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VanRoyal
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Bad sportsmanship?! Thu, 31 March 2011 16:39
Today I was accused of bad sportsmanship by Whitetrain. Why? Because I apparently lack the superhuman reflexes to leave a game after he drops in the final turn of a game and bot plays before I could respond.

The events as they happened:

My final turn, I play 4 white. Then it's Whitetrains turn. He drops from the game. The moment I notice this - which is no more then 3 seconds after - bot plays his final 4 blues in a stupid track, which causes Whitetrain to lose longest and the game. One second after bot has played Whitetrain re-enters the game. All of this took place in no more then a few seconds.

I immediately express my 'condolences', acknowledge it was actually his win and ask if he want's a re to get his points back. No response. I then read he is putting someone on his ignore list. I jokingly ask if he means bot instead of me, as I could not imagine he would ignore me for this. Since there is no response and I couldn't join his new game it is obvious I am the one being ignored.

When I ask for someone to get him to un-ignore me he refuses and claims I have bad sportsmanship. He doesn't even take the effort to hear what I have to say. If you ask me that is more bad sportsmanship then what I supposedly 'did'.

Now, I don't really mind not being able to play versus Whitetrain so he can ignore me all he wants, but I do mind being falsely accused of being a bad sport. I hope to have set the matter straight with this post.

If I knew beforehand that playing versus Whitetrain would mean I had to keep my eye on the players-list at all times and leave the game the second he drops, even though there is no time to do this, I would have never joined a game of his. I guess I should be happy that I am now unable to play him....

GG Whitetrain, HF.
      
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Re:Bad sportsmanship?! Fri, 01 April 2011 12:19
Gladly you noticed, that you would have lost the game. Thats a start allready. You saw the bot placing the 4 blue on the wrong track, so the right way to act for my taste, is to offer to leave the game, not to offer a RE Laughing Laughing Laughing . You were well served with not losing points then. But of course the 5 points were too tempting Laughing Laughing Laughing .

I think, you are the only Top 50 Player, that i know, who didnt even offer to leave. Why taking a win that you didnt diserve ???????????????????????? Offer to leave and then play the RE, thats the way to do it.

Have fun winning vs bots, but i will not give you that chance again.

[Updated on: Fri, 01 April 2011 12:53]

      
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Re:Bad sportsmanship?! Fri, 01 April 2011 16:23
WhiteTrain wrote on Fri, 01 April 2011 12:19

Gladly you noticed, that you would have lost the game. Thats a start allready. You saw the bot placing the 4 blue on the wrong track, so the right way to act for my taste, is to offer to leave the game, not to offer a RE Laughing Laughing Laughing . You were well served with not losing points then. But of course the 5 points were too tempting Laughing Laughing Laughing .

I think, you are the only Top 50 Player, that i know, who didnt even offer to leave. Why taking a win that you didnt diserve ???????????????????????? Offer to leave and then play the RE, thats the way to do it.

Have fun winning vs bots, but i will not give you that chance again.


Have you considered that someone who writes this in the English forum and not in the competitive forum, might be not that up to speed with the "right way" to handle this and might not be aware of the possibility of both leaving and thereby annuling the game ? I've come across quite some players who were unaware of it.
      
VanRoyal
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Re:Bad sportsmanship?! Fri, 01 April 2011 18:51
WhiteTrain wrote on Fri, 01 April 2011 12:19

Gladly you noticed, that you would have lost the game. Thats a start allready. You saw the bot placing the 4 blue on the wrong track, so the right way to act for my taste, is to offer to leave the game, not to offer a RE Laughing Laughing Laughing . You were well served with not losing points then. But of course the 5 points were too tempting Laughing Laughing Laughing .

I think, you are the only Top 50 Player, that i know, who didnt even offer to leave. Why taking a win that you didnt diserve ???????????????????????? Offer to leave and then play the RE, thats the way to do it.

Have fun winning vs bots, but i will not give you that chance again.


Well hi there Captain Hindsight. Would have, should have, could have. Like I give a rats ass about 5 measily points. If you really think that the reason for me not offering to leave is points you are seriously too obsessed with this *game*.

If you were that concerned about your beloved points, why didn't you say something right then and there and ASK me to leave to cancel the game? If I knew you were that desperate I would have glady done so. The fact of the matter is that I have never had a situation like this (someone leaving the game in the final turn) happen to me before in more then 7500 games, so I am unfamiliar with 'the proper way to act'. The idea of leaving to cancel the game never occured to me. Probably because I am not that anal about points and didn't think it would matter.

Oh well, luckily there are plenty of normal and rational people to play against.

p.s. why did you leave the game in the first place? Normally when someone has a connection problem it takes quite a while for the bot to enter and play. In this case you leaving, the bot playing and you returning all happened in a matter of seconds. That makes me think you left the game on your own accord, which makes this whole thing even more rediculous.

[Updated on: Fri, 01 April 2011 18:54]

      
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Re:Bad sportsmanship?! Fri, 01 April 2011 23:27
Why should i leave a game, that i win for sure you nut? But i am sure you never played someone with a W-LAN in your 7500 games: Laughing

I think you diserve the place on the ignore list even more than i thought. You fit well in one row with Dennis Wink

      
VanRoyal
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Re:Bad sportsmanship?! Sat, 02 April 2011 10:00
WhiteTrain wrote on Fri, 01 April 2011 23:27

Why should i leave a game, that i win for sure you nut? But i am sure you never played someone with a W-LAN in your 7500 games: Laughing

I think you diserve the place on the ignore list even more than i thought. You fit well in one row with Dennis Wink



Edit: you know what? I'm not even going to bother anymore.

[Updated on: Sat, 02 April 2011 10:46]

      
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Re:Bad sportsmanship?! Sun, 03 April 2011 04:55
Having just read the above post and the replies from white train i now know why i play ticket to ride less and less online.

I play these games for enjoyment and i have had many enjoyable games against lots of varied and friendly people.

But when i see and read comments like those above where the game and winning at all counts has obviously become a major obsession, then it's time to try out a few other more relaxing and hopefully much friendlier games

Memoir 44 online is a excellent example. The people there are extremily polite, friendly and very proactive in the forum which leads to a much nicer and enjoyable playing experience.

I am not against competition as such, (I enjoy winning as much as anyone), but i like to think, that i am not so obsessed and paranoid, that i can leave a game that i lost, with a polite thank you to the opponent.



      
VanRoyal
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Re:Bad sportsmanship?! Sun, 03 April 2011 08:56
Most of the TTR players i've 'met' online are nice, normal and friendly people Eldonion, I think Whitetrain is just an exception to the rule. That was why I was so surprised by his reaction. You would expect different from someone with over 10000 games played.
      
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Re:Bad sportsmanship?! Sun, 03 April 2011 09:21
VanRoyal schrieb am Sun, 03 April 2011 08:56

Most of the TTR players i've 'met' online are nice, normal and friendly people Eldonion, I think Whitetrain is just an exception to the rule. That was why I was so surprised by his reaction. You would expect different from someone with over 10000 games played.



I thought, you didnt want to bother anymore. Most people i play with, play fair and are nice on top. You are neither nice nor fair. I would expect different from a player with 7500+ games.
And if you write another 1000 lines about it, the fact is ....

YOU ARE JUST A BOT FINISHER
      
VanRoyal
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Re:Bad sportsmanship?! Sun, 03 April 2011 10:13
WhiteTrain wrote on Sun, 03 April 2011 09:21


I thought, you didnt want to bother anymore. Most people i play with, play fair and are nice on top. You are neither nice nor fair. I would expect different from a player with 7500+ games.
And if you write another 1000 lines about it, the fact is ....

YOU ARE JUST A BOT FINISHER

Oh no, now you've really hurt my feelings. Writing this in big red letters and all. I wonder if I can still sleep at night.

I ment I wasn't going to try and bother reasoning with you, numbnuts, not that I wouldn't respond to the mentally sane people out there.

I'll try one more time though: don't you think life is too short to hold grudges like this? I mean, it's just a little game. Being ranked lower for only a second isn't the worst thing in the world, is it? I'm sure a player of your stature would have gotten those points back in a matter of minutes. But I guess it takes a big man to admit he might have overreacted....
      
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Re:Bad sportsmanship?! Sun, 03 April 2011 10:36
I wonder what it takes to realize that you made a mistake not me Smile
      
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Re:Bad sportsmanship?! Mon, 04 April 2011 04:55
I was under the impression that is was considered protocol even in competitive/tournament play that someone who suffered a disconnect had to live with one play by the bot and could not blame that on the opponent. Have I misunderstood this?
      
VanRoyal
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Re:Bad sportsmanship?! Mon, 04 April 2011 08:18
A_Canadian_eh wrote on Mon, 04 April 2011 04:55

I was under the impression that is was considered protocol even in competitive/tournament play that someone who suffered a disconnect had to live with one play by the bot and could not blame that on the opponent. Have I misunderstood this?

Normally when someone drops during a game it's common to wait until the player returns. Everyone who has played me knows I would do this. If my opponent doesn't return within 5 minutes I would leave the game. I think most of the (top 500?) players would do this.

This case however was totally different - there was no option of 'waiting' for the opponent to return, since the game was already over. The thing to do, from what I understand, was then to both leave the game. And as i've said before: I would have done so if I knew that was an option.

So, to sum it up:

If someone drops from the game: wait a few minutes for them to return. If they do not return, leave the game.

If Whitetrain drops from the game: doesn't matter what you do, since in Whitetrains world Whitetrain is always right. I'm sure he would have thought of something to whine about even if I had the wits to leave the game. Then I would probably have had to somehow sense his impending disconnect, call his internet-provider in Germany and tell them to send an engineer over ASAP so he wouldn't disconnect. Then the engineer wouldn't have been there in time and this whole thing would also be my fault. Oh how it must suck to live in Whitetrains world, where nothing connects except the tracks.
      
    
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