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waltero
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Dice players Sat, 22 December 2018 02:43
How much fun is it for you to continue posting (in game chat) the odds? Why do you continue playing a game of dice? this is not eant to be a game of dice.
There is nothing wrong with the dice, it is all about the way you play the game, move, attack, positioning of your units, defensive position etc. It's no fun when somebody is always crying or chatting dice odds and the like.

I especially like it when players declare "That's what won it for you", the 2% dice advantage Laughing

I'm sure it (losing the game) didn't have anything to do with the fact that you ran your infantry units out in the open or when you Played an ambush card against a 4 factor enemy infantry in a fortress.

Those players who are only concered with the dice (always the dice) are not playing this game the way it was meant to be played. This is not a game of dice! so why don't you stop focusing (playing) on the dice and focus on better game play.

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Re:Dice players Sat, 22 December 2018 07:35
Of course it is about the way you play the game, move, attack, positioning of your units, defensive position etc.

And I also do not like "when somebody is always crying or chatting dice odds and the like."

However I do not agree it is not about the dice. M44 is about the dice also (among the above mentioned). The dice can have a great impact on the game and force you to rethink your strategy when you have good or bad luck. It is one of the things I like about the game. In M44 as in real life luck is involved.

When I have won a game I can attribute that to my brilliant strategy, but sometimes I just get a victory handed to me by the dice. I find it good manners to acknowledge that. Especially if I am playing a good players who (in my opinion) played good moves and used his cards well etc.

If I lose I will always try to find where I could have done better. But I have definitely lost some games because of dice averages. I will not bitch and moan about it. It is one of the things I like about M44. For me it represents my troops not being well prepared/trained for this battle (or having had a good party the night before the battle Smile )

So my focus is on getting better and nit on the dice, but dice in M44 do matter in my humble opinion.
      
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Re:Dice players Sat, 22 December 2018 12:34
Luck, whether it be the dice or the hand you are dealt, plays a big factor in M44. However, the strategy comes from how well you can manage that luck. I love the fact that you can have bad cards and still manage to win, or you can have bad dice and still manage to win. Every now and then you can overcome having bad cards and bad dice, but that's a whole lot harder! Smile It's quite a sense of accomplishment if you do!

The luck factor, and managing that luck, is what really draws me to M44. I love trying to figure out how to outsmart my opponent, especially if the "luck" is against me. Besides, the luck gives me a good excuse when I lose. That way, I always have something to blame it on! Smile

I just take the attitude that whenever I win, it's due to my superior strategy and play. Whenever I lose, it's due to bad luck. It helps soothe my fragile M44 ego Wink
      
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Re:Dice players Sun, 23 December 2018 04:14
That's just it, many players tend to allow the dice to influence their game play.
I'm no longer bothered by good or bad dice, I rarely ever look at the dice rolls/stats anymore. I think this game would play better if the Battles weren't represented by "Dice". Any complaints that the dice are out of whack, unfair, too streaky, or disadvantage are really just constructs we make up in our head due to our pattern seeking brains unable to comprehend randomness.
How many games of M44 do you have to play before you realize score is totally irrelevant?
How many games (2,300) do you have to have under your belt before you don't even consider the dice, at all?
I'm not talking about any single game. I'm talking about the game itself. Sure, we all have played games where we just give up and no longer care about anything other than getting it over with. You might charge out into the open not caring about the dice or even firing on enemy units. You might just pick a card and hit end, trying to make a point that this game is done.
I say it is better not to even consider dice! By so doing you are able to see moves and execute moves that you normally wouldn't see much less do.
Getting frazzled takes a big toll on your game play. Try playing a few games without even acknowledge dice.
For me, this game doesn't have dice.
It doesn't have to be dice, it better to think in terms of; What's the odds of this move getting executed properly, can I achieve a retreat on this or that unit, how can I ensure that I will be able to eliminate a unit that is my biggest threat etc.
Play the game, have fun with it or play with the dice and continue to be frustrated.
      
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Re:Dice players Sun, 23 December 2018 17:42
From studying my game history, I view Memoir as about 70% skill and 30% luck.

Sometimes, you can do all the right things, but the dice don't cooperate. Sometimes, a beginner with no strategy will defeat a top player. But the more often you do the right things, the likelier it is that you'll win.

However, the raw dice percentages can be very misleading. On 30 rolls, the difference between an average 50% and a dismal 33% is only 5 hits. And eliminating a unit early, before it has a chance to hurt you, can be more valuable than if those same 3-4 hits came later.
      
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Re:Dice players Mon, 24 December 2018 02:08
If your a player who is always worried (bringing up, declaring or just trying to blame it on the dice) about the dice then this is for you.
Lose the dice, try not to think about the dice. I understand that what I am saying won't make any sense to most of you but I will say it again IGNOR THE DIE!

You can have great fun win or lose by not always paying attention to the odds. If you see a good move go with it. It is not always about how many kills you achieve.
For instance; If you know your going to lose a game and you want to still have fun, try having fun and make a play any play.
that might aggravate or manipulate your opponent. Not just running out in the open screaming DIE DIE everybody just DIEEE!
Try to visualize a maneuver and go with it.
I remember one game where I was down 0 to 5 and I was against the wall, nothing I could do for my desperate units on my right flank. So I kept targeting (sure I had better moves) my enemy's main unit (the one that could do the most damage on my right flank), just to try and get him to retreat one hex (with one die).
It worked, he kept advancing and I kept on retreating him, behind woods that was blocking easy advance. Soon it became an Issue, He was furious. He could not focus on anything else but getting that unit to the front (it was the easiest path to victory for him...or was it;-)
the rest is History. I lost but I had a good laugh.
Sure we all give up at times but one should not give up so easily. Players who are prone to quote the dice are more easily apt to give up.
Played more than a few games where I was down 0-1 to 4-5 and pulled off a win.
Might be worth looking into, stop quoting the dice and play the game?
This is a game of Skill and daring, Skill and daring.

Have Fun



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Re:Dice players Mon, 24 December 2018 15:59
Ok, that I get. Totally with you there.

And then it is not only the dice but also the cards to moan about.

I do agree that people who focus on the dice and cards and get frustrated by them do usually forget to focus on the best moves and plays.
      
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Re:Dice players Tue, 25 December 2018 10:17
So you are saying that I should stop buying lotery tickets when I win memoir games? Cool Laughing
      
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Re:Dice players Wed, 26 December 2018 09:42
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Re:Dice players Wed, 02 January 2019 20:59
Jeronimon wrote on Sat, 22 December 2018 01:35

... For me it represents my troops not being well prepared/trained for this battle (or having had a good party the night before the battle Smile...


Very Happy Ah yes! The good party the night before the battle.Seems to me it was about this time of year when George Washington crossed the Delaware River before the Battle of Trenton. Some Hessians never learn!

Don
      
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Re:Dice players Wed, 20 May 2020 22:02
Is it only the lifers that cry and moan about the dice?
Show us your crying skillz! More skill and less moaning please.

You Dice players are no fun, you take the joy out of this game.

It would have been better if  online M'44 didn't display the dice.

[Updated on: Sat, 23 May 2020 18:13]

      
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Re:Dice players Mon, 25 May 2020 18:58
Might I suggest quit whining while typing dice results over the radio. Don't think of it as a Probability problem on dice. The problem is all you...why don't you declare the dice probability (1-12, 7-8,  8-8 etc.) hit factor before the battle dice are rolled...That way you might gain a better understand of  what  you are doing (talking about).

Note; after such an attack (see below) I received a radio message "7-8"...why do you whine, you were lucky, "one of your units survived".

 
Example:  An air strike firing on 4, two factor Infantry units that are up against  the wall (no retreat), What do you think is going to happen? Instead of declaring (1-8, 7-8, 8-8 etc..) the dice roll 'after' the Battle do it before (when moving units) the battle...that way you will know that your guys "probability" going to Die! Air strike against infantry units that are up against the wall will automatically be eliminated, The Probability of attacker getting a miss in ONE ROLL is (1/6)...consider that. 


Think not what the dice can do for you - think what you can do for the dice. Don't get in the Habit of looking at the dice, they aren't attack dice only.

[Updated on: Sat, 08 August 2020 22:29]

      
    
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