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New information on expansion. True? Sun, 10 August 2008 07:20
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/2542580#2542580

If it's true, I dont think I'll be buying the expansion. An expansion for epic with a paper map doesnt do anything for me. I usualy play battlelore 2 player normal because of the short playtimes.

Hopefully it isn't true.

[Updated on: Sun, 10 August 2008 07:23]

      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Sun, 10 August 2008 09:07
I may be misremembering (thank you, Roger Clemens), but the Epic board was originally called a "paper" board as well.

While the new board may, in fact, be similar to the C&C:Ancients original board, I think any board released by DoW will be mounted.

      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Sun, 10 August 2008 09:34
toddrew wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 09:07

While the new board may, in fact, be similar to the C&C:Ancients original board, I think any board released by DoW will be mounted.


The map in the Memoir 44 Campaign Bag is a paper map, is it not?
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Sun, 10 August 2008 10:03
I'm not impressed ,we have waited how many months
to get a Troll & a paper map Sad

What happened to all the stuff DoW promised ?????
where are the Races,the Game World???

There seems to be a total disconect with DoW over
BL-did they really think a Troll & a paper map was
going to make up for months of no information.

I really think if DoW has other releases for BL
planned for this year now is the time to announce them.

OD
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Sun, 10 August 2008 10:45
I totally agree with you, Old Dwarf.
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Sun, 10 August 2008 12:06
The post went up a day early and got pulled before I saw any images so I've only got the copy and paste text to go by, gut reaction is its seems a bit steep for 'a map and troll' but thats just based on what you get from the other packs, perhaps when the article goes up officially we'll see more goodies under the hood.

DoW have missed the summer holiday season and Gencon windows so it makes sense for them to build up to Christmas from here and releaseing the troll seems like a starting point - with Heroes say a month 6 weeks after it and, fingers crossed, two new races for Christmas (not just mercenary units but full on race with their own CtA deck) Or perhaps a race and Battlelore online!

aka benefit of the doubt from me to DoW Very Happy

Chris

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Re:New information on expansion. True? Sun, 10 August 2008 16:07
dbc- wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 01:34

toddrew wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 09:07

While the new board may, in fact, be similar to the C&C:Ancients original board, I think any board released by DoW will be mounted.


The map in the Memoir 44 Campaign Bag is a paper map, is it not?



Sorry, was a bit broad - I meant to say for BattleLore, I know little of what is going on with Memoir '44. Though, perhaps it will be what is traditionally considered a paper map.

It was when Epic was first released online and then was to later be released as a "paper" version that I remember this popping up before.
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Sun, 10 August 2008 21:15
The link and article were pulled because it wasn't supposed to go up until Monday. Fortunately, I was up as soon as it was announced and saw the original article.

The only BL pic was the Troll we have already seen. The only M44 pic was the "Overlord Expasnion" box similar to the EF, TP, and PT expansions.

The map is supposed to be like the M44 paper map included in the campaign bag. I don't think the map is supposed to be the main attraction but a means to widely distribute the troll but just not a troll (remember FLGS's had an issue with the tiny blister packs). So the map is a bonus even if you have to pay for it.

The map is supposed to be a quick way to set up the game as the terrain is already there and the starting units will probably be marked as well.

Another case of damned if you do, damned if you don't for DOW. Everyone griped that set-up was too long, so now they made it easy and everyone gripes again. Seriously people, cut them some slack.

I am cleaning out my toy closet in preparation for my bride to be to move in to my house. I am recalling all the accessory crap that I bought for my toy lines just because it had the label on it. BattleLore is going to be much tthe same. There is going to be (hopefully) tons of stuff released in the years to come. You may like it all, but most likely not. So either suck it up and get it because your completist nature is calling (like mine is), or be discerning and get only what you want. But try not to clog up the threads every time a product comes out that you don't like! Or soon enough, DOW may just ditch the line and we won't have anything left to complain about.
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Sun, 10 August 2008 22:58
How much slack is enough Confused

Take it or leave it & soldier on would be a logical option
except for the fact its been MONTHS with no information.
The word 'hopefully" & DoW's handling of BL have
become linked Very Happy .

This just isn't an expansion we can say meh....
I don't need it & pass.Its the only thing on BL
thats come out in MONTHS Crying or Very Sad

DoW seems to be on auto pilot & I don't think our posts
are going to to effect things one way or the other,
except to get it out of our systems Rolling Eyes

However I invested into BL & its expansions based
on DoW's promises on what the Game would be.It's going on
2 years now and I'm still waiting for the product that was promised.Slack time is over IMHO.

OD

[Updated on: Sun, 10 August 2008 23:11]

      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 01:47
ColtsFan76 wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 21:15

So the map is a bonus even if you have to pay for it.

A bonus we have to pay for? Are you serious?

ColtsFan76 wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 21:15


The map is supposed to be a quick way to set up the game as the terrain is already there and the starting units will probably be marked as well.


Another case of damned if you do, damned if you don't for DOW. Everyone griped that set-up was too long, so now they made it easy and everyone gripes again. Seriously people, cut them some slack.

There are other ways DoW could have gone to make maps with faster setup time, if that was the issue. I see no reason not to complain when they choose something I consider to be among the worst possible choices.
They could have made smaller interlocking maps with pre-printed terrain. This way you could mix the maps for different layouts and still add the tiles from the base game, to add even more variety.
With the paper map you can add tiles as well, but you are limited in the variety of the map, as a lot of terrain will always be present in exactly the same spot every game.
And if the map is indeed a paper map, it just makes matters even worse IMHO.
So, no it's not a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't for DOW. It's a matter of DoW making more bad decisions IMHO.

ColtsFan76 wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 21:15


There is going to be (hopefully) tons of stuff released in the years to come. You may like it all, but most likely not. So either suck it up and get it because your completist nature is calling (like mine is), or be discerning and get only what you want. But try not to clog up the threads every time a product comes out that you don't like! Or soon enough, DOW may just ditch the line and we won't have anything left to complain about.

I was expecting the Troll to be part of a monster- or hero/monster expansion. But now it looks like I have to pay for a map I will never use, if I want to get it, and I'm not allowed to make my disappointment public?
I play only in Epic mode. So far very few scenarios have supported this mode. Add to this the less than optimal army expansions with a lot of scenarios I have had to pay for, but will never use, and I find it only fair to complain when they finally release Epic stuff, but do it in a very disappointing manner.

DoW keeps insisting on telling us nothing until the very last moment. So maybe there is more to the deal than we know at this moment. I really hope the Troll will be available in some other way than in this "bonus"-package. If it will be so, I will definitely not complain, but DoW's marketing of the game is what makes these reactions.

Like Old Dwarf says, it's been two years now and DoW has still not delivered what was promised. Slack time must really be over!


[Updated on: Mon, 11 August 2008 01:51]

      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 02:44
if by "paper map" they mean non-mounted boards, that's just terrible. this might very well be TTR: switzerland all over again.

I assume they're doing it for those who don't have the epic expansion or a 2nd board. but think about it, people who DONT have a 2nd board arent really likely to buy a Troll for 18 dollars.
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 09:32
I believe in Days of Wonder.

I believe that, although they don't answer these posts, they do read them.

I believe that a printed map may be a response to posts about set-up time.

I believe they look intelligently at their pricing system and test the market.

I believe that, when the time comes, they will produce the expansion packs that we are ewaiting for.

I believe in Days of Wonder - but then again, Bruce Wayne said "I believe in Harvey Dent."
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 10:43
Old Dwarf wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 10:03

I'm not impressed ,we have waited how many months
to get a Troll & a paper map Sad

What happened to all the stuff DoW promised ?????
where are the Races,the Game World???

There seems to be a total disconect with DoW over
BL-did they really think a Troll & a paper map was
going to make up for months of no information.

I really think if DoW has other releases for BL
planned for this year now is the time to announce them.

OD



I totally agree. If this information proves to be correct, This will be further proof to me that DoW really does not know how to handle the potentially great game system of BattleLore.

I already posted numeral times about how I feel that their marketing really does not befit a game system like BattleLore, but if it turns out it took them months to produce a SINGLE FIGURE and 1 scenario, they really do not know what they are doing.

Once again I might come of as harsh towards DoW, but I honestly feel that they really screwed this one up. They either are releasing something that completely goes against the vision they said they had for BattleLore or the information turns out be incomplete/wrong and they are still at fault with a terrible marketing plan.

To the people posting about giving DoW a break: we have, for more than a year to be exact. If they still do not know how to handle BattleLore and the required marketing, it is their own fault. A lot can be done in a years time if you have some faith in your product and if you're willing to open yourself up to feedback.
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 13:57
Wait and see...

We'll complain when we'll have all the informations... right now, it doesn't seems like an expansion, but a goody for a convention. Still wating for the heroes expansions.
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 14:19
tom-le-termite wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 13:57

Wait and see...

We'll complain when we'll have all the informations... right now, it doesn't seems like an expansion, but a goody for a convention. Still wating for the heroes expansions.


You could be right, but I simply don't want to wait any longer and I feel the information should already at least be partially available.
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 16:20
On the news, they called it an Epic Adventure Map series. Looks like we'll be getting more of these.
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 16:22
how about DOW do some maket resarch Surprised
they have a ready supply of pepole on this forum who are dieing to have some say as to how the game should go Rolling Eyes
they should throw out some ideas
you know
run it up the flagpole and see who salutes
throw a thaught grenade
Laughing
i love battlelore but i cant see my self buying any outher DOW products
DOW is nothing with out us there customer
Twisted Evil
sorry if pepole feel im beeing ruff but im just calling it how i see it

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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 16:53
The information from Boardgame Geek was a little too vague to draw conclusions IMHO. I'm on a 'wait and see' hold pattern.

If I remember correctly from past postings, isn't DOW working on a online version of Memoir '44 and Battlelore? If so, it's understandable why they've been silent for a long time. Online games are probably a major undertaking. I'm not sure how large DOW is, but they've always seemed to be a small company, so everything takes a while. Rolling Eyes

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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 18:04
Well I think GenCon is next weekend (correct? - sadly can't go but know of a few people that are) and thus maybe we can get some information from them. And then make the conclusions - since currently the above link is down (even though there is a post on Battlemaster.com about it but no pics). Thus w/o some real "proof", one has to conclude that maybe this info is not true.

Personally I would have to agree with the majority that there was a promise to spruce up the world (i.e. finish up the rules with dwarfs/goblins - i.e. Heroes persumably) before anything else. That is what I got from the various BL posts in the past year. Like most, been waiting on the Heroes to see what it will entail and thus it seems it got pushed back again (assuming the news is true - which I cannot say is or is not). And since Heroes was going to be released last year and got pushed back, one would think that would be closer to production than something that is totally new.

Again, I'll wait and see what my spies have to say at GenCon before I make my mind up but was really hoping there was something new to add to the realm of BL.

If the news is true - and sure set up times are sometimes long - but so are other games as well. Doesn't really take that long - maybe 5-10 mins at most. Thus saying this map will "fix" that issue really doesn't since it just fixes the issue for 2 scenarios and NOT all the other scenarios.

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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 18:10
http://www.boardgamenews.com/index.php/boardgamenews/comment s/memoir_44_battlelore_expansions_to_debut_at_gen_con/
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 18:46
It seems even worse than I thought Confused Confused Confused
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 18:55
It is also officially on the DoW website:

http://blog.daysofwonder.com/?p=831&language=en

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  Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 19:03
Wow.... I'm sorry, but this expansion sucks in terms of what I've been expecting! We've waited a year for this? Sad
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 19:22
For $18, there'd better be a lot more figs in this pack than that Troll.
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 19:25
Doubtful Frown Mad
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 19:45
What a letdown Crying or Very Sad

I hope the Troll will be available separately somehow.
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 20:00
Quote:

Eric Hautemont Says:

August 11th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
The Troll comes with all its information directly printed on the map, in English, French and German.

This map - and similar concepts we are introducing for M44 - are primarily designed for play in public venues (Conventions, which is why we are introducing it at GenCon, Game Store events, etc…). They are not meant as a replacement for other more traditional expansions such as the Heroes.




no cards no hex overlays rubbish sculpt
what a load of sh*t
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 20:01
Matthias_K schrieb am Mon, 11 August 2008 19:03

Wow.... I'm sorry, but this expansion sucks in terms of what I've been expecting! We've waited a year for this? Sad

Probably not - they will be releasing at least 2376464356134 creatures each for 16 Euros at least but with a map that makes you wonder what all the tiles you got in the base game were for.
And do not forget the 6723459765476349761 Heroes that are waiting (16 Euros each with a map) - thats gone give us the hell of a background story! If we live for the next 73468075468743 years of course!
Mad Mad Mad
sorry, but after this announcement I'm really frustrated!
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 20:05
Well we at least know the color of the Troll is blue - and alas not Red. Thus still no red creatures, but maybe after we get some more creatures, we might have a red one.

Hopefully there will be a seperate helper card for the Troll and if it has a special hex tile like the Hill Giant/EE, a like helper card for it as well.

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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 20:17
I think not Caboose, at least we can still hope for heroes.. let's see when...

from DOW blog comments:

# Eric Hautemont Says:
August 11th, 2008 at 7:50 pm

The Troll comes with all its information directly printed on the map, in English, French and German.

This map - and similar concepts we are introducing for M44 - are primarily designed for play in public venues (Conventions, which is why we are introducing it at GenCon, Game Store events, etc…). They are not meant as a replacement for other more traditional expansions such as the Heroes.

[Updated on: Mon, 11 August 2008 20:18]

      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 20:23
céro wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 20:01

Matthias_K schrieb am Mon, 11 August 2008 19:03

Wow.... I'm sorry, but this expansion sucks in terms of what I've been expecting! We've waited a year for this? Sad

Probably not - they will be releasing at least 2376464356134 creatures each for 16 Euros at least but with a map that makes you wonder what all the tiles you got in the base game were for.
And do not forget the 6723459765476349761 Heroes that are waiting (16 Euros each with a map) - thats gone give us the hell of a background story! If we live for the next 73468075468743 years of course!
Mad Mad Mad
sorry, but after this announcement I'm really frustrated!


Now we just have to wait for the newspost to announce all this after all of the information about these monsters and heroes is 100% sure and complete. At their current rate that should take them about 6723462141940705895 years. Twisted Evil
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 20:35
forty_eightkb wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 12:17


# Eric Hautemont Says:
August 11th, 2008 at 7:50 pm

The Troll comes with all its information directly printed on the map, in English, French and German.

This map - and similar concepts we are introducing for M44 - are primarily designed for play in public venues (Conventions, which is why we are introducing it at GenCon, Game Store events, etc…). They are not meant as a replacement for other more traditional expansions such as the Heroes.



Well I do hope there will be plans to put out a helper card - since like other people will point out - the Troll can be used (maybe - it might be unique to Epic - but I hope not) in other scenarios and having help cards DEFINITELY helps resolve most issues at the table when play (not all, but most of them - without having to go to the rulebook/manual/whatnot). And thus would be the first item not having a helper card. Sure you probably could make a helper card via xerox and all, but why go against the tradition so far of having a helper card for each new terrain/unit/creature to date ?

Also based on the reply, news, etc, it would seem the only way to get the troll would be via this purchase. If memory serves (and I apologize if I muck up), the Hill Giant was available via pre-order of the BL and the EE was available as a giveaway at cons (or order online at DoW store and pay nominal shipping). I understand that DoW is in the business of making money and all and thus I can understand why the troll might not be a "freebie" but I think some people would like to get the Troll by itself. Sure it shouldn't be free, but there should be some way to obtain it w/o the other items since some people don't play Epic. I hope in the coming days/weeks there will be a way of doing that, if possible (Of course, without knowing the FULL contents in the expansion, there might be some items that require the use of the Troll, so I'll presume there might be a way to include them as well for the "self alone Troll").

Lastly, if the Troll is offered as by itself, hopefully that might appease some people still awaiting word of the Heroes of BL and/or other expansions that will round out the world of Urchonia (or however the BL world name is spelled!) I'm sure like most others, this isn't the news they were waiting for, but at least it is news. Be grateful there is some news and thus please don't email DoW saying this expansion "bites" (vs other colorful metaphors). This might be something that DoW had planned for Epic and thus due to "poor timing" we might hear about the other expansions for Battlelore in the coming days/weeks. But if there is a lot of negativity, why would DoW announce anything new if all they see is negativity ?

Cab
p.s. I'm not defending DoW in any way - just pointing out something that some people might not see with negative posts.

p.p.s. If one rereads the news release, it does say it is the first of many Epic Adventure Map series for BL. Thus like it's M44 counterpart, this might be the way other Epic expansions might go - and thus NOT necessarily for the other BL expansions.
Just food for thought...

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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 21:01
Caboose wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 20:35

I'm sure like most others, this isn't the news they were waiting for, but at least it is news. Be grateful there is some news and thus please don't email DoW saying this expansion "bites" (vs other colorful metaphors). This might be something that DoW had planned for Epic and thus due to "poor timing" we might hear about the other expansions for Battlelore in the coming days/weeks. But if there is a lot of negativity, why would DoW announce anything new if all they see is negativity ?


No! This is not simply a case of 'poor timing' anymore if this is what they chose to disclose since may! I also really feel like I should respond to this news if it disappoints me and others even if I don't know about possible other expansions in the works. It is DoW who chose not to disclose that information (if it is available) and that would be because of a simply stupid marketing strategy we've posted about hundreds of times. They simply choose not to listen...

Cab, I understand what you're trying to do here, but I for one am really fed up with DoW because of this and it just shows me how utterly unprepared (or worse: unwilling) they are to take this beautiful game system to the top like they did with Ticket to Ride in the standard boardgame market. The hype is simply gone and to top it off, they are alienating at least some of the existing BattleLore customers with this. Not a good strategy!

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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 21:01
I am convinced of the error of my ways. After reading the thoughts of others and seeing what is being offered, I must admit I am not pleased with the change in direction either.

The griping pushed me over the edge but that is overshadowed but the rudderless ship we now have in DOW.

So I apologize to my fellow posters. I am back in the disgruntled camp myself.
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 21:02
Double post. Sorry about that.

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Re:New information on expansion. True? Mon, 11 August 2008 21:07
It seems to me that they are trying to spread the word about the game at conventions by offering something special. Maybe 2-3 of these maps a year timed to be released with conventions.

Eric did say that there are other expansions in the works (although it would be nice to have more info Smile ) that are different from these maps. Based on DOW's previous policies regarding the Hill Giant, I would be surprised if the Troll were offered in another expansion. It's in the vein of a convention freebie that they are offering to people that can't attend. They do need to sell enough of these to make them worth printing, so an exclusive probably needs to be included.

I agree that the price point is a bit high, but if the scenarios are good, I'll buy them. After all, i haven't spent anything on BattleLore yet this year!

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Re:New information on expansion. True? Tue, 12 August 2008 02:26
i was expecting to be disappointed by the board, but then i got a look at it and it is pretty. Very Happy

i think it may be because I havent been waiting for battlelore expansions since 2006 like the lot of you, but i am quite pleased with this.
      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Tue, 12 August 2008 08:58
kookoobah wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 02:26

i was expecting to be disappointed by the board, but then i got a look at it and it is pretty. Very Happy

i think it may be because I havent been waiting for battlelore expansions since 2006 like the lot of you, but i am quite pleased with this.


I wonder what you were expecting, since you are not disappointed by the map. The side of the map we have been shown features nothing we can not produce ourselves, with the material already available. The only difference is that this is a paper map and it has a frame with written information in several languages. But fine by me if people are willing to shell out money for this kind of "expansion".

      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Tue, 12 August 2008 09:17
gheintze wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 21:07

It seems to me that they are trying to spread the word about the game at conventions by offering something special. Maybe 2-3 of these maps a year timed to be released with conventions.

Fine by me if these kind of maps are primarily aimed at conventions and other happenings. My main concern is whether the Troll will be available outside this format or not.

gheintze wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 21:07


Eric did say that there are other expansions in the works (although it would be nice to have more info Smile ) that are different from these maps. Based on DOW's previous policies regarding the Hill Giant, I would be surprised if the Troll were offered in another expansion. It's in the vein of a convention freebie that they are offering to people that can't attend. They do need to sell enough of these to make them worth printing, so an exclusive probably needs to be included.



Sure there are other expansions in the works. And I don't mind that this one pops up first, if they need it for conventions. DoW has made no commitments to release expansions in any specific order.
I just find this to be the worst release so far in the line. If they plan on including miniatures in every map release, and not make them available outside this format, I will be severely disappointed.

gheintze wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 21:07


I agree that the price point is a bit high, but if the scenarios are good, I'll buy them. After all, i haven't spent anything on BattleLore yet this year!

Geoff

I rarely play the same scenario more than twice, but that is just me. I do wonder however about your reasoning behind buying an "expansion" just because you have spent no money on the game for a while. The one map we have been shown so far offers nothing new, and they will probably both be available in the scenario section some time after the release.

      
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Re:New information on expansion. True? Tue, 12 August 2008 09:37
"And now for something completely different"

I am underwhelmed with this move!

And with the announcement that this is the first of a series and its being done as well with M'44,, this is one vein of the future of BL. Yech!!

One of the great basic features of the C&C system is the blank board & terrain hexes giving infinite terrain setups. This is reverse progress !
Better be one hell of a re-playable 'adventure' heh?

It is being called a 'map' ,,, not a board!?!
Do I have to go to Home Depot and get plexiglas to play this new- "series of Epic Adventures"!
It better lay '''Really Flat''' with all these BL figures!
Ive seen other games having to use this extra expense,, "no likey" - and after having to pay 18-20 bucks for the Expansion?
Hows that map that came with the M44 Campaign bag working out in the real world guys?


And I'm with others,, I had hoped DOW efforts were headed for something like _ this summer/fall we would see the Hero Exp. then another race/army at Xmas.
This is kinda depressing....

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