A 2 player match of 6 games of the home team's choice among the following maps available: Asia, Swiss, AAT
In first match, Home Captains must report to other team 2 days prior to line-ups do, 
which AAT, Asia, or Swiss match will be played in that spot. 
(to help TD, other captain can start asking early since I am worried about this administratively.)

2) A 2 player match of 6 games on the USA map

3) A 2 player match of 6 games on the Euro Map

4) A 4 player TAG match of 3 games using the TAG rules
Teams are to note TAG matches can be played on a map other than US if agreed upon prior to start of the TAG matches. Captains should address what TAG matches are possible when contacting each other 2 days prior to line-ups due. If a team only has a TAG team that does US map, please respect that.


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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Tue, 17 March 2015 14:56
onyx puffin LOL wrote on Mon, 16 March 2015 15:55

4) A 4 player TAG match of 3 games using the TAG rules
Teams are to note TAG matches can be played on a map other than US if agreed upon prior to start of the TAG matches. Captains should address what TAG matches are possible when contacting each other 2 days prior to line-ups due. If a team only has a TAG team that does US map, please respect that.





Just asked a clarification to Onyx.

I (home captain) asked to Sysy (away captain) what kind of TAG Map they are are to play.

He answered all.

Now it's not clear to me if I must reply our choice or I have the home advantage to declare map in official lineups (respecting his availability) and away team must be ready to all.

Onyx replied to me that I should reply to Sysy before he send lineups. No problem but I would be sure it's so for all.

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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Tue, 17 March 2015 15:10
NG SuperPello wrote on Tue, 17 March 2015 09:56

onyx puffin LOL wrote on Mon, 16 March 2015 15:55

4) A 4 player TAG match of 3 games using the TAG rules
Teams are to note TAG matches can be played on a map other than US if agreed upon prior to start of the TAG matches. Captains should address what TAG matches are possible when contacting each other 2 days prior to line-ups due. If a team only has a TAG team that does US map, please respect that.





Just asked a clarification to Onyx.

I (home captain) asked to Sysy (away captain) what kind of TAG Map they are are to play.

He answered all.

Now it's not clear to me if I must reply our choice or I have the home advantage to declare map in official lineups (respecting his availability) and away team must be ready to all.

Onyx replied to me that I should reply to Sysy before he send lineups. No problem but I would be sure it's so for all.

Marco

In the above case, probably NG could do what they want with TAG, including wait because BTB1 said, any map is fine that week. The point of captains talking is to be sure both teams have a proper TAG team set.

Here is what I believe is the trickiest dimension of this TAG situation. Sometimes a team may not have available a team to play all maps. What we want is captains to be sure to talk with each other in case the 'all' map team is not available during a week. IN such a case US is fall back position. (we do go on vacations, and have jobs that cause blips in the schedule)

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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Tue, 17 March 2015 15:56
FYI Julien sent lineups without knowing TAG Map
      
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Re:FUSION CUP Schedule & line-ups Tue, 17 March 2015 18:34
I think that in some teams players can be different according to the map choosen, so away captain need to know the choosen map before sending the line-up.

Being able to play TAG on different map don't have to be a disadvantage for a team
      
    
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