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onyx puffin BAM
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FUSION CUP 2018? Wed, 03 January 2018 21:50
The FUSION CUP 2018

So time to discuss FUSION CUP 2018. (which would begin like the end of February beginning of March)

I personally love the Team competitions here and hope to continue the FUSION Cup dimension. However, due to decreasing numbers, I think we need a format change with FUSION Cup to make it a viable League Cup format.

So I suggest the following for 2018 and welcome your input.

(The FUSION CUP Is so named since this Cup brings a fusion of various maps, and a fusion of skills, and a fusion of nations for a tournament of sizzling games and matches.

1.1 The FUSION Cup Tournament overview: This tournament will be comprised of Two dimensions of the tournament: Round Robin set of games to determine play-off spots (one clash per week). Then the Knock-out Round/Play-offs to determine the champion.

1.2 Each Clash in both the Round Robin time and the Knock-out/Play-offs will include 4 types of matches:

1) A 2 player match of 6 games on the USA map

2) A 2 player match of 6 games on the European Board, or other board agreed upon by the opponents, including a potential AAT format.

3) A 4 player TAG match of 3 games using the TAG rules found in previous years play.

(new for 2018?) 4. A 4 player multi game of 3 games where only the winner gets the victory point. (unlike TAG, there is to be no conversation between teammates)

2.1 Teams may consist of a minimum of 4 players.

2.2 In the spirit of the diversity and fusion meant for this Tournament, we offer the following guideline (not a rule) "Our desire to have diverse teams, hoping for people playing together who did not play on the same Nations Cup team in 2017."

All other rules can be seen and will be written out based on FUSION CUP 2017


I would like FUSION CUP input on the following:
a. I feel the AAT portion kept us from having more teams so I propose eliminating this.

b. IF we drop AAT portion, either we should add the new multi players option giving a new 4th dimension to FUSION, or, we simply go to 3 types of matches (unless we add a 2nd USA 2 player).


Mostly I would like opinions on if we should add the 4th match which is the multi player. Perhaps a 3 clash match would allow for more teams, since adding the multi may mean needing 6 players per week. So biggest question may be if we go to using the multi dimension or simply go to 3 matches, which may allow more teams.

[Updated on: Wed, 03 January 2018 21:54]

      
AWT allan BAM
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Re:FUSION CUP 2018? Thu, 04 January 2018 02:29
Interesting idea of 3x multi games. Let's try some of that for fun. Nicolas21 and I form a team Smile.
      
Flop Kasi
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Re:FUSION CUP 2018? Thu, 04 January 2018 09:47
Hi Onyx,

I'm sure FLOP would play. Perhaps THAT'll be the point, when I change to multi Laughing

Carsten
      
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Re:FUSION CUP 2018? Thu, 04 January 2018 10:59
I think we have the team yet Smile
      
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Re:FUSION CUP 2018? Thu, 04 January 2018 12:52
We could work on NG team .

Interesting idea multi but could be too close to TAG game. I'll never block my mate and will try to block the Others. Ok no talks but sometimes I don't need to talk before.


I understood that EU player must be ready, in case, for AAT . I'm right?


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Re:FUSION CUP 2018? Thu, 04 January 2018 15:12
SuperPello wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 06:52

We could work on NG team .

Interesting idea multi but could be too close to TAG game. I'll never block my mate and will try to block the Others. Ok no talks but sometimes I don't need to talk before.

I understood that EU player must be ready, in case, for AAT . I'm right?
Marco


That EU/AAT I think is the tricky set-up there. I feel like people see the fun in the AAT format, yet some teams may have a person who is only good at Euro. SO what I am thinking is the captains work it out for that slot each week. Let them have the option and trust captains to work it out. (But Probably it is too hopeful on my part about working things out, like I am so hopeful about platform issues)

As for the multi: yes we think we can figure it but so can the other team in that instance. But we will not know for certain.

Biggest question we need to answer is: Do we feel we need a 4th match in the weekly clash, and if so what do we propose?
      
AWT allan BAM
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Re:FUSION CUP 2018? Thu, 04 January 2018 19:27
SuperPello wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 06:52


Interesting idea multi but could be too close to TAG game. I'll never block my mate and will try to block the Others. Ok no talks but sometimes I don't need to talk before.


Marco


Respectfully disagree here. As someone who loves to block, I feel knowing colors my teammate has, and the rough distribution of colors my opponent has is crucial to form my strategy.

Not talking prevents me from knowing my teammates' colors, thus having less information on opponent colors. I know that a very popular TAG strategy is to take two 6ers back to back, not knowing teammate's colors makes this hard to coordinate.

It does create some randomness as you might inadvertently block your teammate Smile.
      
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Re:FUSION CUP 2018? Fri, 05 January 2018 09:08
Hi,

asking my teammates, they like the old format. There are doubts about the multi-Fairness. As I won't be the Multi AND the AAT-player, I don't have any opinion at all, but u need one more player for those games and schedule with 4 players twice a week...

Carsten
      
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Re:FUSION CUP 2018? Fri, 05 January 2018 16:05
Flop Kasi wrote on Fri, 05 January 2018 03:08

Hi,

asking my teammates, they like the old format. There are doubts about the multi-Fairness. As I won't be the Multi AND the AAT-player, I don't have any opinion at all, but u need one more player for those games and schedule with 4 players twice a week...

Carsten

Thanks Carsten,
I was wondering too about need for 6 players if we add the multi dimension in. And I know in multi tournaments, scheduling matches is so tough. Even in this format, it has been a struggle to get a TAG match lined up schedule-wise.

So my follow-up question is for your team: Do people feel we go to 3 match Clash or still try to find add a 4th match dimension?

looking for more ideas, but options right now:
a. keep AAT
b. go to 3 match clash
c. add in 2nd USA 2 player
d. A 4 player multi game of 3 games where only the winner gets the victory point. (unlike TAG, there is to be no conversation between teammates)

To me that is the key question we have to decide over the next month in making plans for FUSION Cup that starts at end of February.
      
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Re:FUSION CUP 2018? Fri, 05 January 2018 16:32
Keep AAT. Smile
      
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Re:FUSION CUP 2018? Fri, 05 January 2018 17:39
What about the old miscellanous US/EU ? (3 US 2p and 3 EU 2p)
      
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Re:FUSION CUP 2018? Sat, 06 January 2018 19:55
"(new for 2018?) 4. A 4 player multi game of 3 games where only the winner gets the victory point. (unlike TAG, there is to be no conversation between teammates)"


So yesterday, 4 of us (allan, nicolas21, billie, & myself) tried out this format. We were all pleasantly surprised at the fun way the game worked. Some notes about this type match.

1. play it unrated

2. We decided to do player A-B-A-B to help it be different from TAG. we did it both ways but kind of feel ABAB is better than ABBA.

3. We found that indeed the strategy was very different from TAG. We learned that since one was not concerned with both scores necessarily, and slamming one opposing teammate, it did have a radically different feel from TAG. More intrigue in the game as played than with TAG since we did not know the other tickets. We had guesses but did not know. (And the games were not nearly as long as most TAG matches)

4. We wondered: if we do not use this as the 4th type match, should we provide this as a captains's choice option teams could pick instead of TAG. So it could be TAG or 4 player multi one winner takes all.

[Updated on: Sat, 06 January 2018 19:56]

      
onyx puffin BAM
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Re:FUSION CUP 2018? Sat, 06 January 2018 20:00
SuperPello wrote on Fri, 05 January 2018 11:39

What about the old miscellanous US/EU ? (3 US 2p and 3 EU 2p)


Since we do not have that many EU players compared to USA, adding this as the other option would mean each team needs 2 EU players. Note we were going back to one all EU match.
      
AWT allan BAM
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Re:FUSION CUP 2018? Sat, 13 January 2018 04:07
If Fusion indeed runs, AWT will have a team, but I might need a multi/tag player as my partner.
      
    
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