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  Is the battlore system dead Thu, 10 July 2008 16:44
This is a great system but without expansions, its the same as all the rest. Since comments were made back in december the system has died. I purchased two of everything which I now have for sale, since there are no expansions in the forseeable future.
There were a lot of promises made but alot of them not kept.
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Thu, 10 July 2008 17:04
PM me if you can part with the Dwarven expansions... we'll work something out.
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Thu, 10 July 2008 17:40
I totally agree. The complete lack of news and communication it's really beyond me and it sounds like a missing opportunity.
Back to Warhammer... Crying or Very Sad
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Thu, 10 July 2008 18:14
Whinings... BattleLore is flexible and simple : you can easy create your variants (weapons, campaign, races, etc.).

Check this forum and BGG to find variants, try it, reject or upgrade it...

And so, my fellow BattleLore fans: ask not what DoW can do for you; ask what you can do for BattleLore Wink
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Thu, 10 July 2008 18:37
What Akhad said - but I haven't even had to do that yet. Plenty has been released to keep my enjoyment level high. Haven't even remotely begin to tire of the game.

That said, still very much anticipating the Heroes and breadth and depth to the various "races". (Race-specific CtA decks Very Happy )
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Thu, 10 July 2008 20:46
if you're bored with the game with all the current expensions, this means you have played more than a 100times and you're being picky. How many games can you say you have played so much in 1 year?

we had 5 expension in 2007. We will have another major one in 2008. just wait, do something else. stop whining.

I 've played the game in epic-cta with all expensions more than 70 times already and there still a lot to do before I consider I need more.
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Thu, 10 July 2008 21:18
hweston wrote on Thu, 10 July 2008 10:44

This is a great system but without expansions, its the same as all the rest.

Ooooohh.... I see, just like all the rest of those great systems without expansions (I guess you mean with only 6 - like BL has)... like which ones?

hweston wrote on Thu, 10 July 2008 10:44


Since comments were made back in december the system has died.


Wait... did your copy of the rules stop working all of a sudden? Wink The system is just fine (and very much alive) - I think people are just looking for that tingling sense of anticipation for a new release.

hweston wrote on Thu, 10 July 2008 10:44


I purchased two of everything which I now have for sale, since there are no expansions in the forseeable future.
There were a lot of promises made but alot of them not kept.



Soo... wait a second - you're seriously selling off everything you bought - presumambly at a loss because the 2008 expansion (which we know is coming) hasn't been given an official release date? What happens when DoW sorts out the new expansion format and they start cranking out new armies and expansions? Will you buy the base set and everything back again?

I say - give it time, and in the meantime - try some of these:

http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?th=14952&start=0

~ CEG
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Fri, 11 July 2008 00:29
tom-le-termite wrote on Thu, 10 July 2008 20:46

if you're bored with the game with all the current expensions, this means you have played more than a 100times and you're being picky. How many games can you say you have played so much in 1 year?

we had 5 expension in 2007. We will have another major one in 2008. just wait, do something else. stop whining.

I 've played the game in epic-cta with all expensions more than 70 times already and there still a lot to do before I consider I need more.


Hey Tom,

I have played BL several hundered times and find it good fun Smile

Cheers
PS even the same battle turns out diffrent every time!
      
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  Re:Is the battlore system dead Fri, 11 July 2008 01:07
Not going to sell anything, just trying to dig out some news. The silence is deafing. It a great system, and lot of fun.
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Fri, 11 July 2008 04:58
Hweston I just posted the same message on the Battleloremaster site. GIVE US SOME NEWS. Hope to see Richard Borg at Historicon and pump him for some news. And Pantao I will be playing in the Warhammer Historical comp. If your there stop by.
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Fri, 11 July 2008 05:03
hweston wrote on Thu, 10 July 2008 18:07

Not going to sell anything, just trying to dig out some news. The silence is deafing. It a great system, and lot of fun.


hweston wrote on Thu, 10 July 2008 09:44

I purchased two of everything which I now have for sale, since there are no expansions in the forseeable future.

Huh?
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Fri, 11 July 2008 09:33
I still play the game and I find it very enjoyable. With the system as such, I have only one complaint. But although I find it a major one, I will not keep beating a dead horse... Regular posters know what I'm talking about Twisted Evil
Now the release schedule and format, has not been the best, to say it mildly. We all know it was due to a forced change of format, made in the very last moment. I consider this a big error on DoW's side. They really should have checked out the marked before releasing the game. But this is all water under the bridge.
Looking ahead, I believe many players are looking forward to the Hero expansion. It sounds like this will be the last expansion to flesh out the core system. After that, the system can go in many different directions. It is going to be interesting to see what DoW has of plans for the coming years.
It's been a rough start for BattleLore, but the system is so solid I believe it will survive. The sales numbers of the coming expansion will tell us if I'm wrong.

All these rambling lead me to my one and only complaint about DoW and their marketing strategy - the refusal to give us any news, until they got the finished product printed. I simply can't see how such a radical stance can be helpful for the game. I know it's been said many times before, but I really believe it will hurt more than help.

When news are released I will eagerly read them. When expansions start to come out again, I will probably buy then. And for years to come, I will surely play BattleLore. Let's hope this game comes back full throttle in the Autumn.
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Fri, 11 July 2008 10:37
Chaotic_easy_going wrote on Thu, 10 July 2008 21:18

Wait... did your copy of the rules stop working all of a sudden? Wink The system is just fine (and very much alive) - I think people are just looking for that tingling sense of anticipation for a new release.



This tingling sense of anticipation was a big part of why i decided to buy inte the promised battlelore system.

I really liked the game after the first few plays, but what made me decide that this was going to be "my game" was the promise of future development and things to wait for, and speculate about.

So far DoW has failed on this part of its promises and i think that the state of this messageboard with just the same 10-15 posters writing 90 percent of the posts for the last few months (compare to the posts during the first six months) is an indication that the system is already half dead.

[Updated on: Fri, 11 July 2008 10:57]

      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Fri, 11 July 2008 11:45
I play Rummikub. I have done for many years. It was released so long ago that I can't remember the year. It has been repackaged, and looks a bit brighter in the shops now than it did when I bought mine.

It has no 'support' - I mean no forum (that I know of), no new news from the manufacturers, no expansion sets.

It's still very much alive.

Battlelore hasn't been going for 2 years yet, and I think it's got plenty going for it. I look up this forum every day and there are always new posts - surely that's a sign of the life in it?

I, too, would like to hear some news from DoW, but without new expansions or news, it's still a game I like to play.
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Fri, 11 July 2008 11:46
We have the same discussion in german - and probably in french, too. I dare to say BL is not dead. The Problems DoW has is not the number of expansions (6 until now) but the promises they made. If they had taken 4 month between each expansion, we still would be waiting for the last one - and 6 Expansions in about 18 Month seems a lot to me.
On the other side, I surely liked to read some news 'bout what's going on with BL. Until then well, I'll try to play as much as possible - i like the game!
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Fri, 11 July 2008 15:33
I too am a little dissappointed by the lack of involvement DOW has had with BL since the beginning of 2008. However, the game on it's own is a great game and is definitely worth playing on a semi-regular basis. I guess the 2007 releases gave me the impression that BL was going to be heavily supported by DOW, and after the announcement of slowing down support, my personal hope was at the least two or three releases per year, but that hasn't happened. Oh well. Every company has their own style. GW supports their games heavily (but at a $$$ price), other systems are a one bang deal, I just hope that DOW will adjust to making something for BL quarterly (just a creature would do - such as a troll Twisted Evil ), the game definitely has a huge potential for lots of expansions. Thankfully there are a lot of avid BL gamers out there making their own great adventures, campaigns, and new creatures and troops. Thanks to them this game still alive.
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Fri, 11 July 2008 16:50
We were promised 'open communication' and that 2008 was going to be a big year for both Memoir 44 and BattleLore. So far, DoW have not really delivered on these issues.

C'mon guys, we've had one pic of a troll, one pic of a mounted thief and one sorceress in 7 months ! Can no one spare 30 mins once a week to release a 'teaser' or snippet of info to keep the frenzy going ?

I suspect / hope that we'll see something for BL soon - probably around / after Gencon, well, I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best.

Yes, we have BL user pages to look forwards to, but I suspect the average BL player would rather see an expansion in his / her sweaty little hands than a user page.

But think about what we have in the meantime !

We have a game / system that now has more troop types / weapons and with the lore council and CtA, more replayability than C&C:A.

We have around 40-50 official scenarios that, with the use of differing specialist cards / lore councils will never play the same way twice.

I played the original BL base set to death, each expansion gave the system a new burst but I'll be honest and say that I don't break out the pieces as often now, as I used to. Other games have taken my gaming time and budget recently.

Like others have posted above, I check the forum and the news page everyday, the system is far from dead, it just seems to be 'drifting', if that makes sense.
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Fri, 11 July 2008 21:49
I believe that the thread starter was being deliberately provocative in order to force DOW to respond to this thread, and I think everyone reading this post checked the thread to see if DOW did respond.

I love battlelore. I won't stop playing, but the silence is deafening. I know all of us are frustrated by the lack of information, so I would ask people to stop apologizing for DOW's lack of response or information, and urge them to do more than just throw us a bone once in a while.
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Sat, 12 July 2008 00:12
jasoshoe wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 14:49

I believe that the thread starter was being deliberately provocative in order to force DOW to respond to this thread, and I think everyone reading this post checked the thread to see if DOW did respond.

That rarely works.

I have sent direct emails to the president and marketing director of DOW and they still feel their news policy is the best way to handle the situation.

Ranting on the forums, especially during the summer convention season, is going to go completely unnoticed by DOW. All you are going to do is provoke a backlash from the fanboys.
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Sat, 12 July 2008 05:14
dbc- wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 03:33



All these rambling lead me to my one and only complaint about DoW and their marketing strategy - the refusal to give us any news, until they got the finished product printed. I simply can't see how such a radical stance can be helpful for the game. I know it's been said many times before, but I really believe it will hurt more than help.

And for years to come, I will surely play BattleLore. Let's hope this game comes back full throttle in the Autumn.



In the brilliant documentary "Fog of War," the interviewee says something to effect of "I'll be damned if I discuss that, and I'll be damned if I don't. Since I'll be criticized no matter what I do, I've decided to be damned for saying nothing. I have no comment, so let's move on to the next subject."

I'm sure this is DoW's stance at this point.

While I wish we had more info, I think I agree with them. I think people get annoyed with a lack of info, but I think people get angry when you go back on announcements. Better to deal with frustration than outright anger.

I think BL is a super game. I still haven't gotten to play with all the expansions. I'm slowly painting my set, and that's fairly fun, too. While I dearly hope for some excellent leader rules, I have lots to keep me occupied.

Finally, I hope they have been using the extra time for play testing and improving the leaders. Once it's out, we (and they) are stuck with it. In the long run we'll all be happier if they take their time and make a really great product. Rushing out a mediocre product just to meet a deadline is not going to make anyone happy.
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Sat, 12 July 2008 13:53
tkostek wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 05:14


In the brilliant documentary "Fog of War," the interviewee says something to effect of "I'll be damned if I discuss that, and I'll be damned if I don't. Since I'll be criticized no matter what I do, I've decided to be damned for saying nothing. I have no comment, so let's move on to the next subject."

I'm sure this is DoW's stance at this point.

While I wish we had more info, I think I agree with them. I think people get annoyed with a lack of info, but I think people get angry when you go back on announcements. Better to deal with frustration than outright anger.


I am not familiar with the material you are quoting from, so I cannot comment on that.
What I'm saying is simply that I find DoW is being cautious to the extreme, and I don't like when things goes into extremes. Look at how Fantasy Flight Games is able to create buzz for their games and expansions, often with little effort. With StarCraft some of the earliest tidbits to be released was a 1st player turn marker. All they did was show the picture to the fans and then let people speculate as to what the token actually was!
This helped keep the talk alive on the forum for quite some time. I'm not saying they have to tell us about design decisions or plans they have yet to fully flesh out. There are other ways of keeping the enthusiasm of the fans alive. But it is important to keep the community running. As some other poster mentioned, right now most of the discussion going on is made by the same small group of people. This is really not a good sign.
DoW could show us some preliminary artwork, final artwork from cards, design sketches for miniatures, pictures from play testing etc. etc. They could even show us this kind of material from already released expansions. They would not be required to spend more than a couple of minutes every week, or so. And this way DoW would not be promising us anything, but still keep people talking.
So I have to disagree with you, there is no reason for DoW to be tight lipped to the degree they are at the present.
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Sat, 12 July 2008 18:00
I haven't been on these forums in quite awhile, and haven't played Battlelore in far too long, either. However, it's certainly not because I've given up on the game.

If DOW never releases another expansion for BattleLore it would still be a great game.

If DOW had never released any expansions, only the core set, it would still be a great game.

Now, I absolutely hope we see more expansions, as they do add to the versatility of the game, and I really hope we see a pack akin to the M44 Campaign Bag.

We're about a month away from Gen Con. If we are going to hear anything, we'll hear it there and not before.

I know 2008 has been trying the patience of many BL fans, but we need to be patient a little more. Gen Con may provide some news and the opportunity to speak to DOW directly.

Jeff
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Tue, 15 July 2008 14:45
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/33047

post number two in this geeklist compares of the number of logged plays of all the C&C games over the last years

The number of plays logged for Battlelore have fallen steeply and are now way below the lowest point for M44, and below C&C Ancients.



      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Tue, 15 July 2008 18:50
Jeff Cope wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 17:00


We're about a month away from Gen Con. If we are going to hear anything, we'll hear it there and not before.
Jeff


and if we dont hear anything at gen con?
what then?
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Tue, 15 July 2008 19:12
There is a difference between no more expansions & being dead. Eventually, battlelore will run it's course, in terms of expansions. But I would expect that DOW will continue to support it however they can, which might be just through forums and scenario editors.
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Tue, 15 July 2008 19:45
tom-le-termite wrote on Thu, 10 July 2008 19:46

if you're bored with the game with all the current expensions, this means you have played more than a 100times and you're being picky. How many games can you say you have played so much in 1 year?

we had 5 expension in 2007. We will have another major one in 2008. just wait, do something else. stop whining.

I 've played the game in epic-cta with all expensions more than 70 times already and there still a lot to do before I consider I need more.


Tom and I have a very simple way to keep occupied between releases. We paint our miniatures. Have a look at Tom's excellent work on BGG.

Regards,
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Tue, 15 July 2008 20:07
Roobarb wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 12:50

Jeff Cope wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 17:00


We're about a month away from Gen Con. If we are going to hear anything, we'll hear it there and not before.
Jeff


and if we dont hear anything at gen con?
what then?



Riot. Panic. Go berserk.

Not necescarily in that order.
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Tue, 15 July 2008 21:10
Chaotic_easy_going wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 19:07

Roobarb wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 12:50

Jeff Cope wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 17:00


We're about a month away from Gen Con. If we are going to hear anything, we'll hear it there and not before.
Jeff


and if we dont hear anything at gen con?
what then?



Riot. Panic. Go berserk.

Not necescarily in that order.


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Re:Is the battlore system dead Tue, 15 July 2008 21:36
Roobarb wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 10:50

Jeff Cope wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 17:00


We're about a month away from Gen Con. If we are going to hear anything, we'll hear it there and not before.
Jeff


and if we dont hear anything at gen con?
what then?



I doubt you will hear anything for GenCon - my guess is around Sept/October timeframe.

Cab
      
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Re:Is the battlore system dead Wed, 30 July 2008 09:29
Takiny you at your word, that's exactly what we've done. Breathed life into the Battlelore system by extending the rules into Middle-Earth and beyond!
Check out our developments at http://lotrbattlelore.blogspot.com
      
    
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