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Re:Tournament Fri, 28 March 2014 04:32
Yes, I know its against the status quo here not to play a match, but I really see no major flaws in it.

As I stated before...only bid infantry, never art or tanks
Also, as far as set up...you wouldn't waste time- set up the boards, each with a different scenario- have the players rotate to different tables each round- that way there is no resetting of the boards except for the units.

I believe you can get more people to the tournament if the rounds were 1 hr. instead of 2.

I could do a 4-5 round tourney- and then take the top 4 or 8 and do a playoff. I just think rotating boards and bidding would really be fun for people instead of sitting for 2 hrs with the same partner and same scenario. A bid is just as fair as a match play.

As far as having a bad bid against a strong player. I would provide the current stats for the scenario at the table. For example a certain scenario may have a stat of Allies winning 60% of the time. Both players would know this info so that it could assist them on how to bid, how much and where to put the bid.

Again I would keep the rules mentioned in my last post- 3 spaces away from enemy units or medals and on their half of the board and only infantry- no tanks or art bid- those units are too strong and can wack the board out in crazy ways I think.

The bid balances the game and lets the players control that option. It also spices up the strategy as you don't know how much the bid will be and where it will be placed- harder to prepare for which in my opinion is good to find out who the best M44 players are- how well can they handle these on the spot situations- more tactical preparation I believe.

Axis and Allies has been doing this for years in their tourneys. I'm surprised M44 people have not used this. I get the novelty of trying both sides, but in a tournament- the bid balances the setup which in Axis and Allies and in all M44 scenarios is slighted to one side or another.

At any rate, I think the bid system has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I will probably try it when I organize a tourney at some point in the future. I have done some great demos with games in the past and I recently did a couple of Dominion qualifiers that went really well. M44 is my next challenge as far as running a great qualifier though I'm tempted by Ticket to Ride also- both great games.
      
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Re:Tournament Fri, 28 March 2014 05:48
I run the Memoir tournament at a large boardgaming convention where they also have tournaments for several of Memoir's sister games. In some of them, they have used a "bid for choice of sides" system, where the "currency" is that the opponent gets the bid number of free card draws at any time during the game. I believe the rationale is that it allows everyone to play a wider variety of scenarios in a given period of time.

I respect GMs who choose to use that system, but personally, I would not use that in a Memoir tournament.

Among other things, I believe it gives a significant extra advantage to experienced, strong players. Imagine a match at First Assault Wave. The casual player might see all the Allied pieces on the board and bid something to get the "advantage" of all those pieces -- without knowing that the Allies actually lose 80% of the time. Also, his experienced opponent will know how to use extra card draws to greater advantage.

In addition, the less experienced player will have less sense of how much a bid is really worth.

I think 2-game matches are fairer to the players and make for a more interesting tournament.
      
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Re:Tournament Fri, 28 March 2014 19:44
sam1812 wrote on Fri, 28 March 2014 00:48

I run the Memoir tournament at a large boardgaming convention where they also have tournaments for several of Memoir's sister games. In some of them, they have used a "bid for choice of sides" system, where the "currency" is that the opponent gets the bid number of free card draws at any time during the game. I believe the rationale is that it allows everyone to play a wider variety of scenarios in a given period of time.

I respect GMs who choose to use that system, but personally, I would not use that in a Memoir tournament.

Among other things, I believe it gives a significant extra advantage to experienced, strong players. Imagine a match at First Assault Wave. The casual player might see all the Allied pieces on the board and bid something to get the "advantage" of all those pieces -- without knowing that the Allies actually lose 80% of the time. Also, his experienced opponent will know how to use extra card draws to greater advantage.

In addition, the less experienced player will have less sense of how much a bid is really worth.

I think 2-game matches are fairer to the players and make for a more interesting tournament.


Yes the key to having a bid system like this is to have the stat info available for the players at the tourney. If that is not available then I agree with you that matches is the only way to go. If the stats for each scenario is available however then for example, the First Assault Wave, the casual player would know ahead of time that the scenario yields on average an 80% Allied win and therefore would not be deceived by the many pieces on the board.

"free card draws" seems too dicey, bid for infantry units using the rules I suggested earlier would seem to do the trick- balance the scenario without extreme variance that tanks, art or cards can do.

As far as experienced players vs. the casual players goes, the experienced players are going to have an advantage anyway you look at it. It wouldn't matter what system is used. I've run chess tournaments for years, so an M44 tourney by me would look like this:

Match first round randomly, 2nd-4th rounds (or 5th maybe) match by wins etc. just like we do in chess. So if you lose the first couple of games you will be paired with similar strength players with similar records as the tourney goes on. Of course I'm assuming stats for win percentage are available for each scenario at each board and players rotate every 1hr or so. Top eight or four have a playoff- maybe even a match play instead if that's how they do it at the world championships. BTW do they have a World Championship every year??? When???

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Re:Tournament Fri, 28 March 2014 20:35
If there are other things to do where you play your tournament, play offs can be done. If your tournament is the only thing I would prefer playing Swiss rounds (ranking according to points) till the (bitter Wink ) end. Everybody can enjoy that.

I understand at the WBC they play elimination, and there is lots else to do. The Belgium open plays Swiss rounds. And the French open some sort of pool system. I can tell you after the 1st of June. Smile

I think only van Voort and JAZZ have visited all three tournaments, but I could be wrong.
      
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Re:Tournament Fri, 28 March 2014 21:22
http://www.boardgamers.org/

BTW do they have a World Championship every year??? When???


Link above to WBC info, yes, has been held yearly for a while now, never been, but usually during the 1st part of August,

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Re:Tournament Sat, 29 March 2014 12:16
you are right, Van Voort and myself Razz

I like the WBC for having no time limit.

I like the Belgian open as you are sure to play 6 matches and the draw between matches is leveling the top players.

The final played on the big stage is special at the French Open.

I believe they all have their charm, even smaler tournaments i attended are great, and whatever formula used, every player needs skill and luck to win one.

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Re:Tournament Sat, 29 March 2014 14:43
questioneer wrote on Fri, 28 March 2014 14:44

BTW do they have a World Championship every year??? When???

The World Boardgaming Championships (WBC) is not a world championship of Memoir, though I believe we have the largest Memoir tournament in the USA. It's a 9-day gaming convention with over 100 different tournaments. (WBC is descended from Avalon-Hill's Avalon-Con, which IMO gives some legitimacy to the "World" in its name.)

In addition to the Memoir tournament, we'll be playing 6 Overlords (or larger) this year. The official schedule and event previews haven't been published yet, but I've posted a listing at http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/event/details/?id=1545 (Want to play the 6-board mega-game? We'll be doing it.)

There will be a world championship for Memoir Online later this spring, consisting of two champions from the English-speaking Memoir Online League and the top two finishers from the in-progress French "Championnat Officiel OnLine du jeu Mémoir'44" (or "COOL").
      
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Re:Tournament Sun, 30 March 2014 23:52
1. how do you run an M 44 qualifier??? What format do the DoW championships use??? (I don't mean WBC Con).

2.Is there a World Championships like they have for Catan???
      
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Re:Tournament Mon, 31 March 2014 00:30
questioneer wrote on Sun, 30 March 2014 14:52

1. how do you run an M 44 qualifier??? What format do the DoW championships use??? (I don't mean WBC Con).

2.Is there a World Championships like they have for Catan???


I think there is some misunderstanding here. The Memoir '44 tournament at the World Boardgaming Championships (WBC) is just a fun tournament at a convention. There are no qualifier tournaments, it doesn't pit the best of the world against each other like the Ticket to Ride tournament that is coming up, and you just have to sign up at the convention.

There is no tournament system in place for Memoir '44 like that, except for the wonderful tournament being run using the Memoir '44 Online system. And that tournament is truly international with great players from all around the world!

I hope this helps clarify some things. Smile
      
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Re:Tournament Mon, 31 March 2014 21:42
Thanks for the info on that. I realize after playing several games now that you guys are right about the match play in a tourney. I see why it's best now. Thanks.
      
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