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Photios
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WW14 FINAL ROUND Mon, 12 August 2019 12:09
The time for launching final round has come (although not many people are playing at this time of the year)

Quite unexpectedly most maps voted were Eastern Front! I should have asked you to give choices from various maps to avoid the difficult decision I had to make.

Only 2 maps got 3 votes:
Stalingrad the last docks from Eastern (deepnet, misterfunny & Big Taz)
& Battle of Tilly-sur-Seulles from Western (lucky91, Big Taz & Photios)

As I wanted each of the 3 maps to belong to a different Front, I had to reject some nice maps with 2 votes like Combats dans Belgrade, Berlin, Battle of Leshnov & Objectif Konigsberg as they belong to Eastern Front. Additionally, Junior72 has voted in favor of any map with 3 stars, which was an extra tie-breaker to consider (so, no chance for Leshnov & Konigsberg).

Thus I had to decide between maps from either the Pacific or the Mediterranean Fronts: Battle of Lake Khasan - Action 1 (Titanos & thina67) & Attack on Tobruk (Big Taz & Photios).
I opted for the first as Big Taz and me have already one of our favorite maps, however it is unbalanced (77% for the Axis) and has Commissar rule.

Sorry, donut & KeLian_05 that none of your maps qualified for the final round.

As there is no hurry to start before September, I would ask you to advise me on the last choice: does anyone have strong feelings against Lake Khasan? If 3 players tell me that they wouldn't like this map for any reason, we will fight on Tobruk (unless of course there are 3 other players with strong feelings against Tobruk!). Please write your opinon in this thread or in a pm.

Schedules are already posted in Googledocs:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12AbBeaDWTZC6bqYVKCBD xL5H6nF1EppFZXMT6nSfzDc/edit?

So you may start scheduling: deadline on Oct 29th (to allow 2-3 days in case a substitute be required); if you need to schedule on Oct 30 or 31,please inform me one week in advance

[Updated on: Mon, 12 August 2019 12:14]

      
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Re:WW14 FINAL ROUND Mon, 12 August 2019 16:13
Well i don't know for the others, but play Pacific Maps where you can score half your medals in one/two turns if you get good cards is not a pleasure for me, especially in tournaments.

For my case, i found Attack on Tobruk far more interesting than the Battle at Lake Khasan. Hope more of my fellow game partner feel the same so we can change this map for the map pool ! Smile
      
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Re:WW14 FINAL ROUND Tue, 13 August 2019 19:09
I'm agree with Kelian05

I prefer Tobruk vs Khasan

And sorry, but i have no access with the link.
this is the message which appear : "i have to ask the necessary autorisation"....

[Updated on: Tue, 13 August 2019 19:12]

      
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Re:WW14 FINAL ROUND Tue, 13 August 2019 22:15
I prefer also Tobruk Smile
      
Photios
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Re:WW14 FINAL ROUND Wed, 14 August 2019 13:40
@ Junior72:
there must be somewhere where you may ask for authorization, because this is a necessary step if you hadn't asked already during preliminary round

With 3 negative votes on Khasan, we will change to Tobruk unless there are 3 votes insisting on Khasan by next Monday when my vacations are over

You may start scheduling and even play the first 2 maps and post in this thread. Next week the relevant Excel sheet will be published.

Same format for posting;for each game and each player: medals, objectives, tanks & atillery. Please in this order and add the link of each match to double-check

[Updated on: Sun, 08 September 2019 12:26]

      
Photios
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Re:WW14 FINAL ROUND Tue, 20 August 2019 17:38
Dear finalists,
very happy to announce that spreadsheets are set. So there's nothing to keep us from battling. May the best (and luckiest?) win!!!

spreadsheets here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15buukaBhCth5HX0kc4Kt BTnYxsEPuzN_C_wdYtYNfRc/edit#gid=616146687

Schedule here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12AbBeaDWTZC6bqYVKCBD xL5H6nF1EppFZXMT6nSfzDc/edit#gid=81317373


Allow me to remind you that we should be done by last week of October 2019. In case you are not done by Oct 20th, but you have scheduled your remaining game(s) for later, please inform me with a pm.
In the unlikely event that a game has not been played by Oct 20th and there is difficulty in scheduling, again inform me ASAP; we wouldn't like to have substitutes in the Final Round.
      
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Re:WW14 FINAL ROUND Wed, 28 August 2019 15:52
Match sur la bataille de Tilly/Seulles :

Junior72 - Lucky91 : 10-10 (3-7 / 7-3)
Tanks: 4-6
Guns : 1-0

the games :
https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/fr/battle/?id=7 3555543

https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/fr/battle/?id=7 3555994

Score moyen pour nous 2 Sad

Lucky a eu de bons dés à l'aller et moi moins...
J'ai eu de bonnes cartes au retour et Lucky moins...
Bref, l'axe a balayé 2 fois les alliés, qui n'ont pas pu prendre beaucoup de médaille ni d'objectifs (et donc pas de points bonus...).

Heureusement, je vais jouer Titanos et Misterfunny. Je vais me rattraper. Ah ah ah Twisted Evil
      
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Re:WW14 FINAL ROUND Thu, 05 September 2019 00:07
PLease check purple comments in

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12AbBeaDWTZC6bqYVKCBD xL5H6nF1EppFZXMT6nSfzDc/edit#gid=81317373

to see who starts
      
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Re:WW14 FINAL ROUND Thu, 05 September 2019 11:19
WW14
Good Morning, results for "Last Docks"


Misterfunny vs Photios

Game 1
Misterfunny (Allies) 11 medals - 32 figures / Photios (Axis) 5 medals - 31 figures
Misterfunny: obj 3 tank 4 art 0
Photios: obj 0 tank 1 art 0

https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/fr/battle/?id=7 3707130#replay:turn=1

Game 2
Misterfunny (Axis) 6 medals - 32 figures / Photios (Allies) 11 medals - 36 figures
Misterfunny : obj 0 tank 1 art 0
Photios : obj 3 tank 4 art 1

https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/fr/battle/?id=7 3707676#replay:turn=1

Total
Misterfunny vs Photios 17-16 games 1-1
Misterfunny : obj 3 tank 5 art 0
Photios : obj 3 tank 5 art 1

It was a honour and pleasure to play with you and good luck for your next match.
Misterfunny
      
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Re:WW14 FINAL ROUND Fri, 06 September 2019 17:56
Results for "Stalingrad - Last Docks" : Junior72 vs Titanos

Game 1
Junior72 (Allied) 11 medals - 39 fig / Titanos (Axis) 7 medals - 29 fig
Junior72 : obj 2 tank 2 gun 1
Titanos : obj 1 tank 1 gun 0

https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/fr/battle/?id=7 3723679

We had both good cards, but my dice were incredible to destroy Titanos's units.

Game 2
Junior72 (Axis) 11 medals - 44 fig / Titanos (Allied) 10 medals - 31 fig
Junior72 : obj 3 tank 1 gun 0
Titanos : obj 2 tank 3 gun 1

https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/fr/battle/?id=7 3724523

A very close game, but my central attack was the key of the match. I finished finally with the "2 medals" objectif (with germans for the docks).

Total :
Junior72 vs Titanos : 22-17 games 2-0
Junior72 : obj 5 tank 3 gun 1
Titanos : obj 3 tank 4 gun 1

It's always very nice to play with the Master, Titanos.
Good luck for your next match !
      
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Re:WW14 FINAL ROUND Fri, 06 September 2019 21:21
Junior72 écrit le Fri, 06 September 2019 17:56

Results for "Stalingrad - Last Docks" : Junior72 vs Titanos

A very close game, but my central attack was the key of the match. I finished finally with the "2 medals" objectif (with germans for the docks).




@ Photios,

Does the docks count for 1 or 2 objectives for the Axis ?
It gives 2 medals to the german side if they occupy 1 hex of the hills.
Does it gives 1 or 2 objectives in the final result ?

Please clarify

BT
      
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Re:WW14 FINAL ROUND Sat, 07 September 2019 16:43
Congratulations to Junior72; he seems to aim for 90+!
Unless misterfunny does sopmethiung to stop him, let's see who will catch him!


@BT
Thanks for your apt remark!

Obviously you saw the replay of Game 2: in last turn, only 1 objective was added at the end to Junio72. At first, I thought this was due to the infamous "sniper bug" of replay.

However, if one observes the finishing map (turn 37) both Titanos' (Allies) snipers are there. I double-checked the whole replay and indeed Junior had never managed to eliminate any sniper.

So, in the penultimate turn, Junior had 10 medals; exactly as shown in the replay. Then he claimed the hill moving up to 11 and ending the game.

This case is NOT "Position Control", so Junior will get only 1 of the 2 medals and not both of them. I don't remember where this is stated, but it is clear that if one player gets more medals than required in their last turn, their final score can't be higher than the maximum number of medals required by a scenario. So Juniuor won't get 12 medals, and, by the same token, he won't get 3 objectives

Axis finishes Game 2 with 11 medals, including 2 rather than 3 objectives, namely exactly as shown in replay scoreboard. Thus, the total is 4 objectives instead of 5 (already correct in Google spreadsheets)

[Updated on: Sat, 07 September 2019 17:10]

      
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Re:WW14 FINAL ROUND Sun, 08 September 2019 00:06
@ Photios,

My question was a basic question : does the "hill objective" on the docks count for 1 point "objective" or 2 points "objective" ?

In fact, the take of one hex gives 2 medals on the scoreboard (but only 1 if the player has already reached 10 medals in the game, like Junior did).

The best and the most equal for all players is maybe to consider that the take of 1 hex hills by the Germans count as 1 "point objective in the results spreadsheet".
In fact 2 medals of the 11 needed medals to win the game, but only 1 objective for the objective's counting (the hills hex is one objective that gives 2 medals).

BT
      
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Re:WW14 FINAL ROUND Sun, 08 September 2019 08:10
Sorry, i have counted the value in medals, and not the number of medals, because i thought that was the spirit of the game to reach objectives and especially difficult objectives.

As Big Taz says, if you choose the number of medals, no pb for me.
      
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Re:WW14 FINAL ROUND Sun, 08 September 2019 12:15
@ Big Taz
OK I see what you meant; so after all this was a general question. I think this would be tedious to apply. Let's better stick to the way the scoreboard preesents it. So if Axis claims the hill it's 2 medals AND 2 objectives for a total of 3.333 points in WW14 format.

So it double-worth it to take it as Axis and defend it as Allies.

Junior's case was a different one; I hope explanation above suffices (I will check it anyway in all games)

[Updated on: Sun, 08 September 2019 12:16]

      
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Re:WW14 FINAL ROUND Sun, 08 September 2019 17:43
ATTACK ON TOBRUK

Please do NOT play the FFM44 version, as both medals are temporary.
In the other version (author: sbchurchill) one objective is permanent (the one next to the artillery, closer to Allies left / Axis right section); the other is temporary.

[Updated on: Wed, 11 September 2019 20:19]

      
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Re:WW14 FINAL ROUND Mon, 16 September 2019 16:19
ATTACK ON TOBRUK
Photios - deepnet 2-0 med14-10 obj1-0 tnk8-4 art0-0

Photios (Allies) - deepnet (Axis) 7-5 obj0-0 tanks5-1 art0-0 in24 turns 30/58(52%) vs. 26/57(46%) [against tanks 17/33(52%) vs. 6/11(55%)]
https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/enbattle/?id=73 907648
Axis attacked from center and then a right assault moed 8 units but only 3/4 shots. Allies responded with a devastating air power that killed 6/8 tanks! So string position but reduced units. a long battle started that resulted in Allies eventually eliminated all 4 of this initially educed tank units, in inky 2 more turns: score at 5-2! deepnet's plan was torn to pieces. He started playing more carefully, but a 3/4 shot against a tank gave me the 6th medal in turn 12 (6-3), so things became too hard for Axis. Then he started pulling back his reduced units to stay in the game; Allies brought forward the artillery, so Axis decided to use the Barrage to get rid of the artillery; only succeeded to push it back protecting the reduced units. Thus I decided to risk moving forward a tank and attack a full strength infantry: down to 2fig at turn 22. The tank survived a firefight even if reduced to 1fig (as he had no right card to try and hide this 4th reduced unit). At last turn, my only good card was a TFH, so it was all or nothing (chances were too high for deepnet to win in his next turn); I got 3 orders including a star for the artillery. 2 orders were enough to eliminate the 2fig infantry unit.

Photios (Axis) - deepnet (Allies) 7-5 obj1-0 tanks3-3 art0-0 in13 turns 22/46(48%) vs. 24/59(41%)
https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/battle/?id=7 3908309
A very close game where I played at the edge of my cards, with the consequence of running out from both central and left cards! But in any turn I had at least one card to play, but was risking the possibility of sustaining my attack there. In turn 6, deepnet's Armor Assault brought the score to 2-4 and I was afraid I would lose both game and match. BUt I had BEL from the beginning so I knew I needed to get 5 medals and then chances were in my favor. I was lucky to survive some crucial attack (eg 0/6 against a single inf in turn 4 and then 0/3 on another single inf in turn 10!). so with the score at 5-5, deepnet had to decide whether he would attack with his single right section card (a probe, as I had the 2 Assaults and 1 attack, so I knew he couldn't have a good right card) at two reduced infantry units (3d on 1 & 3d on2) or save one of his single infantries with Medics. Had he known i have BEL probably he would attack. He gained only one units and got 1/3, so my unit survived, and then this single inf eliminated his 2-fig inf and claimed the objective to end at 7-5.
      
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Re:WW14 FINAL ROUND Tue, 17 September 2019 15:14
Results for "Attack on Tobrouk" : Junior72 vs Misterfunny

Game 1
Junior72 (Axis) 7 medals - 25 fig / Misterfunny (Allied) 5 medals - 20 fig
Junior72 : obj 0 tank 2 gun 1
misterfunny : obj 0 tank 3 gun 0

https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/fr/battle/?id=7 3932239

Game 2
Junior72 (Allied) 7 medals - 32 fig / Misterfunny (Axis) 5 medals - 27 fig
Junior72 : obj 0 tank 5 gun 0
misterfunny : obj 0 tank 3 gun 0

https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/fr/battle/?id=7 3932814

In the two games, Misterfunny hits only 20% vs my tanks : 12/55 and 9/44. This is the key of the match.

Total :
Junior72 vs Misterunny : 14-10 games 2-0
Junior72 : obj 0 tank 7 gun 1
Misterfunny : obj 0 tank 6 gun 0

It's always very nice to play with a great opponent like Misterfunny.
Good luck for your last match !
      
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Re:WW14 FINAL ROUND Tue, 17 September 2019 18:18
98,50!!

time to start looking for the 2nd?
      
    
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