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Brigadier General - The Race Begins Sat, 14 January 2012 03:40
May the best man win Smile
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Sat, 14 January 2012 09:13
Good luck to everybody gaining this promotion.

I speculate you have to win everything al over again and some more! Very Happy
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Sat, 14 January 2012 11:11
If that is the case (win everything again) then I am well on the way as I have won every standard scenario (including today's 4) from both sides since making Colonel.

I have played (so far) 993 battles as Colonel winning 684 (69%).

The expert is the key word - what does that mean.
Hopefully not get every expert award.

Is it play a certain number of SFTF scenarios - or win a certain number from each side?

I don't know what it means (yet).

[Updated on: Sat, 14 January 2012 11:21]

      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Sat, 14 January 2012 11:17
Phread wrote on Sat, 14 January 2012 14:11


Is it play a certain number of SFTF scenarios - or win a certain number from each side?



I would find this very doubtful since from the start, the Expert Mode (and Solo Mode) games don't count toward the online ranking or achievements! I don't expect that we'll see a change in that policy any time soon. Smile
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Sat, 14 January 2012 16:10
One is half suprised that some of the experten are not there already.

      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Sat, 14 January 2012 19:54
At least I can confirm that 3000+ games and making 10+ scenarios for Expert is NOT the sole requirement...
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Sun, 15 January 2012 00:28
The hard evidence so far:

Brigadier Generals are Experts from all sides.

Suggests something to do with expert mode (I know it has not counted so far, but I don't think it is coincidence that the new rank is released at the same time as the new content and the upgrade to the scenario editor)

My prediction will be that the Expert Scenarios and possibly their design will count, but possibly only scenarios played and designed since the release of the Editor.

From all sides

Note that it says "all" sides, not "both" sides, which suggests that the requirement may have something to do with playing or winning a set ammount as each nationality.

Some of these will be more difficult than others so I suggest Nygard get cracking on some scenarios on the Franco-Alpine campaign of June 1940 because Italians and French will be hard to collect.


No one has got it yet

So no one has already met the requirements.
Obvious enough but needs stating




How many angels can dance on the head of a pin anyway?

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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Sun, 15 January 2012 00:34
Hmm, well there are 9 Axis Nations and 21 Allied nations here.

If I am right in a years time I'll be wandering around asking if anyone has a Slovakia v New Zealand scenario
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Sun, 15 January 2012 03:16
van Voort wrote on Sat, 14 January 2012 19:10

One is half suprised that some of the experten are not there already.




What would be the fun in that?! Remember as you're speculating about each rank...they get progressively harder to earn as you move up the ladder. That means it's not going to be easy for people to get this rank, even if they've played thousands of games (Magnus)! Very Happy

Good luck gentlemen! Cool
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Sun, 15 January 2012 10:35
Do you think that whatever we have done since the last promotion to Colonel/Oberst/Pukovnik stil counts or the scoreboard resets with the time oftherelease of the newrank?
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Sun, 15 January 2012 10:41
I would hope that one's record as a Colonel counts regardless when one gained the rank.
With nearly 1000 standard official games over nearly 7 months as Colonel I hope they count for something (not merely income for DoW).
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Mon, 16 January 2012 15:45
The French clue is more elaborate. It suggests that BG will be "expert" in battling as all nationalities:

Quel que soit le drapeau sous lequel ils combattent, les Généraux de brigade ont prouvé à de nombreuses reprises qu'ils étaient de véritables experts militaires.

This does not suggest that BG candidates will need to author scenarios.

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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Mon, 16 January 2012 15:52
Henry Pelham wrote on Mon, 16 January 2012 18:45

The French clue is more elaborate. It suggests that BG will be "expert" in battling as all nationalities:

Quel que soit le drapeau sous lequel ils combattent, les Généraux de brigade ont prouvé à de nombreuses reprises qu'ils étaient de véritables experts militaires.

This does not suggest that BG candidates will need to author scenarios.


Thanks for the added insight!

I don't think the Brigadier General ranking as much (if anything) to do with the number of battles you've played. I think it's all about getting every one of the Expert achievements! Cool

EDIT: That is, I think you have to get all of the Expert achievements except for the Major Howard award since that was a one-time award. But all the other ones need to be earned (I think). It'll take some serious work to get a few of them (the Air Aces ones) and it will require more detective work as people search for what the Overrun achievement requirements are...plus people will need to pay attention to the Historical dates of battles a bit more. Razz

[Updated on: Mon, 16 January 2012 15:56]

      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Mon, 16 January 2012 16:32
Henry Pelham wrote on Mon, 16 January 2012 15:45

The French clue is more elaborate. It suggests that BG will be "expert" in battling as all nationalities:

Quel que soit le drapeau sous lequel ils combattent, les Généraux de brigade ont prouvé à de nombreuses reprises qu'ils étaient de véritables experts militaires.

This does not suggest that BG candidates will need to author scenarios.


The word expert is present in all languages.
And this rank has been released together with the new editor.

So my guess is that it has to do something with expert scenarios rather than expert achievements.

What about: win X SFTF scenario's for each side of each front.

In the editor, in the second tab, you need to select one of the 4 fronts just as for all scenario's. So this is easy to track. You can also filter those scenario's on that parameter.

I don't know what X is though, but let's start with 1 Wink
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Mon, 16 January 2012 17:35
The expert achievements don't have anything to do with nationalities, and they are a crap shoot. Chasing them would encourage bad behavior, as we have already seen with players and the Aces High award.
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Mon, 16 January 2012 17:39
Quit2 wrote on Mon, 16 January 2012 19:32


The word expert is present in all languages.
And this rank has been released together with the new editor.

So my guess is that it has to do something with expert scenarios rather than expert achievements.

What about: win X SFTF scenario's for each side of each front.

In the editor, in the second tab, you need to select one of the 4 fronts just as for all scenario's. So this is easy to track. You can also filter those scenario's on that parameter.

I don't know what X is though, but let's start with 1 Wink


It's entirely possible that the Expert Mode is what the clue is talking about, but I'm going based on the fact that Expert Battles have never counted toward stats, and I don't see any indication that this has changed.

With the new update there would also 3 new Expert Achievements, and several of the available Achievements still haven't been solved...so my money is on the Expert Achievements being the key!

Having said that, my bets are notoriously bad (just ask my wife who always wins) so you might be right after all. Very Happy
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Mon, 16 January 2012 20:51
Promotions always make you go for something new.

cadet: subscribe to M44 online
2nd lieutennant promotion: play against (and win) real players, not just solo
1st lieutennant promotion: play (and win) both sides, not always the same side
captain promotion: also play (and win) the weaker side
major: play (and win) fellow high ranked players
lt col: play (and win) on more than one front
col: play (and win) on all official scenarios

After we have had all official scenarios, what is left? I'd go with un-official scenarios ...

Promotions are also a way of keeping the game alive.
1) You have to play alot. Therefor, you are available as an opponent for other players
2) You have to teach the game to cadets, therefor newcomers will keep coming back, because even experienced players want to help them

And why not:
3) You have to play fan made scenarios, therefor encouraging people to make good scenarios. If you need to play fanmade scenarios to rank, and no good/new/interesting ones are available, you might make some, creating something new for others too. If you make a scenario, it is nice when people also play that scenario.

So I believe SFTF is the way to go ... and on different fronts, playing with different nations. (are there desert scenarios with the brittish available in expert?)
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Mon, 16 January 2012 20:56
I am with Rasmussen81 on this one, I also feel that expert scenario's have nothing to do with it.

speculations:
Before the rank was published I was going to go for an X nummer of wins on each scenario from each side. (And possibly win each scenario against all ranks, but that I feel can not include cadets. As I feel it would be unfair to "drag" them in to scenario's that are way over their head.)

After letting some computer translate the french to english it says:
Whatever the flag under which they fight, generals of brigade have proven many times that they were genuine military experts.

The many times could suggest that I am right. I think that would mean winning all scenario's from each side for an X number of times. That's what I will be going for this year. And maybe some of next year. Mad Very Happy
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Mon, 16 January 2012 21:28
Quit2 wrote on Mon, 16 January 2012 23:51


So I believe SFTF is the way to go ... and on different fronts, playing with different nations. (are there desert scenarios with the brittish available in expert?)


There's an 'easy' way to find out...some Colonels pursue the Expert Mode route and others go after the Expert Achievements. Granted, there's no way to know what other requirements there might be but this clue seems fairly basic compared to some.

I'm not even to Colonel yet, so I'll have to leave the hunt for others! Good luck to everyone. Cool
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Mon, 16 January 2012 22:53
I'm following the path Jeronimon suggests - multiple sets of wins in all standard scenarios as Colonel.

After enhancing my spreadsheet analysis of my results I have the following
14 scenarios won from both sides once only
14 scenarios won from both sides twice

and so on upto one scenario won from both sides 59 times!! Shocked Laughing Shocked

So am I concentrating on the low numbers, typically having to win from the unfavoured side. Once I have fixed the first 14 I'll then have 28 to get to 3 wins from both sides as Colonel.
If I manage 1 scenario a day that will be 6 weeks of work.

      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 00:29
Phread wrote on Mon, 16 January 2012 21:53

And so on upto one scenario won from both sides 59 times!! Shocked Laughing Shocked



You dream about that one?


Yours truely is still working on filling in the gaps of our knowledge about Colonel Promotion, so while the spearheads head on for the next objective I am engaged in the unglamourous economy of force work involved in mopping up what is left behind and filling in the gaps
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 01:22
I have won one scenario 421 times. Still no general. Maybe 79 to go.
Laughing Laughing Laughing
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 01:35
Helcat is a brigadier it seems. Maybe he knows.
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 01:48
Henry Pelham wrote on Mon, 16 January 2012 09:45

The French clue is more elaborate. It suggests that BG will be "expert" in battling as all nationalities:

Quel que soit le drapeau sous lequel ils combattent, les Généraux de brigade ont prouvé à de nombreuses reprises qu'ils étaient de véritables experts militaires.

This does not suggest that BG candidates will need to author scenarios.

Henry's got my vote. Here's a translation of the French clue, courtesy of Google Translate: "Regardless of the flag under which they fight, Brigadier Generals have proven repeatedly that they were real military experts."

And does it matter that DoW doesn't show you stats on your Expert games? Well...they don't show stats on the number of Cadets you played on your way to making Colonel, either.
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 02:28
Congratulations to Brigadier Helcat the 1st to the new rank.

Sir tell us your secrets please.

(And Sam one can download spreadsheets of a player's expert results.)

[Updated on: Tue, 17 January 2012 02:57]

      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 02:56
I have the analysis of Helcat's results over the standard scenarios
(using his results in the downloadable spreadsheets)

Played 1768 Won 1037 58.65%
Axis 0924 Won 0526 56.93%
Allies 0844 Won 0511 60.55%

western 511
Axis Victory 134
Allies Victory 154

eastern 305
Axis Victory 100
Allies Victory 85

mediterranean 576
Axis Victory 180
Allies Victory 151

pacific 376
Axis Victory 112
Allies Victory 121

If someone knows how to create a table these results would appear nicer)
Scenario-Times Played- As Axis - As Allied- # Wins - Axis Wins - Allied Wins - Pairs of Wins
Escape via the Coastal Road 98 50 48 60 29 31 29
Hellfire Pass 77 38 39 52 23 29 23
Japanese Counterattack 83 44 39 53 22 31 22
The Meat Grinder 75 35 40 51 29 22 22
Ponyri 64 31 33 37 18 19 18
Matanikau River 71 37 34 41 18 23 18
Battle of Warsaw 51 28 23 34 20 14 14
Into the Cauldron 51 27 24 27 14 13 13
Red Barricades Factory 58 28 30 35 13 22 13
Guam Landings 46 27 19 25 12 13 12
Sugar Loaf and Half Moon 41 23 18 27 12 15 12
Operation Cobra 38 20 18 25 11 14 11
Arracourt 37 19 18 22 11 11 11
Dug in at Sidi Omar 59 31 28 30 19 11 11
Montélimar 49 26 23 28 10 18 10
Suomussalmi 31 15 16 21 10 11 10
Twin Villages 49 23 26 24 9 15 9
St Vith 31 16 15 19 11 8 8
Slopes of Mount Austen 30 14 16 18 8 10 8
Juno Beach 26 15 11 18 7 11 7
Tunisia 32 12 20 18 11 7 7
Panzers versus Grants 32 17 15 21 14 7 7
Wake Island 30 17 13 18 11 7 7
Knightsbridge 29 15 14 20 13 7 7
Counter-attack on Mortain 29 15 14 13 7 6 6
Gates of Moscow 32 15 17 18 12 6 6
Mont Mouchet 26 14 12 16 10 6 6
1st Armoured to the rescue 28 14 14 18 12 6 6
Sidi Rezegh Airfield 54 28 26 26 20 6 6
Arnhem Bridge 60 33 27 29 5 24 5
Sainte-Mère-Eglise 30 17 13 16 5 11 5
Flanking Maneuver at Bir Hakeim 28 14 14 16 11 5 5
Pointe-du-Hoc 15 9 6 11 5 6 5
Rzhev 18 10 8 12 7 5 5
Operation Spring 18 10 8 14 9 5 5
Breakout to Lisyanka 30 19 11 15 11 4 4
Saverne Gap 31 19 12 17 14 3 3
Sword Beach 18 12 6 11 8 3 3
Pegasus Bridge 27 15 12 12 3 9 3
Breakout at Klin 19 8 11 11 8 3 3
Toulon 29 16 13 12 2 10 2
Liberation of Paris 24 13 11 13 2 11 2
First Assault Wave 29 16 13 16 14 2 2
Vassieux 12 6 6 6 2 4 2
Gallabat & Metemma 10 7 3 3 2 1 1
Operation Goodwood 2 1 1 2 1 1 1
Gold Beach 4 2 2 2 0 2 0
Carentan Causeway 2 1 1 1 0 1 0
Utah Beach 2 1 1 1 0 1 0


As Colonel Helcat did not win all the new scenarios from both sides (he won one), nor did he win more than once from both sides.

He has more than 300 victories in each theatre.

There was a post about awards being broken - is it possible that Brigadier Helcat's was awarded his rank a few battles after qualifying? If the condition is 300 victories in each theatre this would be the case.

[Updated on: Tue, 17 January 2012 03:18]

      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 03:19
Gold Beach, 17-01,

My infantry troops storm the beaches at Le Hamel. Colonel Silentimo has put up a strong defence line with artilley covering the complete beach. Nowhere are my troops safe for its deadly fire.
Infantry, disembarked at Jig Green, attacks the central artillery with grenades. One is taken out. Also at Le Hamel the fight gained losses at enemy side. The three troops in the centre defend themselves with equal losses on my side. HQ orders to take Le Hamel first. Which succeeds. But fierce firefighting takes out two complete squadrons at my side. Luckily my troops are able to take out the centre artillery post. The enemy strikes back at Item, with minor casualties. Troops are driven back into the sea at Item and Jig Green, but in the centre near Le Hamel a firm beachhead has been founded. Le Hamel is taken by infantry assault and when the radar station has been occupied 2 of the 4 objectives have been reached and the battle won.

My road to Brigadier was a long one, but I haven't got a clue how I got there.

Teaching the game to other players and learning it myself. I have been playing all battles on all sides, against any player. Both in expert and in the normal combats. To promote to brigadier it was not necessary to win the recently released battles on both sides. However I did play them on both sides. I notice that for each of these battles I won at least one game against a colonel. Perhaps that is the trick.

I wish all of you good luck in trying to get your well deserved promotions. And love to meat, beat and be beaten by you on the battlefield.

Kind Regards,

Helcat - Erik


http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/battle/?id=27 815484



P.S. @Phread: Thank you for your remarkably quick response and analysis

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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 05:31
Analysis is easy now as I have a spreadsheet analysing my career.
All I have to do is download a players career and apply the same formulae.

Brigadier Helcat's career (in standard scenarios) as Colonel is
Played 725 Won 467 64.41%
Axis 370 Won 233 62.97%
Allies 355 Won 234 65.92%

western won 105 played 164 won 64.02%
Axis Victory 47 83 56.63%
Allies Victory 58 81 71.60%

eastern won 84 played 136 won 61.76%
Axis Victory 49 71 69.01%
Allies Victory 35 65 53.85%

mediterranean won 125 played 193 won 64.77%
Axis Victory 64 96 66.67%
Allies Victory 61 97 62.89%

pacific won 153 played 232 won 65.95%
Axis Victory 73 120 60.83%
Allies Victory 80 112 71.43%

As Colonel he had not won both sides at

Flanking Maneuver at Bir Hakeim
First Assault Wave
Gallabat & Metemma
Gold Beach
Carentan Causeway
Utah Beach

And won only once at
Saverne Gap
Arnhem Bridge
Juno Beach
Liberation of Paris
Pegasus Bridge
Breakout at Klin
Vassieux
Operation Goodwood

Can anyone see a pattern here?
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 06:18
Helcat has also played a ton of Expert scenarios. 221 games against humans (and hundreds more against Johnny.)

10 or more victories on each side of each of the four fronts -- EXCEPT only 9 Eastern victories as Axis. 70-40 overall as Allies, 71-40 overall as Axis. (3 games were on the same day as his promotion. I didn't check to see whether they were before or after he earned his star.)

(Phread: In my comment them not showing stats, I was referring to the online summary reports, not to the downloadable histories.)
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 07:22
Brigadier Helcat's expert games as Colonel (excluding solo games)

Played 158 Won 102 64.56%
Axis 81 Won 53 65.43%
Allies 77 Won 49 63.64%

western played 72
Axis Victory 25
Allies Victory 22

eastern played 25
Axis Victory 9
Allies Victory 10

mediterranean played 22
Axis Victory 7
Allies Victory 5

pacific played 39
Axis Victory 12
Allies Victory 12
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 08:32
rasmussen81 wrote on Mon, 16 January 2012 20:39

Quit2 wrote on Mon, 16 January 2012 19:32


The word expert is present in all languages.
And this rank has been released together with the new editor.

So my guess is that it has to do something with expert scenarios rather than expert achievements.

What about: win X SFTF scenario's for each side of each front.

In the editor, in the second tab, you need to select one of the 4 fronts just as for all scenario's. So this is easy to track. You can also filter those scenario's on that parameter.

I don't know what X is though, but let's start with 1 Wink


SNIP---

Having said that, my bets are notoriously bad (just ask my wife who always wins) so you might be right after all. Very Happy


It looks like Expert Mode battles are the key to promotion...so it's a good thing I didn't bet anything! Like I said, my bets are notoriously bad. Laughing Cool
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 09:49
Helcat écrit

Gold Beach, 17-01,

My infantry troops storm the beaches at Le Hamel. Colonel Silentimo has put up a strong defence line with artilley covering the complete beach. Nowhere are my troops safe for its deadly fire.
Infantry, disembarked at Jig Green, attacks the central artillery with grenades. One is taken out. Also at Le Hamel the fight gained losses at enemy side. The three troops in the centre defend themselves with equal losses on my side. HQ orders to take Le Hamel first. Which succeeds. But fierce firefighting takes out two complete squadrons at my side. Luckily my troops are able to take out the centre artillery post. The enemy strikes back at Item, with minor casualties. Troops are driven back into the sea at Item and Jig Green, but in the centre near Le Hamel a firm beachhead has been founded. Le Hamel is taken by infantry assault and when the radar station has been occupied 2 of the 4 objectives have been reached and the battle won.

http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/battle/?id=27 815484


Congrats again : I "lived" that promotion live, in the intercourse of our games !!

You don't mention the rematch , with newly promoted General playing axis !

4 "heroism" card were played : first by axis turn 4 : 2 infantries), then one with counter-attack on turn 5 (2 infantries, 1 star and 2 tanks : my tanks were still in the water and it just helped me to get them closer to the beach), one on turn 11 (1 infantry, 2 tanks, 2 stars) and one on last turn, turn 19 (3 infantries).

Strangely, both our games lasted 19 turns.

On turn 19, at 5-3, one of my tank could take Le Hamel, but I had no card on that flank.

The german beach artillerie in the blockhaus remained complete.

Well, congrats again, and see you for a rematch elsewhere (an expert game, maybe !?).

[Updated on: Tue, 17 January 2012 09:50]

      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 14:35
Colonel Silentimo has a point here. He played a very good rematch, making him the first player to beat a Brigadier.

Congrats.

The expert scenarios might be clue here as well as I am trying to play eveyone of them that is published.

[Updated on: Tue, 17 January 2012 14:36]

      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 16:51
Then let's get them expert scenarios (the ones that most usually brought humiliation and defeat to me).
I have won all but the newest official scnarios twice or more on both sides but it isn't what it takes.

Congratulations to General helcat!
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 19:23
That was a quick race that was !
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 20:21
I'm going on a limb here. Could it be the player's skill rating ? Hellcat's is at < 1800.

-Tabou
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 21:15
I have been at 1800 or above many times as a Lt. Col and it didnt make any difference.
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 22:54
stevens écrit le Tue, 17 January 2012 21:15

I have been at 1800 or above many times as a Lt. Col and it didnt make any difference.


Could it be that this is needed after getting to Colonel?
      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Tue, 17 January 2012 22:59
hdescavernes wrote on Wed, 18 January 2012 10:54

stevens écrit le Tue, 17 January 2012 21:15

I have been at 1800 or above many times as a Lt. Col and it didnt make any difference.


Could it be that this is needed after getting to Colonel?


I doubt that it is a players current rating, rather the games a player has played &/or won that counts.

Skill rating can be manipulated. Many Colonels, myself included, play a range of scenarios against a range of opponents often costing us a chance at higher ratings. Many Colonels have at times been ranked >1800 and <1600.


      
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Re:Brigadier General - The Race Begins Wed, 18 January 2012 00:20
hdescavernes wrote on Tue, 17 January 2012 16:54

stevens écrit le Tue, 17 January 2012 21:15

I have been at 1800 or above many times as a Lt. Col and it didnt make any difference.


Could it be that this is needed after getting to Colonel?

I am sorry I mispoke I meant AS A COLONEL.

so toss that idea out the window.
      
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