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dea1
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Is competitive TTR a man's world? Sun, 25 November 2007 21:59
Last night during our NC party
... some time between Champagne and Sangria ...
it occurred to us that AT was the only team with 'perfect gender balance' (3/3, the ladies even played more games than the men).
Strangely enough we couldn't agree whether we won because or in spite of that Laughing

Today
... some time between lots of coffee and orange juice ...
I still had the feeling that the percentage of female tops and tournament participants is pretty low.

So it would be interesting to know
*) do the stats experts have some data for comparison (eg. top 100 players, tournament results, maybe also forum contributions ...)
*) and can the psychology experts explain these data?

I'm looking forward to interesting and serious comments
(Hey guys - of course I'm aware that such a topic invites trash talk. If you absolutely can't help it - write it (before you break your keyboard or your fingers Twisted Evil ))
      
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Re:Is competitive TTR a man's world? Sun, 25 November 2007 22:34
hi dea, maybe you've shown us what we did wrong and why we didn't get to the final Shocked

even though we had a fairly even balance in the team (that could be the reason we at least got to the semi's Cool) with 5 males and 4 females, in the end the boys played 26 matches and the girls "only" 19.

i might add that the boys won 16 out of 26 (61,54%) and the girls 13 of 19 (68,42%) so it is finally clear why we didn't win ......
      
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Re:Is competitive TTR a man's world? Mon, 26 November 2007 01:05
Playing some kind of team tournament, Men vs Women, in the spirit of the Ryder's Cup, would certainly be interesting.
      
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Re:Is competitive TTR a man's world? Mon, 26 November 2007 01:28
kolmogorov schrieb am Mon, 26 November 2007 01:05

Playing some kind of team tournament, Men vs Women, in the spirit of the Ryder's Cup, would certainly be interesting.


other idea, playing some kind of ..., men with women Wink
ok ok, i run ... Wink

Pirate
      
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Re:Is competitive TTR a man's world? Mon, 26 November 2007 07:17
a wise woman ponders:

So it would be interesting to know
*) do the stats experts have some data for comparison (eg. top 100 players, tournament results, maybe also forum contributions ...)



nope.

Not everyone checks that box, and I'm not sure I trust everyone that does, given one player who has had many accounts crossing the sexes. I do know that there are many excellent female players. Off the top of my head, I can think of horo, maia, nanni, womble, carina, nayeli, ww, Karin, U - 32, rocketblizzard, nicole, zelina and my own teammate dizz (I sure hope I haven't misidentified any of those). This is in addition to the 3 from your team and the 4 from SOS, and I am sure I missed many more, especially on Catalunya, which I think was split 5-4. That puts females at about 1/5th to 1/3rd. My guess is that this would be slightly higher than the general TtR population, so women must have something going for them (or perhaps it is just the lack of certain sausagey habits).

It is widely asserted that men are statistically better at spatial skills, thus explaining their (slight) advantage in math, but a lot of that is the three and four-dimensional analysis required to hit something that might be moving with a thrown spear. That might not pertain to the two-dimensional graphs that are the basis for TtR. We also have bigger muscles, are taller, have more body hair, deeper voices and testosterone aplenty. This might explain some of our forum posts, but doesn't seem to give a decided advantage.

What women might have going for them are social skills. I assume that many good male players have spent a little bit of time on the game, achieving good, but not remarkable play, and then have moved on. Once the game gets to be predictable, once the learning curve flattens out, once the thrill of discovery slackens, I imagine a lot of the men find something else to do. The fleeting friendships they formed are discarded. Women might stick around longer, for the sake of friendships, and learn to appreciate that their game is still improving. Perhaps not in leaps and bounds, but perceptibly over time.

And then there is the notion of team-building. On my team I had the most posts, Baron had his presence, onyx was captain, vballman was the surprise and wasser was the star, but dizz was the glue which held us together. Men get crazy and self-destructive when separated from women. On an unrelated note, a group of men not in the company of women would be unlikely to celebrate with Champagne and Sangria, but cheers anyway.

      
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Re:Is competitive TTR a man's world? Mon, 26 November 2007 15:02
Hi

Before i begin i have to disclaim that this is a complex topic and there may be some language problems with the correct terminology (at least it has something to do with gender specific science and social and politics science).

I think there are some differences between men and women, but most of them are not "natural" or are not coming from the "genes" (Zeno gave already the biological differences). They are a product of human socialization over a period of thousands of years. It's hard to proof anything beyond human history of - let's say - 6000 years and using great apes as a reference might not the best idea either... However, i am an fan of empirical facts. It doesn't matter WHY it so or IF this is a good thing or not, sometimes things are like they are.

And so i think that most computer and/or games related things are "dominated" by men. They tend to take competition more serious and play for fame/money (TTR only fame). I spoke with a lot of women concerning the website of TTR and playing in tournaments, playing for a world ranking and so on and most of them were not interested to begin playing or even looking at the site (a lot more men do this!). I have to add that these women are gamers and not the "soft gamers" type. They think this is a time consuming SENSELESS hobby and back from their mind the phrase "men are children" was already visible on their faces ...

Men are fanatics. Women not. Of course we have a lot of exceptions, but i am pretty sure if you compare rankings, forum posts and other activities the men are always dominating.

More men than women:
Number Ones
Top 100 players
Forum posts
TTR related web sites or blogs or reviews
Selfmade Maps
Captains of teams

Again, that doesn't mean that this is "natural". It also doesn't mean that men play better.

Okay, and now the trash talk: Forget everything i wrote, of course "we" are the better players and "we" should proof it everytime with a men/women tournament
Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:Is competitive TTR a man's world? Mon, 26 November 2007 18:49
Disclaimer : I am a female chauvinist. IMHO, females are just better than males in general ; cf. [1]. That may explain why there are so many specific domains nowadays, with an insistence on particular points.

As an example of particulars, here is an interesting article [2], entitled **Women Are Chokers**. Since the data from this year's final does not seem to confirm this study, we can only conclude that TTR, even in the macho USA-two-players' variant, is a game of luck more than a game of skill.

And since we all know that women are luckier than men, as we know that reality has a liberal bias, that may explain why there are much more ladies interested in TTR than a normal strategy game, like chess for example.

[1] http://www.saint-andre.com/journal/1996-03-03.html
[2] http://www.slate.com/id/2159145?nav=ais

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Re:Is competitive TTR a man's world? Mon, 26 November 2007 19:54
erps schrieb am Mon, 26 November 2007 15:02


"we" are the better players and "we" should proof it everytime with a men/women tournament
Rolling Eyes


Don't dream it - do it Twisted Evil

In case you don't know how to organize tournaments, ask erps Laughing
      
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Re:Is competitive TTR a man's world? Tue, 27 November 2007 17:39
erps schrieb am Mon, 26 November 2007 15:02


Okay, and now the trash talk: Forget everything i wrote, of course "we" are the better players and "we" should proof it everytime with a men/women tournament



No trash talk anymore, just a match man vs women...
Best of 31, friday at 20:30 CET (8:30 pm).
Teaching some basics.... Twisted Evil

sebbo vs dea
      
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Re:Is competitive TTR a man's world? Tue, 27 November 2007 17:58
Hi

Buh_rune schrieb am Tue, 27 November 2007 08:22


Perhaps you should talk more to your imaginary girlfriend than you do to this community.



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bye, erps
      
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Re:Is competitive TTR a man's world? Fri, 30 November 2007 00:38
erps wrote on Mon, 26 November 2007 08:02

Of course we have a lot of exceptions, but i am pretty sure if you compare rankings, forum posts and other activities the men are always dominating.


This is the one I find most interesting. My gut tells me if we were all in a room together IRL, that the women would out-talk the men by a longshot, but it's obvious the xy's feel more comfortable communicating in this venue.

Maybe I will post more meaningless drivel more often to weight it more to the xx side. Twisted Evil

-dizz
      
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Re:Is competitive TTR a man's world? Fri, 30 November 2007 11:12
sorry

[Mis à jour le: Sun, 02 December 2007 01:12]

      
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Re:Is competitive TTR a man's world? Fri, 30 November 2007 14:17
You're looking forward to be banned, Baron.
      
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Re:Is competitive TTR a man's world? Fri, 30 November 2007 19:18
I wonder if it is possible for DoW to ban his ISP or something? I'd still play him (I guess) if whatever account he uses is rated high enough, but these forum games with this guy get so old, I barely even keep up with the forums anymore, and honestly one major reason is because of this! He needs serious help, and none of us here can give it.
      
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Re:Is competitive TTR a man's world? Sat, 01 December 2007 03:01
sebbo schrieb am Tue, 27 November 2007 17:39



No trash talk anymore, just a match man vs women...
Best of 31, friday at 20:30 CET (8:30 pm).
Teaching some basics.... Twisted Evil

sebbo vs dea


Sorry ladies ...

I'm among the female top performers in writing forum posts ...
... but unfortunately not in playing Sad

sebbo won 16-10
Grats opponent!
      
    
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