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Shocking Blue
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Rubbish game Sun, 03 December 2017 02:22
I can not believe how poor this online game is. Is it just me that expects too much? Is it not possible for a computer to generate random events equivalent to rolling dice or shuffling
a pack of cards? I enjoy the Memoir 44 board game very much but
it is difficult to find opponents to play face to face. I also
enjoy meeting and chatting to people online during a game, but
the whole experience is ruined by the lack of the random factor
one gets from a real life game.

I would like to know what other players think and also would like to hear from anyone that knows about computers. Is it not
possible for a computer to generate a random event, or is this
online game the result of very poor programming?
      
Jeronimon
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Re:Rubbish game Sun, 03 December 2017 09:29
I don't understand what you mean. Th dice and cards in my games are random.

Please explain your question.
      
Jon Washington
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Re:Rubbish game Sun, 03 December 2017 23:49
Yeah I don't understand either. How do you know it's not random?

I've always heard that the AI makes moves to maximize the number of dice it rolls. I don't know if that's true but it definitely makes bad moves that a human never would. It leaves units out in the open. It pushes unsupported units into bottlenecks, etc...

It does not play positionally and the cards seem to go in its favor more than mine. Pay attention to which side has a higher win percentage when you play. I swear it plays differently based on whether it is favored to win or not.

Overall, It seems pretty random to me though.
      
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Re:Rubbish game Mon, 04 December 2017 22:10
This has been discussed before at length. Here are a few such threads you can read:

Realistic odds?

Dice Rolling Algorithms Cannot Be Right

Are the dice rolls & card deals really chance?

[Updated on: Mon, 04 December 2017 22:26]

      
Jon Washington
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Re:Rubbish game Tue, 05 December 2017 04:26
This forum is so dead with traffic, I'm surprised to see somebody discouraging the posting of new topics, especially using examples that are 5-7 years old.
      
Clexton27
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Re:Rubbish game Tue, 05 December 2017 20:22
Jon Washington wrote on Mon, 04 December 2017 22:26

This forum is so dead with traffic, I'm surprised to see somebody discouraging the posting of new topics, especially using examples that are 5-7 years old.

I wouldn't assume that the person was intending to be discouraging; they are simply offering resources that are already online regarding this discourse for the uninformed. It is very typical on the Memoir '44 forums to reference other discussions on the same topic so that someone may see if a prior post legitimately answers their questions. If not, they are always free to respond.

[Updated on: Tue, 05 December 2017 20:25]

      
Jon Washington
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Re:Rubbish game Wed, 06 December 2017 01:19
Clexton27 wrote on Tue, 05 December 2017 14:22


I wouldn't assume that the person was intending to be discouraging; they are simply offering resources that are already online regarding this discourse for the uninformed. It is very typical on the Memoir '44 forums to reference other discussions on the same topic so that someone may see if a prior post legitimately answers their questions. If not, they are always free to respond.


Fair enough, but I've never taken "this has been discussed before, here are some links" as a way of continuing the conversation. In this case, there is no added discussion or opinion, just links, and very old ones at that. Maybe the randomness of the AI has improved in the last five years?

Good on you for giving the benefit of the doubt. I know not everyone searches before posting. The OP seems more like a vent than an actual call for discussion.
      
GI John
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Re:Rubbish game Wed, 06 December 2017 03:58
It's the nature of the beast.

You have random cards and random dice. There is a lot of chance in the game. However, there is a lot of skill too.

My advice is to play slower and give yourself the time to make intelligent choices with your cards and movement. Your opponent will have to wait.

I would also read the strategy guide. There is a free chapter and it is excellent. I'm thinking I'm going to buy the book.

That being said, you're always going to have bad stretches of cards and dice. For example, I was trying to win the First Assault Wave & the Allies start with only 4 cards. 3 battles in a row I drew the "Dig In" card with my starting hand. So, essentially I'm playing with only 3 cards on one of the hardest maps to win. I lost all three. Dice were bad, cards were bad, difficult map equals no chance.

      
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Re:Rubbish game Wed, 06 December 2017 05:32
I was one of the early skeptics about the randomness of the dice, because they seemed streaky, and I saw so many games where one weird occurrence or another happened.

However, through the ongoing discussions, I learned a couple of things which proved to my satisfaction that the dice are fair:

1. DOW has stated that the dice server only knows how many dice were requested for a particular game ID. It doesn't know who the players are or what the target is.

2. A prolific player named HamonSerrano tabulated dice over thousands of games he played. The frequencies were almost exactly 1/6 per face -- to several decimal places.

If the server doesn't know the player or the target, and the dice roll fair percentages, that means the dice can't be biased.

DOW has stated that the cards are not perfectly random: The computer "shuffles" them in a way that simulates imperfect human shuffling.
      
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Re:Rubbish game Thu, 07 December 2017 00:25
Hi Sam, in your last line you mentioned the computer are we referring playing face to face or on-line?
      
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Re:Rubbish game Thu, 07 December 2017 01:48
The Memoir Online game is distinct from the AI opponent that you might play against. The online game shuffles the cards the same, whether your opponent is carbon-based or silicon-based.
      
    
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