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ajury
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Leveling play with different levels of players. Tue, 04 October 2005 02:43
Hi has anyone experimented with handicapping players? I play online a fair amount and tend to win when playing family. I am no where near one of the best online players but Im pretty good in my family and friends.

Does anyone have a suggestion for a game that has simple rules like this great game and is fun to play?

I actually wish I had not played online so much now. I actually got my 60 year old mother to learn the game as well as my game disdaining wife, now they dont really like to play me. I cant blame them.

Anyway suggestions are welcome.

And while I block on line I follow the advise of a very smart fellow on the board, I dont block anyone that knows where I sleep!

Thanks Art.
      
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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Tue, 04 October 2005 05:19
Citadels is one of my favorites. Can play from 2 - 8 people and it only costs about $12. It's a card game with the object of building a city with the most amount dollars in construction of the buildings. Very fun game with choosing of characters each turn. They all have variable abilities including assassinating another character, stealing their money, trading cards or receiving additional gold for bulding vertain types of buildings. And you never know which character a person will be as the selection process prevents it. Very clever and fun game.
      
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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Tue, 04 October 2005 07:14
Gang of Four? I have yet to see someone who can't pick it up on their first game. Everyone loves that game, too, even my friends who never play games.

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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Tue, 04 October 2005 10:59
ajury wrote on Tue, 04 October 2005 03:43

Does anyone have a suggestion for a game that has simple rules like this great game and is fun to play?

There are a lot of great boardgames there. I have different games that I play with boardgaming friends than what I play with our non-gamer guests. So maybe the games what I play with the latter group, is what you are looking for.

The suggestion of thekid, "Citadels", is a great game and although it is a quite easy to learn in my opinion, some of our friends have tought it to be too complex.

The game what we play mostly with non-gamer friends is called "Bohnanza". All our guests have seemed to love it. It is a easy-to-learn card game with good looking cards and funny theme "growing beans".

I like a lot the playing mechanics of the newest DoW game "Shadows over Camelot": co-operative playing.

Other good easy-to-learn games that I like are for example: Alhambra, Guillotine, The Settlers of Catan, Big City, Coloretto, Roborally, Pirate's Cove (a DoW game), Carcassone, For Sale and Cartagena.

Or if you like the train theme there is "TransAmerica" too. It is nice and light game, not as good as TtR in my opinion, but fun to play too.

And as ElSoyo said, Gang of Four is a good game. I have played it online (thanks for game today ElSoyo and Thadd) and I am planning to buy it too.
      
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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Tue, 04 October 2005 13:47
Some of my favs have already been listed but here are mine in order:

Ticket to Ride (of course) Very Happy
Princes of Florence
Puerto Rico/San Juan
Queen's Necklace (great game of DoW but not enough players online!!)
El Grande
Samurai
Settlers of Catan
Carcassonne
Citadels

The fun thing is to turn other couples into 'gamers', because most likely they will have never played these on their own. Some of them are only to be found in specialty gamestores or online somewhere. That is what happened to Kim and I, through some 'gamer' friends of ours. Don't start with Puerto Rico or Princes... Start them out on Settlers, TTR or some other fairly 'easy to learn' game, then build on that.

As far as your original question, IMO probably the easiest game to learn that is both easy to learn and fun like TTR but not too 'cut-throat' would be Settlers. Because of the dynamics there is very little time where you are not playing, even when it's someone else's turn, which is very fun. The only cut-throat aspect would be the robber but that's pretty minimal.


SKM






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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Tue, 04 October 2005 14:00
"Citadelles" is a great game! And a french one! (even if the autor says a german game, "Verraeter", inspired him).
Your guest may love it from the first game.
The trick of the game (play a role each turn) is really new and clever. Strategy is there, but fun and trash talking also.
It is much more fun for 5 and + players (probably boring at 2 or 3).

Very good topic to find new games. I will test Pilke's and SKM's propositions (I just played Carcassonne, which is good but not that top).

I recommand funny "La vallée des Mammouths" (don't know international name), which is a funny variation of the best seller Settlers of Catan, too serious. But this would not be my first choice.

A good strategy to choose a good one is to check the label "www.spiel-des-jahres.de". (germans are all old childrens...)

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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Tue, 04 October 2005 14:31
I thought i knew most of the games that are available in Holland, but I've read many gamenames i never heard off. maybe I have to do some good gameshopping the next time I am in America;-).

My favourites are:
Setllers of the prehistory
Carcasonne
Puerto Rico
El Grande
Atilla

And ofcourse to play with the grandparents: memory

Next week I will go and play the boardgame of Civilization. Did anybody play that yet and if so: is it fun? (I've been addicted to the computergame for a while)

Pur,
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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Tue, 04 October 2005 16:44
Hi

Rode katers schrieb am Tue, 04 October 2005 14:31

I thought i knew most of the games that are available in Holland, but I've read many gamenames i never heard off. maybe I have to do some good gameshopping the next time I am in America;-).


Tsts, come to germany. We have a big tradition of board gaming too Smile

Rode katers schrieb am Tue, 04 October 2005 14:31

Next week I will go and play the boardgame of Civilization. Did anybody play that yet and if so: is it fun? (I've been addicted to the computergame for a while)

Funny funny Smile
First: The computer game has nothing to do with the board game!
Second: Do you have a weekend free? Civi is a game for 3 to 7 players with 12 to 18 hours playtime. No kidding. I played it 3 times and it IS fun, but we finished only one time...
Really complex game in the tradition of Brittanica or Axis & Allies. I love it.

      
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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Tue, 04 October 2005 18:00
Civilization is a great game! Its kind of "Settlers of Catan for advancers" Wink.

But as erps said, you need much time to play it. If everybody knows the rules, a three-player session needs about 6 hours! And its much more fun to play it 5-7 players!

My favorite games:
RISK (Lord of the Rings)
Civilization
Settlers of Catan (first of all the "Space" edition)
Carcassonne
Da Vinci Code
A german card game called "Doppelkopf" (engl. twin-head)
Wizard (card game)

Cheers
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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Wed, 05 October 2005 06:32
Rode katers wrote on Tue, 04 October 2005 22:31

Next week I will go and play the boardgame of Civilization. Did anybody play that yet and if so: is it fun? (I've been addicted to the computergame for a while)

Which one?

There's quite a lineage involved there. The original Civilization boardgame inspired a computer game, also called Civilization. Eventually, a boardgame loosely based on the computer game was created, still called Civilization or, often, "Sid Meier's Civilization" (thus distinguishing it from the previous game).

The original Civilization boardgame also had an expansion, Advanced Civilization. Another computer game was based on that, and still called Advanced Civilization. Unlike the Civilization computer game, the Advanced Civilization computer game was a fairly close copy of the boardgame on which it was based.

Of all the versions of the game, I prefer Advanced Civilization. Sid Meier's Civilization is, IMO, the bottom of the heap.

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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Wed, 05 October 2005 07:08
Wow thanks for all the great answers. We might try Settler's of Catan. We definately need short games (30 to 40 min tops) as we have young children and keeping them busy for more than that is to much of a chore. In a few years they will be able to play with us. Biggest problem with Settler's is that it is not very playable for 2.

One of the things that helped greatly with Ticket to Ride was few rules (if its more than 2 pages forget it) and quick play.

Thanks again. Art sahd for Arthur (6) plays ticket to ride! and JT (3) wants to play!
      
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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Wed, 05 October 2005 10:32
30 to 40 minutes is VERY short for a boardgame. Catane lasts easily three times that.

If you want short, there is Clans. We chose it because it recieved a german prize (nominated for Spiel des Jahres or something) and the mechanism is different from other games, and we like trying different things.

The rules are very simple. There's only one thing you can do per turn: move people from one village to another. Still the strategy behind it can be complex.

On the plus side: it's simple, it's fast.
On the minus side: we find it boring in the end, but you might like it. We don't play it anymore, nor feel a desire to play it. For short games, we now use TTR.

Another game we tried recently is Santiago. Surprisingly, we found it annoying after a couple of games, but want to give it another chance now. The mechanism is also very simple, with complex implications. I don't remember how fast is it. It's not too long but I'm not sure it's short either.
      
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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Wed, 05 October 2005 11:46
Talking about simple and fun games, I have to mention "Koehandel"/"Kuhhandel" (I don't know the English name, directly translated it would be something like "trading cows").

One has to trade farm animals, all with different values. The goal is to collect four of a kind (as many as you can). Everyone takes turns in leading the auction. The auctioneer (is this English? Confused) gets the money paid for the animal and uses it for later purchases. The fun part is that the auctioneer has the option to bid on opponents' animals by shoving an amount of money (= cards) face-down to his side. This opponent can counter this with his bid. The ownership of the money changes, the ownership of the animal only changes if the auctioneer bids more.

You either love or hate this game; I belong to the former group.
      
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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Wed, 05 October 2005 12:23
Hi Bassie,

i am not surprised this type of game is succesful in the Netherlands. I am sales rep and the toughest buyers I never "played" were always from your orange country. Perhaps negociation is in your gens.
See you next week in NC around some orange juices. Twisted Evil
      
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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Wed, 05 October 2005 14:32
Laughing Laughing Laughing
I think you know us very well... I will pray for you that Elric knows me very well too so you will not end up at the same board as me... Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
      
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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Wed, 05 October 2005 18:55
travisjhall wrote on Wed, 05 October 2005 06:32[/quote


Which one?



I think it is the one that is on the bottom of your heap, Sid Meier's Civilization.

We planned to play for an evening so I really do hope it doesn't take the 12 to 18 hours erps said. I hate not finnishing games. But we'll see.

And bassie is right Kuhhandel is great.

pur,
rode katers
      
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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Wed, 05 October 2005 20:20
bassie écrit le Wed, 05 October 2005 14:32

Laughing Laughing Laughing
I think you know us very well... I will pray for you that Elric knows me very well too so you will not end up at the same board as me... Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

Hi bassie...
I don't understand very well, because how could I know where you will be for the next round, in which board ?????!!!!! But, in fact, there is no problem with that... I know that toutoune can win against any player... even you !!!! Cool
      
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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Wed, 05 October 2005 22:36
Rode katers schrieb am Wed, 05 October 2005 18:55


I think it is the one that is on the bottom of your heap, Sid Meier's Civilization.

We planned to play for an evening so I really do hope it doesn't take the 12 to 18 hours erps said. I hate not finnishing games. But we'll see.


I don't know anything about the boardgame adaption of Sid Meier's Civ... And i played only Advanced Civilization because it is much more better than the standard game. But without knowing the rules and more than 5 players, this game take 15 hours. Believe me Smile
All the players in one of our matches knew the rules and we had self made handouts -> duration 18 hours Shocked

Have a look Rolling Eyes
http://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~erps/civi/

bye, erps
      
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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Fri, 07 October 2005 05:36
Rode katers wrote on Thu, 06 October 2005 02:55

I think it is the one that is on the bottom of your heap, Sid Meier's Civilization.

We planned to play for an evening so I really do hope it doesn't take the 12 to 18 hours erps said. I hate not finnishing games.

It is Advanced Civilization which can take over 12 hours to play. (It is usually considered a little longer than the basic Civilization game, which is also a very long game. Advanced Civilization can be played in a shorter time, but the players have to work at doing that.) Sid Meier's Civilization is also a long game, but not comparable to Advanced Civilization. BoardGameGeek estimates about three hours for Sid Meier's Civilization.

I recommend you take a look at www.boardgamegeek.com. There's a lot of very good information about boardgames generally over there. Here on the DoW website, there is a definite (and understandable) bias towards discussing DoW games.
      
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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Fri, 07 October 2005 06:51
Hi
I just had to add my two cents because we have similar issues at our house. We love TTR for all the reasons you mentioned, but my husband feels that my son and I have gotten too good.

However, we are a big family of gamers... I learned to play poker at my great-grandma's knee and there have been all night marathons involving various family members with Risk.

For multi-generational play (including our youngest who is 4 and adds an indefineable element of surprise and unusual strategies, not to mention downright cheating at times and my grandmother who can do many of the same things ) we like Rich Man Poor Man aka President, Phase 10 (cards) Pit and Balderdash ( a word game that with very little modification even the young ones can play).

And if you are looking for games that won't bore you to tears with little ones try Maask ( a beautifully designed game that I cannot win when I play my daughter, since she steals (legally) every piece I manage to win) , Ratatat Cat and Mastermind (which is a great introduction to the deductive reasoning needed for the more sophisticated games mentioned in the above posts).

Hope you find some winners for your family.
      
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Re:Leveling play with different levels of players. Sun, 09 October 2005 07:55
Well we are all winners. I started on Canasta and bridge also D & D when it was just 3 little books.

Main problem is finding a game Grandma can play online it took me a while to get her to play T2R online (she lives 5hrs away from us, and would often play T2R alone she likes the game so much!)

I agree with the earlier comment that 20min is short, in a few years I should be able to lengthen it but for now......

Uno is a fun game, we vary it to practice addition and my 6 year old enjoys it.

We tried Kids of Catan and it is to much of a random dice game to be interesting. Wonderful set up and nice pieces just not a great game. The Amazing Labyrinth is a favorite around here as is dominos.

Thanks for all the great suggestions.
      
    
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