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Chinetter
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Re:WARNING Fri, 02 February 2018 21:43
Cachou-et-Spirou has a current score of 1531 based on a bit less than 500 games played. All 2-player and almost all on the Europe maps. S/he has been winning nearly all the time _except_ for the games against Hourrapapa.

Hourrapapa is a much older account, more than 21,000 games played. S/he also plays almost exclusively 2-player and mostly on the Europe maps. Hourrapapa has not played any games against anyone other than Cachou-et-Spirou for more than a month now.

I'm not immediately grasping how having the newer account throw a bunch of games to the older one benefits this user. It appears that Cachou would if not for those Hourrapapa games have a score of at least the high 1600s, possibly above 1700. S/he has to keep playing the Cachou account against others (and winning) in order for the Hourrapapa account to then take score points from Cachou. Does that two-step process result in more points for the Hourrapapa account than simply winning games against the same players that Cachou is beating?
      
billie
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Re:WARNING Fri, 02 February 2018 23:48
it is the same person (check the profiles)

cachou wins against others then gives the points to hourra

pathetic

      
Chinetter
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Re:WARNING Sat, 03 February 2018 04:38
Yea I see that, I'm asking, why? What is the selfish benefit?

If s/he can beat people as one accountname then s/he could beat the same people as the other accountname. Gain the same points from the same wins. What is the purpose of assembling the points indirectly in this manner?
      
billie
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Re:WARNING Sat, 03 February 2018 13:39
knows he cannot beat 17+ players so this is only way to get high in rankings

no friends... ...teenager... ...alone in bedroom...
      
onyx puffin LOL
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Re:WARNING Sat, 03 February 2018 16:44
Chinetter wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 22:38

Yea I see that, I'm asking, why? What is the selfish benefit?

If s/he can beat people as one accountname then s/he could beat the same people as the other accountname. Gain the same points from the same wins. What is the purpose of assembling the points indirectly in this manner?


I have not looked but I assume in the active account, they are collecting points from the 1400 levels. (1500 level beating 1400 level scores about 2 points per win.) So say after 20 games, Spirou has gained 10 points from wins & losses. After winning these points, then one plays the Hourrapapa account, which basically means he can lose 8 times in a row and gain 10 points.

But if Hourrapapa 1700 plays the 1400 levels, when he loses, he loses a lot and the gain is so much lower. It takes a lot more games (probably 2 times) for 1700 level to gain against those lower levels.

[Updated on: Sat, 03 February 2018 16:44]

      
VojFromMars
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Re:WARNING Sat, 03 February 2018 21:18
To make it even more clear : if I was playing at a 1500 level consistently on 2-p EU map (is it a safe assumption ? I'll let others judge Very Happy), it would pretty easy to have a 2000+ account by using multiple accounts.
Assume I'm playing on 5 accounts, I'd use 2 accounts I would keep at 1500 level. Those 2 accounts would feed 2 accounts which would get up to the 1650 level. I would pump off those two accounts for 50 points every time for the benefit of my star account. This process can be repeated withtout limit. The total rating change is conservative in a game so as soon as this would be rolling, I would only need to be able to get my 1450 accounts back to 1500 before washing them out again to my 1600 accounts would would get back to 1650 which could in turn again give 100 points to my main account etc...
It would be a boring grind but there would be little to no limit to this rating pumping. At one point, I would earn so little from my 1600/1650 accounts that I would pump up an another account to 2000+ which in turn could easily be washed out again to get my star account at a 2400 level...
This only proves how easy it is to cheat the rating system if it's not monitored (and it's obviously not monitored) and why this whole stuff makes no sense in a non-competitive environment.
      
Flop Kasi
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Re:WARNING Sun, 04 February 2018 14:27
All this for climbing from #130 to #110? Those things needn't be cheating every time. Perhaps there is just a son playing others, feeling strong enough then to challenge his father with an old account, who actually stopped playing, but comes back for his son for some games. Not everyone plays for the ranking...

I like this game, and my 15 years old son is really good in playing games. Perhaps he once start a career here. I'm sure, he'd loose a lot of games vs me at the beginning, but could beat 1400er and 1500er early. So this could be a performance of my son and me too.

Carsten
      
billie
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Re:WARNING Mon, 05 February 2018 15:50
Kasi

bless you for believing the best of people. Funny though that the 'son' can beat everyone else but loses sometimes by over 400 points to the father..........

Laughing
      
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Re:WARNING Mon, 05 February 2018 16:38
billie écrit le Mon, 05 February 2018 09:50

Kasi

bless you for believing the best of people. Funny though that the 'son' can beat everyone else but loses sometimes by over 400 points to the father..........

Laughing


What kind of a father!!! Shocked
      
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Re:WARNING Mon, 05 February 2018 21:59
billie wrote on Mon, 05 February 2018 15:50

Kasi

bless you for believing the best of people. Funny though that the 'son' can beat everyone else but loses sometimes by over 400 points to the father..........

Laughing


Not that unrealistic a scenario for Kasi and his son Razz
      
Flop Kasi
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Re:WARNING Wed, 07 February 2018 08:53
billie schrieb am Mon, 05 February 2018 15:50

Kasi

bless you for believing the best of people. Funny though that the 'son' can beat everyone else but loses sometimes by over 400 points to the father..........

Laughing


Just to boot ur rank, it's not necessary to win by 400 points, it would take too much time. But a frustrated son could draw tix after tix...

Sure, it CAN be cheating, but it's just not enough for me to INSINUATE cheating. Be careful with that, please.

Carsten
      
Stason
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Re:WARNING Wed, 07 February 2018 09:26
Laughing Laughing LOL Laughing
      
billie
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Re:WARNING Wed, 07 February 2018 14:24
Kasi I am sorry if I cause offence

I just base my judgement on what is 99.99% probable - and it is galling to see good players supplanted by... ...er... ...less good players at the top of the ranking.

But I waste no more time on the subject, let us see how long it takes Hourrapapa to become bored with it.

Very best regards

B
      
billie
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Re:WARNING Wed, 07 February 2018 14:30
Oh and by the way '5th grader' is enjoying a remarkably similar rise up the rankings, and has a similarly small number of opponents.
A lot of fathers and sons playing, it seems.
      
billie
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Re:WARNING Wed, 07 February 2018 14:32
only he is less patient - his opponents always score 0
      
Frontenac
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Re:WARNING Wed, 07 February 2018 17:00
billie écrit le Wed, 07 February 2018 08:30

Oh and by the way '5th grader' is enjoying a remarkably similar rise up the rankings, and has a similarly small number of opponents.
A lot of fathers and sons playing, it seems.



Maybe he's Hourrapapa's son...
      
Flop Kasi
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Re:WARNING Wed, 07 February 2018 17:30
Ok guys, excuse me, I see him being 3rd now. I apologize, I was thinking TOO good about the players here. Perhaps I really was too naive...

Carsten
      
onyx puffin LOL
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Re:WARNING Wed, 07 February 2018 19:09
Flop Kasi wrote on Wed, 07 February 2018 11:30

Ok guys, excuse me, I see him being 3rd now. I apologize, I was thinking TOO good about the players here. Perhaps I really was too naive...

Carsten


Interesting, looking at Cachou-et-Spirou's score, he wins a lot when not playing hourrapapa. Wonder what that rating would be without all those losses to hourrapapa?



Actually, I just looked at hourrapapa history (to see if from 2007 until now if I had played him/her, and did not see anything there) however I noted he/she does win at quite a high rate even when not playing Cahou-et-Spirou.
But when I looked history, I noticed when he plays a player I know (a top 200 type) he lost 19 of the 20 I looked at. So not sure what this means. If he is also exploiting system of timer in the Steam system or has that problem been corrected?

[Updated on: Wed, 07 February 2018 19:20]

      
billie
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Re:WARNING Wed, 07 February 2018 19:25
ideally a nice league where hourrapapa can play fifth grader and new kleer all day. then they will all be in the top 3 all the time - everybody wins
      
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Re:WARNING Wed, 07 February 2018 21:24
You? Naïve? Never!!!

Old on the other hand - absolutely. Razz Laughing
      
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Re:WARNING Tue, 20 February 2018 11:27
i have a question, the 3 top players at this moment are all of them cheaters? fifth grader, hourrapapa and general7star, they have a very suspect historial gaming. why they do this style of traps? i don't understand...
      
FLOP Hecki
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Re:WARNING Tue, 20 February 2018 17:20
Because they have too much time and a lack of decency. Sad
      
_ADR_
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Re:WARNING Tue, 20 February 2018 21:59
I have too much time too, and i spend my time playing TTR game with other human with brain players and i don't need to create false counts to increse one of theme, what they win with this? they have to be a retardet humans then, poor people.
      
VojFromMars
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Re:WARNING Tue, 20 February 2018 22:25
Come on, they're just a bunch of dads beating up their kids. Or the other way around.
Sorry Carsten couldn't resist Embarassed
      
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Re:WARNING Wed, 21 February 2018 00:00
_ADR_ écrit le Tue, 20 February 2018 05:27

i have a question, the 3 top players at this moment are all of them cheaters? fifth grader, hourrapapa and general7star, they have a very suspect historial gaming. why they do this style of traps? i don't understand...


I never refuse a challenge to anyone, on any map.

If you want to play me on Java, feel free to ask.
      
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Re:WARNING Wed, 21 February 2018 10:02
KASI is the best in my heart.

everything else does not matter.

Smile
      
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Re:WARNING Wed, 21 February 2018 13:46
_ADR_ wrote on Tue, 20 February 2018 05:27

i have a question, the 3 top players at this moment are all of them cheaters? fifth grader, hourrapapa and general7star, they have a very suspect historial gaming. why they do this style of traps? i don't understand...


To be fair with general7star, as far as I can tell, while he had a shady history in use of timer and quitting games that would impact his rating thus inflating his rating by that method of cheating, when he has been called on it over and over now, he has changed.

I can foresee a time in the future eventually when general7star will be allowed into tournaments. His rating obviously would still be impacted by that history of many months ago now.
      
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Re:WARNING Wed, 21 February 2018 14:26
ITA dandee écrit le Wed, 21 February 2018 04:02

KASI is the best in my heart.

everything else does not matter.

Smile


Hard to change that if I'm not allowed to be in tournaments... Confused
      
FLOP Hecki
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Re:WARNING Wed, 21 February 2018 14:33
onyx puffin BAM schrieb am Wed, 21 February 2018 13:46

To be fair with general7star, as far as I can tell, while he had a shady history in use of timer and quitting games that would impact his rating thus inflating his rating by that method of cheating, when he has been called on it over and over now, he has changed.


Sorry Dale, that wasn't long ago. I remember two weeks ago when he still opened his 1-day-long games in Steam. And you can still see people writing about this almost every day. Hi still does this bullshit again and again and again.

onyx puffin BAM schrieb am Wed, 21 February 2018 13:46

I can foresee a time in the future eventually when general7star will be allowed into tournaments. His rating obviously would still be impacted by that history of many months ago now.


And this will be the day when many other players will quit the tournament. If players like this baby are allowed to play tournaments you will kill the last confidence in our community.

It's a shame that DOW/Steam did not delete these accounts.
      
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Re:WARNING Wed, 21 February 2018 15:01
No Dale.

General7star is the only one in mine ignore list.
I play some games one month ago and when he knows he's losing, wait for the end of the time hoping that your server disconnects.
Something that unfortunately happened to me.

Moreover one who has used racist terms does not deserve any chance of forgiveness.

dan;)
      
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Re:WARNING Wed, 21 February 2018 21:18
onyx puffin BAM wrote on Wed, 21 February 2018 13:46

_ADR_ wrote on Tue, 20 February 2018 05:27

i have a question, the 3 top players at this moment are all of them cheaters? fifth grader, hourrapapa and general7star, they have a very suspect historial gaming. why they do this style of traps? i don't understand...


To be fair with general7star, as far as I can tell, while he had a shady history in use of timer and quitting games that would impact his rating thus inflating his rating by that method of cheating, when he has been called on it over and over now, he has changed.

I can foresee a time in the future eventually when general7star will be allowed into tournaments. His rating obviously would still be impacted by that history of many months ago now.



Could it be, that while you think you are "one of the more understanding players here", you are in fact one of the least understanding players here ?

Please read up on psychopathy and sociopathy. It is estimated that it is present in 5% of the population. Any interaction is just an opportunity for these people to hone their skills.
      
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Re:WARNING Wed, 21 February 2018 22:05
Truckerteller écrit le Wed, 21 February 2018 15:18

onyx puffin BAM wrote on Wed, 21 February 2018 13:46

_ADR_ wrote on Tue, 20 February 2018 05:27

i have a question, the 3 top players at this moment are all of them cheaters? fifth grader, hourrapapa and general7star, they have a very suspect historial gaming. why they do this style of traps? i don't understand...


To be fair with general7star, as far as I can tell, while he had a shady history in use of timer and quitting games that would impact his rating thus inflating his rating by that method of cheating, when he has been called on it over and over now, he has changed.

I can foresee a time in the future eventually when general7star will be allowed into tournaments. His rating obviously would still be impacted by that history of many months ago now.



Could it be, that while you think you are "one of the more understanding players here", you are in fact one of the least understanding players here ?

Please read up on psychopathy and sociopathy. It is estimated that it is present in 5% of the population. Any interaction is just an opportunity for these people to hone their skills.

I read almost all your interactions on the forum, especially those prior to my beginning in T2R world, and you cleary belong to this group (btw, are you referring to US population? M? F? According to my readings it's more like 10% among white males... Just my 2¢).
      
scorps4
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Re:WARNING Thu, 22 February 2018 21:49
What you are here general7, and what you represent, is a sad commentary on the state of things in the TTR world and beyond.

[Updated on: Thu, 22 February 2018 21:51]

      
onyx puffin LOL
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Re:WARNING Thu, 22 February 2018 22:18
From the reactions here and notes from Hecki and dandee, I am obviously out of the loop. Certainly it seems like general7 star has not changed his ways enough.

And I admit, I forgot about the racially charged commentary that occurred on Steam.

Thanks to all for the clarification.
      
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Re:WARNING Fri, 06 April 2018 08:56
Another bad cheating example:
https://www.daysofwonder.com/en/gamehistory/?playerid=315164 5&year=0&noaborted=true&game=TT&start=40& ;count=20

He got 4-5 points for every game.

I was keeping silence even after he did it 20 times in a row to see if he will stop using a bug. No, he didn't and i have to show that now:
two other games vs "no name" opponent
https://www.daysofwonder.com/en/gamehistory/?game=TT&pla yerid=3151645
      
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Re:WARNING Fri, 06 April 2018 12:10
Shit...who the hell is Europameister???? So I thank Dandee and Dale and some others, who organize tournaments, where u meet and play fair and good players like dea, sysy or all the others, that disappeared the last months. Without tournaments, there are really too many poor people without any pride.

Carsten
      
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Re:WARNING Sun, 08 April 2018 16:00
its very strange... all the people speak bad about europamenster, he have an other account, tinkabelle
      
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Re:WARNING Sat, 14 April 2018 14:59
Golfgirls don't wait when a player's connection fall down, after our definetely last game, i was winning by diference, at her last move my connection falled down, then she didn't waited me and left the game to don't lose her points, i think its pathetic, its not for a frienly game. on ignore list
      
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Re:WARNING Sat, 14 April 2018 17:07
MacMurphy finishes versus BOTS - be aware!
Just another lifetime block...
      
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Re:WARNING Mon, 16 April 2018 22:50
bugs in java?


http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=j5yxoo&s=9#.WtUMW-Qh1PY

[Updated on: Mon, 16 April 2018 22:53]

      
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