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gheintze
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Wed, 15 June 2011 08:42
 
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Update:
200 total victories as Lt. Colonel
100 as Allies
100 as Axis
Next goal -- to get 20 victories as each side on every front.
Current status:
Eastern: Allies 20, Axis 18
Mediterranean: Allies 20, Axis 26
Pacific: Allies 26, Axis 15
Western: Allies 34, Axis 41
So just a few more...
Nobody else has earned the promotion to Colonel -- so we are all still looking for answers.
Geoff
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Nygaard
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Wed, 15 June 2011 12:28
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| gheintze wrote on Wed, 15 June 2011 08:42 |
Update:
200 total victories as Lt. Colonel
100 as Allies
100 as Axis
Next goal -- to get 20 victories as each side on every front.
Current status:
Eastern: Allies 20, Axis 18
Mediterranean: Allies 20, Axis 26
Pacific: Allies 26, Axis 15
Western: Allies 34, Axis 41
So just a few more...
Nobody else has earned the promotion to Colonel -- so we are all still looking for answers.
Geoff
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I think you should get a field promotion, Geoff...
And as a matter of fact, I vote you as temporary General of the Army until such times as somebody else earns that title!
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gheintze
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Nygaard
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Wed, 15 June 2011 13:28
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| gheintze wrote on Wed, 15 June 2011 12:49 |
Thanks, Nygaard!
I keep seeing you in the lobby but you're always busy with other opponents. Perhaps I just need to play a Dane to get promoted. 
On an unrelated topic, I'm up to 15 battles played on their anniversary date for the advanced historian badge, but still haven't earned that either. Need to keep playing...
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Hehe - maybe those frenchies at DoW haven't forgiven us Vikings for sacking Paris back in the days...
But I'm certainly willing to meet you on the battlefield and find out if beating a Dane is part of the promotion requirements! 
As for the historian battles - isn't that because Advanced Historian hasn't been activated yet?
Magnus
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gheintze
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Turboheizer
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Wed, 15 June 2011 18:11
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I presume that the advanced historian badge is awarded for having played ALL battles on their historical date. Maybe the original 16 maps are enough, otherwise all 41. So we will know after Arracourt at the earliest.
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gheintze
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Nygaard
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Wed, 15 June 2011 21:53
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| gheintze wrote on Wed, 15 June 2011 21:26 |
Magnus, do you have any idea what the breakdown of your victories is since making Lt. Colonel? Maybe if more of the Lt. Colonels would post their records, we could figure out the answer sooner. You have an awful lot of games, so I would think that you are past me in victories as a Lt. Colonel.
Maybe you should be General of the Army in the European Theater of Operations.
Have you played many cadets? Have you won every battle from both sides?
If we compile and look at more data, we can attempt to tackle the problem from different angles.
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Aw, man... I haven't really thought about it, and I've played an awful lot of cadets, but mostly on the same "introduction" maps - so while I'm pretty sure I've got victories across all theatres of war, I have no clue how many of them have been against cadets, for instance...
And I've deliberately avoided some maps (Gallabat & Metemma, I'm looking at you!) so I might have a twisted score in some theatres.
I really would like to help, but of all the funny little sub-games of the online-version the promotion is the one I pay the least attention to (I still haven't gotten the Lucky Stars and I love Pineapples achievements - after 1500 games!!!)
I'll try to keep more score from now on and let you know.
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gheintze
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Wed, 15 June 2011 22:02
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| Nygaard wrote on Wed, 15 June 2011 15:53 |
| gheintze wrote on Wed, 15 June 2011 21:26 |
Magnus, do you have any idea what the breakdown of your victories is since making Lt. Colonel? Maybe if more of the Lt. Colonels would post their records, we could figure out the answer sooner. You have an awful lot of games, so I would think that you are past me in victories as a Lt. Colonel.
Maybe you should be General of the Army in the European Theater of Operations.
Have you played many cadets? Have you won every battle from both sides?
If we compile and look at more data, we can attempt to tackle the problem from different angles.
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Aw, man... I haven't really thought about it, and I've played an awful lot of cadets, but mostly on the same "introduction" maps - so while I'm pretty sure I've got victories across all theatres of war, I have no clue how many of them have been against cadets, for instance...
And I've deliberately avoided some maps (Gallabat & Metemma, I'm looking at you!) so I might have a twisted score in some theatres.
I really would like to help, but of all the funny little sub-games of the online-version the promotion is the one I pay the least attention to (I still haven't gotten the Lucky Stars and I love Pineapples achievements - after 1500 games!!!)
I'll try to keep more score from now on and let you know.
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No problem, Magnus. I was just curious.
It was actually pretty easy to break down into fronts. I just downloaded the excel files from the officer career page (i had to paste the results together from the two files to get all my battles from Lt. Colonel onward together). Then I sorted by front, side played, and victory. Select all the victories and see how big the selected area is -- and you have the number of victories in that front and side.
It would be even easier if they would just have 2010 and 2011 files and not the past 15 days.
Glad to hear I'm not the only one with a bad feeling about Gallabat and Metemma. I really struggled to win that one as the Axis, but didn't find it too hard to lose as the Allies. It just doesn't fit with my aggressive style, I guess.
Geoff
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Turboheizer
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Wed, 15 June 2011 22:53
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I still haven't gotten the Lucky Stars
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In this case, four stars are anything but lucky ...
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Phread
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Thu, 16 June 2011 02:17
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| Turboheizer wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 08:53 |
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I still haven't gotten the Lucky Stars
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In this case, four stars are anything but lucky ...
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4 stars are lucky - lucky for the player being shot at, unlucky for the shooter.
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jamesherrell
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Thu, 16 June 2011 02:58
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Could it be, and I'm just speculating here, that DOW somehow messed up when they changed the "recruit 5 new players" requirement to make Colonel and made them achievements instead? In other words, maybe the rank of Colonel hasn't been "unlocked" yet - but DOW is keeping mum on the topic.
Guess we'll know for sure when version 1.1 comes out - unless someone here knows a way to ask DOW directly.
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Phread
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Thu, 16 June 2011 03:55
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Messages posted in these forums are read by DoW staff.
They respond if or when they want to, or when it is appropriate to.
Not knowing how to get promoted can be frustrating.
Equally it can be frustrating to see step-by-step promotion instructions posted for the "lower ranks." It takes away some of the mystique and makes it (too) easy for some.
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gheintze
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Thu, 16 June 2011 04:34
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| Phread wrote on Wed, 15 June 2011 21:55 |
Messages posted in these forums are read by DoW staff.
They respond if or when they want to, or when it is appropriate to.
Not knowing how to get promoted can be frustrating.
Equally it can be frustrating to see step-by-step promotion instructions posted for the "lower ranks." It takes away some of the mystique and makes it (too) easy for some.
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I choose to believe that DoW is not responding anymore because we're on the right track.
I'm trying to learn from the positive outlook of Jesse. 
Geoff
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Thu, 16 June 2011 05:17
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| gheintze wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 06:34 |
| Phread wrote on Wed, 15 June 2011 21:55 |
Messages posted in these forums are read by DoW staff.
They respond if or when they want to, or when it is appropriate to.
Not knowing how to get promoted can be frustrating.
Equally it can be frustrating to see step-by-step promotion instructions posted for the "lower ranks." It takes away some of the mystique and makes it (too) easy for some.
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I choose to believe that DoW is not responding anymore because we're on the right track.
I'm trying to learn from the positive outlook of Jesse.
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That's a great outlook!! Nice job, Geoff and good luck with the promotion search.
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gheintze
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Tabou
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Thu, 16 June 2011 14:34
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Sometimes, I wonder if "lost in translation" might occur in the hints.
French:
"Les Colonels ont une telle expérience du combat qu'ils ont gagné de nombreuses batailles... mais ils ont également entraîné et mené les jeunes Aspirants au combat !"
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"Colonels have seen - and won - it all... But the capacity to train new Cadets into Combat is what makes a true leader!"
The way I interperting the French one, it says that "Colonels has a sort of combat experience where they won many battles." ... "But trained and guided cadets to combat". I don't really find a there is any hint regarding winning each side/front. I think a key word would be "a sort of combat experience". This could mean winning battles in lop sided scores ? Winning a number of games against the odds ? Perhaps specifically against cadets.
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gheintze
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Tabou
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Thu, 16 June 2011 15:58
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| gheintze wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 09:20 |
Tabou, did you ever figure out what was keeping you from your promotion to Lt. Colonel? I keep thinking about that as i try to figure this one out.
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Nope, never figured it out. If I ever get time, I'll compare records with other people. It sort of bugs me. My final post in the Promotion Requirement threads shows some insigths about my record.
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gheintze
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Thu, 16 June 2011 16:10
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| Tabou wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 09:58 |
| gheintze wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 09:20 |
Tabou, did you ever figure out what was keeping you from your promotion to Lt. Colonel? I keep thinking about that as i try to figure this one out.
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Nope, never figured it out. If I ever get time, I'll compare records with other people. It sort of bugs me. My final post in the Promotion Requirement threads shows some insigths about my record.
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It's just so difficult to go back and figure out the ranks of your opponents at the time of the battle. It may have something to do with the variety of opponents...but without knowing for certain it seems unreasonable to specifically try for that.
Geoff
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jamesherrell
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Thu, 16 June 2011 17:51
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Roger that. What I started doing is noting the rank of my opponent myself, on the same spreadsheet that shows your battles/ victories, etc. right after the battle
I realize this may be diificult, if not impossible in hindsight, but at least going forward I can see how many cadets I played.
I have another thought - this one pertaining to the French/ English translation and the original requirement of 5 recruits/ 3 promoted. It says "Colonels have trained and led many cadets into battl." I suspect part of the requirement may be how those cadets you battled subsequently perform. I know this sounds as if it is out of your control - but is it really? Not if you've given them guidance while battling them when they were still green.
And think about it - the band of brothers instructor badge is given only after your own recruits have won battles/ been promoted, on their own merits.
So let's look up who we've played against in the last 15 days, find all those that are still cadets and/or 2nd looeys, and battle them some more!
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gheintze
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Thu, 16 June 2011 18:48
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| jamesherrell wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 11:51 |
I have another thought - this one pertaining to the French/ English translation and the original requirement of 5 recruits/ 3 promoted. It says "Colonels have trained and led many cadets into battl." I suspect part of the requirement may be how those cadets you battled subsequently perform. I know this sounds as if it is out of your control - but is it really? Not if you've given them guidance while battling them when they were still green.
And think about it - the band of brothers instructor badge is given only after your own recruits have won battles/ been promoted, on their own merits.
So let's look up who we've played against in the last 15 days, find all those that are still cadets and/or 2nd looeys, and battle them some more!
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I thought about that as well, but it's too much trouble to keep up with and find them online at the times I'm playing.
I'm just going to keep playing -- there a few scenarios I haven't played much lately and I'd like to keep working at some of the more difficult scenarios. So I'll just do that and see what happens.
My fear is that there is a bug for the promotion or that I've just missed a silly box to check off -- similar to Tabou and his Lt. Colonel quest. I'm having a lot of trouble believing that 200 victories isn't enough.
Geoff
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Nygaard
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Thu, 16 June 2011 18:59
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| gheintze wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 18:48 |
My fear is that there is a bug for the promotion or that I've just missed a silly box to check off -- similar to Tabou and his Lt. Colonel quest. I'm having a lot of trouble believing that 200 victories isn't enough.
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SPOILER
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SPOILER!
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SPOILER!!!!
OK... now that it's just us and you DoW guys - please look at Geoff's stats higher in this thread, should that have granted him a promotion? You can tell us, we'll keep your secrets.
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gheintze
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Thu, 16 June 2011 19:02
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| Nygaard wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 12:59 |
| gheintze wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 18:48 |
My fear is that there is a bug for the promotion or that I've just missed a silly box to check off -- similar to Tabou and his Lt. Colonel quest. I'm having a lot of trouble believing that 200 victories isn't enough.
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SPOILER
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SPOILER!
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SPOILER!!!!
OK... now that it's just us and you DoW guys - please look at Geoff's stats higher in this thread, should that have granted him a promotion? You can tell us, we'll keep your secrets.
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Tabou
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Thu, 16 June 2011 22:00
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| jamesherrell wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 11:51 |
I have another thought - this one pertaining to the French/ English translation and the original requirement of 5 recruits/ 3 promoted. It says "Colonels have trained and led many cadets into battl." I suspect part of the requirement may be how those cadets you battled subsequently perform. I know this sounds as if it is out of your control - but is it really? Not if you've given them guidance while battling them when they were still green.
And think about it - the band of brothers instructor badge is given only after your own recruits have won battles/ been promoted, on their own merits.
So let's look up who we've played against in the last 15 days, find all those that are still cadets and/or 2nd looeys, and battle them some more!
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This sounds like a pyramid scheme !!! 
But it makes sense. Maybe the promotion is dependent on the number of cadets you played and acheived higher rank later on !
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gheintze
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Thu, 16 June 2011 22:24
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| Tabou wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 16:00 |
| jamesherrell wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 11:51 |
I have another thought - this one pertaining to the French/ English translation and the original requirement of 5 recruits/ 3 promoted. It says "Colonels have trained and led many cadets into battl." I suspect part of the requirement may be how those cadets you battled subsequently perform. I know this sounds as if it is out of your control - but is it really? Not if you've given them guidance while battling them when they were still green.
And think about it - the band of brothers instructor badge is given only after your own recruits have won battles/ been promoted, on their own merits.
So let's look up who we've played against in the last 15 days, find all those that are still cadets and/or 2nd looeys, and battle them some more!
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This sounds like a pyramid scheme !!!
But it makes sense. Maybe the promotion is dependent on the number of cadets you played and acheived higher rank later on !
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I really don't think this is a requirement. In the other thread, Yann stated that we would need to play a large variety of cadets -- he didn't say anything about them getting promoted. That only has to do with the Band of Brothers achievement. And in any case, at least 10 cadets were promoted to 2nd Lt. after playing and beating me...
Above, Eric seemed to imply that the problem was with the rest of my record and had to do with the number of victories or experience I had as a Lt. Colonel. I think there is some criteria that I just haven't fulfilled yet. Perhaps I have 'won' enough, but not 'seen' enough...
I'll keep you posted. 
Geoff
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gheintze
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Fri, 17 June 2011 04:38
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| gheintze wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 16:24 |
Perhaps I have 'won' enough, but not 'seen' enough...
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Well, I noticed that there were four battles that I had only played once/side and thought maybe you had to play every battle twice, but that wasn't it either.
Now, I really have no idea...
Thanks to Nygaard for playing all 8 battles with me tonight. It was a lot of fun and we had some interesting discussions.
Geoff
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sam1812
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Fri, 17 June 2011 06:36
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Maybe, after you fulfill all the requirements, it waits a random number of games before awarding your promotion. It takes time to get these things countersigned in triplicate.
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Phread
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Fri, 17 June 2011 06:48
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Maybe, after you fulfill all the requirements, it waits a random number of games before awarding your promotion. It takes time to get these things countersigned in triplicate.
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I don't think DoW are that tricky to wait for a random number of games before awarding a promotion.
I agree with others that we simply haven't discovered the secret yet.
Having just completed winning all battles from both sides since my last promotion I will simply concentrate on having fun.
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gheintze
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Fri, 17 June 2011 15:23
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Having just completed winning all battles from both sides since my last promotion I will simply concentrate on having fun.
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I concede as well. I'm at a complete and utter loss and have no new theories as to what we're missing.
I'm still not entirely comfortable with a few of the Pacific scenarios. So I'm going to concentrate on 'The Meat Grinder' and 'Sugarloaf and Half Moon', at least until I win both again.
I too will now play just for fun and for improving my skills. Good luck to those hoping to find the answers! I look forward to hearing from you.
Geoff
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Tabou
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Fri, 17 June 2011 15:51
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How about this as a conspiracy theory: 
DOW collects key words that are typed in the interactive message box during your game. Now, if this game is against a cadet, certain key "help/train" words are tracked and counted. After counting X number of those words, you are promoted because: "... the capacity to train new Cadets into Combat is what makes a true leader!"
-Tabou
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gheintze
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Fri, 17 June 2011 16:00
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How about this as a conspiracy theory:
DOW collects key words that are typed in the interactive message box during your game. Now, if this game is against a cadet, certain key "help/train" words are tracked and counted. After counting X number of those words, you are promoted because: "... the capacity to train new Cadets into Combat is what makes a true leader!"
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I thought about that as well. If that is the case, there is no way to figure out when you've accomplished it. And since there is no way to be sure it's a requirement, I won't go after that.
Besides as a general rule, I always tell Cadets that I'm playing to ask any questions if they have any. I offer strategy tips and ask if they've played the board game. So, I should have hit any of those requirements if they are well designed.
Geoff
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Sat, 18 June 2011 18:37
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Maybe for some ranks they could provide several ways of achieving promotion. Since some players play a huge amount of games (an amount of exp. points?). Or include some brevet ranks...
Or as reward for future competitions/campaigns... 
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gheintze
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Well, before you read any further take a look to the left and notice the silver eagle.
That's right! I got promoted to Colonel tonight -- five minutes after Phread.
Unfortunately, I have no idea what triggered it, so I can't help anybody out.
Good luck and thanks to all my worthy opponents over the last 7 months!
Geoff
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Phread
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Sun, 19 June 2011 03:39
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Finally made it and just beat a more deserving player to become a Colonel.
I am sorry that I beat gheintze to the Colonel rank by a mere 5 minutes. He deserved to be first.
Of course having got there first can I pull rank on him?
I, too, have no idea of what made the difference.
I am in the midst of a serious form slump. I am ranked below 400 from a career high of 3. I was promoted after my 3rd loss in a row!!
The suggestion that a Lt Col. should win every scenario from both sides (after achieving that rank) may be valid as I recently completed that and gheintze has also done it.
I am actually pleased that exacts steps for this promotion aren't known.
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Sun, 19 June 2011 03:55
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Congratulations to you both! Better men could not have reached the rank first!!
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gheintze
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| Phread wrote on Sat, 18 June 2011 21:39 |
Finally made it and just beat a more deserving player to become a Colonel.
I am sorry that I beat gheintze to the Colonel rank by a mere 5 minutes. He deserved to be first.
Of course having got there first can I pull rank on him?
I, too, have no idea of what made the difference.
I am in the midst of a serious form slump. I am ranked below 400 from a career high of 3. I was promoted after my 3rd loss in a row!!
The suggestion that a Lt Col. should win every scenario from both sides (after achieving that rank) may be valid as I recently completed that and gheintze has also done it.
I am actually pleased that exacts steps for this promotion aren't known.
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Phread, you are too kind and modest. We're apparently just about equally deserving since they were only 5 minutes apart.
I got it after a loss as well. Who knows what it is -- but I find myself not caring after being promoted
Thanks to Jesse also for his kind words.
Geoff
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Sun, 19 June 2011 06:32
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congrats to both P & G for a well-deserved promotion
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sam1812
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Sun, 19 June 2011 06:50
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Congratulations, Geoff and Phread.
Out of curiosity, at the time of your promotion, how many wins, and how many losses, did each of you have as a Lt Colonel (A) against Cadets, and (B) in total?
One sign that a Cadet has been well trained might be his ability to defeat a Lt Colonel.
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, so it seems...
