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FreeFragUK
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  Reprint of major expansions... When? Thu, 17 October 2019 14:52
First of all I'd like to preface this by apologising to the community for yet another one of these posts. I realise these posts pop up frequently but that in and of itself should be an indicator of an issue.

As it stands I've been waiting months for any one of the number of shops I'm monitoring to receive stock for the Pacific Theatre expansion and the Breakthrough expansion.

I doubt it'll happen but there needs to be an update or announcement for when the various expansions will receive a reprint and distribution.

I've been able to communicate directly with the European side of the business and even they don't know when they'll be seeing more stock as they're waiting on the American side to sort it. This is simply ridiculous.

I love Memoir and I realise I've not been around anywhere near as long as some but this game is almost impossible to recommend when the support clearly isn't there from the manufacturer/distributor.

There have been a number of missed opportunities this year for anniversary releases of expansions which normally aren't reprinted. These same opportunities were the perfect chance to try draw in new players and instead it was met with silence.

As it stands the situation is truly disappointing. I have had one of the paper expansions (Khalkin Ghol?) for months now and haven't been able to use it due to lack of product availability. I've even been monitoring the second hand market with no success.

For a game that is supposedly in print, it looks an awful lot like we're facing a very different situation.

[Updated on: Fri, 18 October 2019 00:27]

      
Jeronimon
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Re:Reprint of major expansions... When? Fri, 18 October 2019 00:01
I understand your frustration, but I do not understand why you post this.

We know the base game is reprinted frequently.
We know some of the expansions will be reprinted (but the waiting time is years not months)
We know some of the expansions will never be reprinted.

We do not know when some stuff will be reprinted and asking for it has never gotten an answer from Days of Wonder or Asmodee.

We also know the game has not been abandoned by Day of Wonder.
They still support and help out with tournaments.
They still release expansions for the game (after 15 years) albeit not as frequently as we would like.
The community is still growing (more players for tournaments and more tournaments)

Al of the above (your post and mine) has been stated and restated numerous times.

What do you hope to accomplish by stating it again.


I will answer the question why I restated some of it: I see a 15 year old game still getting love from the company that launched all those years ago, I see a designer still supporting the game, I see a still growing community around this game.

What I also see is some players complaining that they do not have immediate acces to all facets of the game at the time they want it. It seems that Days of Wonder/Asmodee is not willing to invest a lot of money for a demand that might be there. If we want to get more people demanding this game and making more prints more profitable for the company, then we should be out here demonstrating the game to newcomers and getting more people to play it and keeping the ons that are playing on board and playing even more.

Get out there and recruit! Get out there and play!


      
FreeFragUK
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Re:Reprint of major expansions... When? Fri, 18 October 2019 07:55
Hi Jeronimon,

Thank you for your response. The reason I made my post was to try and raise further awareness with the manufacturer/distributor of an ongoing issue(s) which effects the community on multiple levels. Admittedly this is perhaps a naive attempt, and admittedly I clearly have my own motivations, but I felt it worth the attempt nonetheless.

While it's all well and good maintaining availability of the base game the fact that there are potentially years between production runs on the core expansions/supporting products is simply ludicrous. I could understand limiting production runs to quarterly or even 6 monthly cycles but for it to take years is just mind boggling.

Admittedly a response from DoW/Asmodee would be fantastic but realistically it's not expected, especially based on the level of ongoing silence shown on these boards. Some level of communication with the community, especially given the large array of available options, shouldn't be outside of the norm though.

I never stated that the game has been abandoned. I simply stated that the level of visible support to a lot of people looking at making the jump could potentially make it seem as though things are essentially on life-support/in a holding pattern.

I think it's fantastic that they still support the game and help out with tournaments but personally I've seen very little of this reported on any of the boards I'm associated with. It's not unusual for companies to offer this kind of support though and many offer it in much more visible ways.

The continued release of new expansions is definitely welcome but when many of these are reliant on other expansions to function this generates an issue, at least when the availability of said expansions simply isn't there. I can appreciate that the game has been around for 15 years or so but Memoir does not stand alone when it comes to being supporting for many years after release. Admittedly there are a significant number of titles which do not receive any support or which disappear into the ether, so while this support is laudable, it is by no means a rarity.

This isn't a case of complaining about lack of "immediate access", there are many players out there searching for this content who simply cannot obtain it and there are certainly those who have been searching for longer than me. I've been looking for nearly half a year now, and while this is effectively just over a quarter due to when I jumped into the game, the fact that there's be no news on any level in relation to product availability is pretty poor.

I can appreciate the fact that the wargaming commuinty is relatively small and a niche one but this doesn't escape the fact that games live and die based on product availability. I know I'm not the first person to make this argument and the sad fact is probably won't be the last.

It's all well and good making grand statements such as "we should be out here demonstrating the game to newcomers and getting more people to play" or "Get out there and recruit!" but you need to appreciate how looks to potential buyers/investors when they look at the game and the expansions only to realise that there are significant amounts of content that are simply unavailable.

edit: corrections to spelling and grammar.

[Updated on: Fri, 18 October 2019 23:22]

      
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Re:Reprint of major expansions... When? Fri, 18 October 2019 20:12
As of this moment, on Amazon.com, besides the base game and the recent new flight plan expansion, Eastern front is available (at about $28), as well as winter wars and Mediterranean expansions (each of them about $50, which is admittedly above the list price).
      
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Re:Reprint of major expansions... When? Fri, 18 October 2019 21:09
Hi FreeFRagUK,

Thanks for your elaborate answer. it did explain some things for me.

Alas we can only pray and hope those expansions will be reprinted quicker.
I do think it will never be a yearly (or quicker) cycle. Thy will trickle out of the factory as they have bene doing for the last ten years.
      
FreeFragUK
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Re:Reprint of major expansions... When? Fri, 18 October 2019 23:17
@JAParker - While I can appreciate that there is limited availability of some of the core expansions State side this doesn't necessarily help those who exist outside of the USA.

It's not uncommon for Amazon.com to have products available which either do not ship outside of the US or which are prohibitively expensive due to cost of postage frequently exceeding the actual value of the product.

Finally, while I appreciate your point, it doesn't address the issue raised.

@Jeronimon - Thank for you for the further response.

Hopefully DoW/Asmodee end up deciding to at least adopt an annual production cycle and dramatically improve communication. It would also be a most welcome sight to see them make better use of Anniversary based opportunities.

I do feel as though when an expansion is released which relies on the core product line that said products should receive an additional production run.

[Updated on: Fri, 18 October 2019 23:26]

      
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Re:Reprint of major expansions... When? Mon, 21 October 2019 11:05
I am not an expert in entrepreneurship, but isn't it a huge risk to produce some old expansions so frequently? Is there demand for 10, 100, 1 000 or 10 000 units? What if, after two years (or sooner), you have tons of copies and no one buying them?

Naturally, this product availability is nice for the customer but awful for the company.

Doing market research might help, but it also comes with a cost.

I see it as a
damned if you do, damned if you don't
I bet this is something they teach in great detail business schools, because I don't see any obvious solution.
      
harmon
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Re:Reprint of major expansions... When? Mon, 04 November 2019 11:48
They should just follow the GMT model of p500.
      
robert t
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Re:Reprint of major expansions... When? Tue, 05 November 2019 15:40
I don't think it would work with M'44 as the the customer base. the world, is too vast.

A steady reprint schedule would work better.

Problem is it is one game among many in their stable.

Hopefully they will improve this with the success of NFP.

A second deck of cards would be nice like in C&C games.
      
    
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