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JMcL63
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Re:How to Enhance the FUN! Thu, 24 May 2007 09:35
dbc- wrote on Thu, 24 May 2007 07:17

JMcL63 wrote on Wed, 23 May 2007 01:22

The issue here is that some people have insisted that their interest in house-ruling stuff they don't like should become official for everyone else.


That's stretching the truth!
People are asking for an official variant to be included as cards in an expansion or the like. As I reads the posts, people in both camps are recognizing the fact that some find the cards broken and some not.



What I see is:
1. people are unhappy about the rules
2. some of them are shouting very loudly at DoW and the people who are happy with the rules
3. DoW tries to make the unhappy people happy by giving them the new rule they want.

Why couldn't they make up the rules they wanted for themselves? Why did they have to have a new rule from DoW? I say these are the reasons:
1. if DoW gives in to the shouting, then next they will see that they really did make a mistake.
2. and so the game will be fixed.
3. until then, the people who are happy with the rules will have to use the new rule to play BL with the unhappy people, because it is 'official'.
4. so the unhappy people get what they want now, and some are hoping that we'll all get it later.

So I don't think I'm stretching the truth at all dbc-. I think DoW made a mistake. They should have just told people to make up their own houserules, and made their own agreements on which to play. How about: we'll play it your way first and then DoW's way next? Instead people could insist that they will only play the 'offical' variant. It's a mess in other words. Wink
      
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Re:How to Enhance the FUN! Thu, 24 May 2007 14:00
RBorg wrote on Wed, 16 May 2007 22:58

So how do you stop the Cleric and his very powerful "Hills Rumble" and "Forest Frenzy"?

Perhaps the community could share some of their subtle secret strategies to combat your opponents War Council tendencies?




I started reading the replies and gave up, Richard asked for secret strategies, not to be repeatedly told he's wrong.

I'll admit that I probably don't play as often as most people here, but have been playing fairly regularly since I got my hands on the game (except for the last month which has, sadly, been a dead gaming time for me).

Anyway, of all the games I've played I've only had HR/FF used a scant few times against me. Here's what I do...
0 levels of Cleric. I started back when I realized that those two cards are too strong.
As for the rest of my war council... whatever suits me that day.
During play, instead of drawing lore counters at the end of my turn, I draw 2 lore cards and if I get one of those two, I keep it until after Battlelore is played for the first time (yep, sometimes all game), and then I'll discard them when able.

With that strategy, I've had those cards played on me only a handful of times in all the games I've played (sometimes my opponent is cleric heave and sometimes not), and I win about 50% of the time.


(I'd like to add too, that I do believe the cards are too cheap, and I think they should cost 10 instead of 7, but it ain't going to change, so why put any energy into that campaign?)


      
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Re:How to Enhance the FUN! Thu, 24 May 2007 14:48
Nusku wrote on Sun, 20 May 2007 02:20

I used to think that putting 3 levels into Warrior was a waste and that Warrior L1 was much more efficient. However, with more play I'm no longer so sure.....

Confused


If the other player plays a warrior as well, chances for either berserker or cry assault appearing in the deck almost double. Anytime either of those cards find their way into the hands of an l3 warrior, well, it's not quite rumbling hills on #9, but things get bloody. Training camp is fun to use too, can be instantly game changing when a blue cav turns red, also good use to change a blue goblin unit red (though a well placed stronghold suits that gobbo horde best probably). Main reason I put l3 on some loremaster though, is to be able to hold 4 cards and start with 3 + 3 lore tokens.

Referencing your l3 rogue, l1 warrior council - I play that one just as often and with just as much fun. Rogue is probably my favorite lore master, after initially favoring the Wizard. And I don't know about better, but replacing the Warrior with the Wizard certainly makes for a good anti-anylore council, by the boost in getting dispel/foiled! and being able to play them in character. Plus the lore cards in general really give good control of the board.
      
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Re:How to Enhance the FUN! Thu, 24 May 2007 20:24
taliesinbard wrote on Thu, 24 May 2007 14:00

(I'd like to add too, that I do believe the cards are too cheap, and I think they should cost 10 instead of 7, but it ain't going to change, so why put any energy into that campaign?)


What is wrong by asking to have these cards changed as alternate cards or as a PDF? Sure, if we don't ask, DoW will never make a notice. But if enough people are asking for a change they might just do what Fantasy Flight games are doing and print a replacement card for people to use by their own discretion.

      
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Re:How to Enhance the FUN! Fri, 25 May 2007 12:46
dbc- wrote on Thu, 24 May 2007 19:24

taliesinbard wrote on Thu, 24 May 2007 14:00

(I'd like to add too, that I do believe the cards are too cheap, and I think they should cost 10 instead of 7, but it ain't going to change, so why put any energy into that campaign?)


What is wrong by asking to have these cards changed as alternate cards or as a PDF? Sure, if we don't ask, DoW will never make a notice. But if enough people are asking for a change they might just do what Fantasy Flight games are doing and print a replacement card for people to use by their own discretion.



What is wrong? Simple: there are those of us who have been playing Richard Borg's C&C engine in various forms for several years, and we have learned to respect its subtlties and to trust the judgement of its designers and developers. We do not want our future years of fun with these and other games we will be buying from this series to be ruined because DoW rashly rushes to authorize semi-official variants to silence the monotonous dirge of complaints from a small camp of customers who demonstrate time and again that they are completely unwilling to listen to any voices other than their own.

If BL fans want house rules of any kind, for any reason, they should go off and create them. You know as well as I that DoW openly encourages this, as well they should with a game like BL which practically cries out for homebrewing rules, new units, and so on. DoW are giving us a gaming system here and telling us to go off and have our own kind of fun with it.

But what is not acceptable is people insisting that their house rules should be endorsed by DoW with any kind of official sanction, or else the game is broken. Why? Because that violates the essential ethic of house-rules: ie. that they are private, and to be agreed between all parties; if agreement is not forthcoming, then play defaults to the official rules. These are the basic principles of fair play. And if you don't have fair play, what do you have? Hmm? Wink
      
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Re:How to Enhance the FUN! Fri, 25 May 2007 13:09
Well said JM Smile, but I don't mean it as someone who is in support of your view on these cards (most people by now would know my allegiance on this topic Wink ), I mean it as coming as a neutral statement.

If your not playing in tournaments, where you have no say on the rules/house-rules set, just try and have fun by playing the game with your friends with whatever rules makes everyone happy and leads to an enjoyable game for both parties.

Most of us on these forums probably won't even meet each other face-to-face or ever play each other through other means, so there's no point getting heated up over trying to prove or force things on anyone here. What sort of satisfaction is one trying to achieve by doing so? Forums are good ways of obtaining different people's opinions, thoughts and ideas, yes, but this topic seems to have gone well beyond that.... lets just move on.

The only worthwhile thread in these forums still worth running on this topic, and in my opinion, is cebalrai's thread on ideas for different house-rules (...I can't believe I just said that Wink... but one must agree on things that are truly in good spirit and beneficial). Lots to chose from, pick your own... or add your own.... enough, lets stop the whining!
      
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Re:How to Enhance the FUN! Fri, 25 May 2007 14:02
Thank you for your kind and appreciative words sdafilli. I also just wanted add something to my reply to dbc-: re. your call for pdfs? There are already such materials available for new units and so on. DoW have shown no inclination to step in to stop it. There might be differences if you were to change their lore cards- a simple email to DoW would establish the legal niceities.

The problem with such an option would be that the replacement cards would spoil the uniformity of the deck. Unless that is, you are using card protectors. Wink
      
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Re:How to Enhance the FUN! Fri, 22 June 2007 04:55
MEyow jmcl63 im not the only one with barbs! well sed i love these cards they realy hurt like geting kicked in the knakers hears an off board statijy if you get these cards and know youer oppolent is scered of them let them know you have the card but dont use it the fear of the card is much more efective
some house rules these cards work as normal but dont count to wards victory or how bout they efect both sides frend and foe or stop being such wusses and take it licke a man
      
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Re:How to Enhance the FUN! Fri, 22 June 2007 18:03
Roobarb wrote on Thu, 21 June 2007 20:55

MEyow jmcl63 im not the only one with barbs! well sed i love these cards they realy hurt like geting kicked in the knakers hears an off board statijy if you get these cards and know youer oppolent is scered of them let them know you have the card but dont use it the fear of the card is much more efective
some house rules these cards work as normal but dont count to wards victory or how bout they efect both sides frend and foe or stop being such wusses and take it licke a man



I can only assume that Babelfish didn't treat you well on translation.
      
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Re:How to Enhance the FUN! Fri, 22 June 2007 18:39
Zeal wrote on Fri, 22 June 2007 11:03

I can only assume that Babelfish didn't treat you well on translation.


And how would babelfish come into it? I believe Roobarb is from the UK according to his profile. Smile
      
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Re:How to Enhance the FUN! Fri, 22 June 2007 20:38
cor blimy merry poppins wuld you adem n eve it im avin a rite tin bath er these blinkin colloials cant even speak the queens tonge Laughing Wink
      
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Re:How to Enhance the FUN! Fri, 22 June 2007 20:45
sorry zeal im a victom of the britsh state school system and all so dyslexic on the later dont feel sorry for me being dyslexic is an advatage just not on this planet
      
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Re:How to Enhance the FUN! Sun, 24 June 2007 16:19
Roobarb wrote on Fri, 22 June 2007 19:45

sorry zeal im a victom of the britsh state school system and all so dyslexic on the later dont feel sorry for me being dyslexic is an advatage just not on this planet

LOL! Good comeback Roobarb! Btw, you should check the timezone in your profile- it's set to US/New York. If your location is the UK, then there's something wrong with that. Wink
      
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Re:How to Enhance the FUN! Mon, 25 June 2007 20:04
JMcL63 wrote on Sun, 24 June 2007 08:19

Roobarb wrote on Fri, 22 June 2007 19:45

sorry zeal im a victom of the britsh state school system and all so dyslexic on the later dont feel sorry for me being dyslexic is an advatage just not on this planet

LOL! Good comeback Roobarb! Btw, you should check the timezone in your profile- it's set to US/New York. If your location is the UK, then there's something wrong with that. Wink




I'm guessing it deafults to that time, as half the forum members seem to hail from New York. If not, they must have a heckava BattleLore community there.
      
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Re:How to Enhance the FUN! Tue, 26 June 2007 02:48
zeal
youer right spot on ive changed it now but i cant tell the differance

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