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AWT allan
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NC 2017 PLAYOFF Mon, 04 December 2017 04:29
......
.BAM vs RUS... 1,5 : 2,5


4,0 : 2,0 ... ATLeague - Eskender

3,0 : 3,0 ... Allan - Sivorro

2,5 : 3,5 ... Vballman - Stason

1,0 : 5,0 ... Tinman - Lexx


Grats RUS. GL with TGV.

[Updated on: Sun, 10 December 2017 23:25]

      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Mon, 04 December 2017 09:45
My pleasure. Send lineups to me.


Marco
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Mon, 04 December 2017 23:06
BAM vs RUS

ATLeague vs Eskender
allan BAM vs Sivorro
BAM Vballman2 vs Stason
The Tinman vs Lexx


CUT vs TGV

Tenniskasi vs Zil
VolleyTom vs Knockando
Claro vs Nicolas21
Schwen vs LeGoupil

[Updated on: Tue, 05 December 2017 12:03]

      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Tue, 05 December 2017 00:17
They called me also—`yellow fish' was it not?"
"Worm—worm—earth-worm," said Bagheera, "as well as other things which I cannot now say for shame."
"We must remind them to speak well of their master.
Aaa-ssp!"


Sivo - Allan
Sunday, 21-00 cet.

Cu

Smile
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Tue, 05 December 2017 19:55
Volleytom-Knockando

tomorrow wednesday, 20:00 CET
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Tue, 05 December 2017 20:41
and kasi ZiL Thursday 21.00
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Wed, 06 December 2017 15:53
BAM vs RUS 1.5-2.5

ATLeague vs Eskender 4-2
allan BAM vs Sivorro 3-3
BAM Vballman2 vs Stason 2.5-3.5
The Tinman vs Lexx 1-5


CUT vs TGV 1.5 - 2.5

Tenniskasi vs Zil 3-3
VolleyTom vs Knockando 4-2
Claro vs Nicolas21 2-4
Schwen vs LeGoupil 2-4

[Updated on: Mon, 11 December 2017 13:54]

      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Fri, 08 December 2017 21:11
Grats, Lexx! Well done!
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Sat, 09 December 2017 07:03
I did not get any reply from Schwenn to my pm after a few days. CUT team members, can you contact him ? Do you know why he s not answering yet ?
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Sun, 10 December 2017 14:14
LeGoupil écrit le Sat, 09 December 2017 07:03

I did not get any reply from Schwenn to my pm after a few days. CUT team members, can you contact him ? Do you know why he s not answering yet ?



We have a agreement !
Deciding match will be played in 20 min.
I hope some people can see this post and will cheer us up Smile
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Sun, 10 December 2017 15:47
LeGoupil écrit le Sun, 10 December 2017 14:14

LeGoupil écrit le Sat, 09 December 2017 07:03

I did not get any reply from Schwenn to my pm after a few days. CUT team members, can you contact him ? Do you know why he s not answering yet ?



We have a agreement !
Deciding match will be played in 20 min.
I hope some people can see this post and will cheer us up Smile



I won 4 2, with a decisive 6th game.
Sven found tix on last turn, but that was not enough.
Good tix on both sides, nice routes every game, pleasant clash against Sven and CUT in general.

Tatataaaam TGV !
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Sun, 10 December 2017 17:05
Nicolas21-Claro : 4-2
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Sun, 10 December 2017 19:16
Well done TGV. Time for me to channel my inner clutch Nicolas21
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Sun, 10 December 2017 23:32
Grats RUS, well done!

onyx puffin BAM wrote on Wed, 06 December 2017 17:53

CUT vs TGV 1.5 - 2.5

Tenniskasi vs Zil 3-3
VolleyTom vs Knockando 4-2
Claro vs Nicolas21 4-2
Schwen vs LeGoupil 4-2
Something wrong?
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Sun, 10 December 2017 23:46
RUS Sivorro wrote on Tue, 05 December 2017 02:17

They called me also—`yellow fish' was it not?"
"Worm—worm—earth-worm," said Bagheera, "as well as other things which I cannot now say for shame."
"We must remind them to speak well of their master.
Aaa-ssp!"


Sivo - Allan
Sunday, 21-00 cet.

Cu

Smile


3-3

We are in final!!!
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Mon, 11 December 2017 02:04
I'm here from 2014 year and all years tried to make RUS team as strong as possible. We grow up from year to year:
NC 2014: failed group
NC 2015: made PO
NC 2016: semifinal
NC 2017: final

Yes I understood this year less teams than usual. But we have what we have.

In final we will opposite top performers from 2 French teams (champ & taka) but I promise you we will make it as hard as can!

Thank you all my teammates for having opportunity being here in final!

GO RUS GO!!!
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Mon, 11 December 2017 02:59
RUS Sivorro écrit le Sun, 10 December 2017 20:04

I'm here from 2014 year and all years tried to make RUS team as strong as possible. We grow up from year to year:
NC 2014: failed group
NC 2015: made PO
NC 2016: semifinal
NC 2017: final

Yes I understood this year less teams than usual. But we have what we have.

In final we will opposite top performers from 2 French teams (champ & taka) but I promise you we will make it as hard as can!

Thank you all my teammates for having opportunity being here in final!

GO RUS GO!!!


GL TGV

[Updated on: Mon, 11 December 2017 03:00]

      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Mon, 11 December 2017 11:28
So discussing the final first of all I want to say big congrats to our opponents and my buddies Sylvain, Nico, LG and my friend Gilles!

Well deserved with a strong play!

Second I want you to remember:

onyx puffin BAM wrote on Fri, 29 September 2017 22:53

Nations Cup Rules 2017 (adapted from Nations Cup Rules 2016)

...

NEW for 2017
18. Platform details
There is an expectation that a person signing up for this tournament needs to be ready to play on either the java or Steam platform.

It is hoped that players can work out a suitable choice of the platform to be played for their match. Since there are some people who have strong preferences on what platform they prefer to play their match, it is possible that during any match the platform being played could alternate between Steam and java. In such a case where the choice of platform cannot be agreed upon by the players, choice of the platform for the first game therefore goes to the higher seeded player; then each game will proceed alternately on each platform.

If in such a case a player is not willing to play on one of the platforms, then in case of alternating platforms, the player refusing to play on the platform loses that game of which they refuse to play.




Especially for Nico and Sylvain Smile

Line-ups have to be send to my coach and friend Marco Pellini.

Good luck and have fun in final!

cu

Stas

[Updated on: Mon, 11 December 2017 11:29]

      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Mon, 11 December 2017 13:59
I think Nicolas21 has difficulties logging onto steam. We played over 200+ 2p games against each other (likely my most or second most frequent opponent, other being scorps), but a game of Asia map between us has never happened, despite Nico constantly asked me to play Asia, because of such difficulty. I heard in steam we can invite players who never bought the map.

If such rule is enforced, he might need to figure it out. And maybe we can give me some Asia coaching Laughing .
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Mon, 11 December 2017 16:09
So three things:
1. Congrats RUS on the win vs. BAM. (and congrats TGV for getting to finals)

2. Sorry RUS Docent CMEPTb for mix up on score placement, but I got the colors right, and the TGV win right. Sundays I am pressed for time.

3. In two notes directly above, including Allan ("If such rule is enforced, he might need to figure it out.) One way this type of issue has been dealt with in past NC is to have captains decide to place person not willing to play steam in 4th position.
(Before the situation was: player 4 can only play a certain weekend; please captain put someone in position 4 who can play that weekend)
Just saying that could be an option if captains would agree.

[Updated on: Mon, 11 December 2017 16:12]

      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Mon, 11 December 2017 18:18
Beware of Steam and thos RUSsians....it's a total scam!!! Laughing


Stas can also take notice of that rule for his own team. Wink



GOOD LUCK to TGV and RUS!


      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Mon, 11 December 2017 18:37
CIA ommie wrote on Mon, 11 December 2017 12:18

Beware of Steam and thos RUSsians....it's a total scam!!! Laughing


Stas can also take notice of that rule for his own team. Wink



GOOD LUCK to TGV and RUS!





I knew steam is a scam when I played about 15 2p games on steam and I probably got 1 start in total (I didn't started a single time two days ago when I played on Steam). Guys abusing starter button giving themselves the start Smile, or I should buy the lottery..
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Mon, 11 December 2017 20:47
Tie breaker in case of 2-2 12-12 is slot one.

If we think our best chance to win is to put Nico (who can't play steam at all) in slot one, what can happen ?

Something to change in the tie-breaker rule...

[Updated on: Mon, 11 December 2017 20:48]

      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Mon, 11 December 2017 21:44
CIA ommie wrote on Mon, 11 December 2017 20:18

Beware of Steam and thos RUSsians....it's a total scam!!! Laughing


Stas can also take notice of that rule for his own team. Wink



GOOD LUCK to TGV and RUS!






Yesterday after out move to Java Allan was bottled 2 times. He really lucky it was not in the last turns cause he have to accept 1 bot turn. In steam it's impossible.
If he lose this 2 games by bot factor would it fair?!
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Mon, 11 December 2017 21:45
RUS Sivorro wrote on Mon, 11 December 2017 15:44

CIA ommie wrote on Mon, 11 December 2017 20:18

Beware of Steam and thos RUSsians....it's a total scam!!! Laughing


Stas can also take notice of that rule for his own team. Wink



GOOD LUCK to TGV and RUS!






Yesterday after out move to Java Allan was bottled 2 times. He really lucky it was not in the last turns cause he have to accept 1 bot turn. In steam it's impossible.
If he lose this 2 games by bot factor would it fair?!


One time I bot out due to too many apps opened. The other time I intentionally botted then rejoined because I had a legitimate decision.
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Mon, 11 December 2017 21:59
Allan, imagine Smile
Decider game last -1 turn. You botted. Bot does stupid turn. You lose.
By rules all is ok.
Your feeling?
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Tue, 12 December 2017 12:49
There is not a fixed rule about that.

In the past captains mad an agreement for slot 4 for a similar case.

However I fully understand the desire of TGV of having their strongest player in the tie breaker slot.
If the captains do not reach an agreement they can do that.ù


It is a matter of gifting away for sure an advantage in the line-up or fearing that a botting "could" happen.

No rule about this so TGV could make their line-up as they prefer.

[Updated on: Tue, 12 December 2017 12:51]

      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Tue, 12 December 2017 14:08
Who is the strongest TGV player?
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Tue, 12 December 2017 14:45
Stason écrit le Tue, 12 December 2017 14:08

Who is the strongest TGV player?


Why don't we do the following ?
The player (if only one) in RUS that can only play steam puts himself on 4th spot Razz

In TGV we can all play java, and some can play steam to accommodate this special need, but not all.

      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Tue, 12 December 2017 15:07
We don't have a player which is able to play on one particular platform only. We did proof that in this tournament already. We can all play both, we just want the game to be fair, without those ridicolous "1 bot turn is ok" rules. The final must be played with absolutely random pairs, thats what I am 100% sure about. Without those special 4th places for special players.

[Updated on: Tue, 12 December 2017 15:12]

      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Tue, 12 December 2017 15:17
Stason écrit le Tue, 12 December 2017 15:07

We don't have a player which is able to play on one particular platform only. We did proof that in this tournament already. We can all play both, we just want the game to be fair, without those ridicolous "1 bot turn is ok" rules. The final must be played with absolutely random pairs, thats what I am 100% sure about. Without those special 4th places for special players.


My opinion on that : I do not think it is necessary to play on steam at all.
We would lose most spectators and playing on steam does not add much value. The "botted player" case you mention is very marginal.
Remember, we play TTR for fun, and the tournaments have always been played with respect of each other.
If one gets botted out, it is up to the players to decide.

One example in this NC is my game against Fainaz : server crashed (that can happen on any platform). I asked him his tix, to confirm he had sure win, and gave the game up. The game was never recorded or played to end, but it really does not matter.

There is no reason that we cannot accommodate an event that might occur during final.
Worst case, some random event disturbs the already random execution of games. It's really just a game, we had fun so far in the tournament and get to play another exciting clash, we are both winners.
There is no reason to complicate things by having some new and convoluted steam requirement.

[Updated on: Tue, 12 December 2017 15:21]

      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Tue, 12 December 2017 15:31
I thought most players,who is/was interested in playing/watching NC did install steam and tried to play it, just didn't love it.

You sound like a top sportment: "Guys we do it for you, our spectators, if not you nothing of this would be possible...blahblahblah" Smile)))

And that comes from a guy who plays his decisive half-final match without an ad, after post at the very final moment at the forum, without spectators. You really care about specs so much, I mean honestly?

Who really does want to watch games but not able to do this?? Is that really a problem? Would be great to make a pole somehow.

Of course Im ready to compromise, if we really loose the majority of the specs, as you say, I just don't believe this is the case at the moment.

[Updated on: Tue, 12 December 2017 15:50]

      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Tue, 12 December 2017 17:02
Stason écrit le Tue, 12 December 2017 15:31

I thought most players,who is/was interested in playing/watching NC did install steam and tried to play it, just didn't love it.

You sound like a top sportment: "Guys we do it for you, our spectators, if not you nothing of this would be possible...blahblahblah" Smile)))

And that comes from a guy who plays his decisive half-final match without an ad, after post at the very final moment at the forum, without spectators. You really care about specs so much, I mean honestly?

Who really does want to watch games but not able to do this?? Is that really a problem? Would be great to make a pole somehow.

Of course Im ready to compromise, if we really loose the majority of the specs, as you say, I just don't believe this is the case at the moment.



Thanks for your note. I confirm I was happy to play with Schwen with little anticipation as we managed to find good compromise given our challenging constraints. Of course it is better when it can be played with people watching.

I gave my opinion, that's it. Our captains and TD will take the best decision based on experience and opinions expressed by the community.
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Tue, 12 December 2017 17:03
There is nothing to discuss at this stage to be honest. Rules are the rules. Let's just have a fair random draw and we won't get any platform-related issues probably.
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Tue, 12 December 2017 18:25
If you think NC is not about spectators, then you know nothing of its history nor how fun it's been.

If you have never chatted on skype with other players while watching an NC match, you've totally missed out. NC has been the most important tournament on ttr and spectators have been a big part of it. I realize there are players who don't like to observe games and that's too bad.

Sysy and I have been disappointed with the Steam experience. For long time players, Steam just doesn't match our expectations. I understand the bot issue. If Steam were a perfect upgrade, there would be no platform discussion.


Sounds like TGV and RUS can just submit their lineups and go with what is selected. Smile


      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Tue, 12 December 2017 18:58
yeah yeah, poor me never chatted in skype. but thats not about me and what i like or not. not about you and sysy also.

what i did ask is can you observe games on steam if you want to? or you'd like to but didn't get steam? you cant both skype and watch the game on steam, thats the issue?

[Updated on: Tue, 12 December 2017 19:01]

      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Tue, 12 December 2017 19:44
Java environment is easier to manage together with Skype than Steam.

More important: the observe function was faulty in last NC. This is the part that Ommie addresses. I didn't try it in later upgrades, but in the patch notes there weren't remrks about the observe function.

NC is all about observe the other games. That is the reason for which closed games are forbidden. We thought about playing closed when cheating was a big trouble but went other ways because keeping games open and observable was crucial.

Single competitions are a different topic but team competitions developed on building team spirit through skype chatrooms where we discussed games live while observing.

In any case this is not of big importance, because the real future lies in developing more the players pool of the Steam lobby.


A Postscriptum:

The big falldown was that we were the beta-testers of the Steam version a couple of years ago and we were not aware that the two lobbies would heave been divided creating a rift between the players (nice communication Laughing ) .
That was the final straw: DOW members always saw online competitions as an afterthought and they progressed without their direct help. When we tried to collaborate with them nothing happened of relevant.
We felt betrayed by the lack of communication that practically killed what the TTR competitions were online. We just needed a warning about what they were thinking of doing. Now we are just living a shadow of before Razz
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Tue, 12 December 2017 22:41
I personally think that the result will ne more reliable and much less depend on chance, if we play the final on 6 boards...
Or, even better, on 8 boards Smile)))
And at least 2 games on each board - chess Smile))
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Wed, 13 December 2017 00:51
RUS Eskender écrit le Tue, 12 December 2017 22:41

I personally think that the result will ne more reliable and much less depend on chance, if we play the final on 6 boards...
Or, even better, on 8 boards Smile)))
And at least 2 games on each board - chess Smile))


I'm ok for the chess games. I'd also suggest a duplicate IMP bridge match and a very deep stack poker with 10/20€ blinds. We could also add some go to the mix.
      
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Re:NC 2017 PLAYOFF Wed, 13 December 2017 03:58
Qorlas wrote on Tue, 12 December 2017 13:44

Java environment is easier to manage together with Skype than Steam.

More important: the observe function was faulty in last NC. This is the part that Ommie addresses. I didn't try it in later upgrades, but in the patch notes there weren't remrks about the observe function.


I am sorry this line has developed about Steam versus java. Both are needed in the community, so let us move forward.

But let me say one thing about the observe feature on Steam: I have had it stick where allan and sivorro were playing. It occurred when each spent more than a minute thinking about their move. They had moved forward, and I was stuck watching a clock say it was someone's turn. I was fortunately watching with skype on with khup, and he told me a play had happened. I had to leave and come back to see more action.
So yes the observable feature is still a problem with bugs in it on skype.

BUT also, I will tell you for that match, some 8 people were observing from steam lobby.

[Updated on: Wed, 13 December 2017 03:59]

      
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